On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 04:55:11 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Nothing special required, just use the best
detergents which don't even cost anymore.

The only thing YOU are required to do is to swallow your Nembutal! What did
you buy it for anyway, bigmouth?

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"JohnP" wrote in message
. ..


Aye, they don't seem to be the most reliable of machines and there is
all the faffing about loading, unloading, powders, rinse aid, salt
etc. OK I think you can get "all in one" pods these days but I guess
the salt requirement is still there.


We use 3 in 1 tablets - the Salt and Rinse Aid settings / warnings are
turned off in the settings. Siemens. Had it for about 8 years.

No faf - wash the filter about once a week.

I don’t do it anything like that often and I don’t
do anything to the stuff that goes in the dishwasher
except know chop bones off into the bin first.

Fred wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

See also recent dishwasher video(s) by the "Technology Connections"
youtube channel

Interesting the big differences between north american
and european dishwashers. I have never seen a dishwasher
with a prewash detergent dispenser and I have been using
dishwashers since the very early 70s and we dont connect
our dishwashers to the hot water supply.

The reason we dont do that is because the initial prewash
works better with cold water because it doesnt bake some
stuff on to the plates in the first pre wash. And dishwashers
use so little hot water and need to heat the water to much
more than the normal hot water supply anyway.

I have only watched his rant about detergent packs
so far and he is just plain wrong about them. I have
never had any problem with a perfect result every
time and have only ever used detergent with
the big rectangular things of detergent.

I don't have a dishwasher, and have only ever loaded my parents one a
couple of times, I thought UK ones did have a pre-wash compartment
(little spring-loaded cover)

I seemed to make sense that it'd do a first wash with one load of
water+detergent, get the main filth off, then drain it and do the same
with fresh water and detergent, rather than just spray dilutde pasta
sauce all over the other contents ... the internals put me off using one
TBH.

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Fred wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

See also recent dishwasher video(s) by the "Technology Connections"
youtube channel

Interesting the big differences between north american
and european dishwashers. I have never seen a dishwasher
with a prewash detergent dispenser and I have been using
dishwashers since the very early 70s and we don‘t connect
our dishwashers to the hot water supply.

The reason we don‘t do that is because the initial prewash
works better with cold water because it doesn‘t bake some
stuff on to the plates in the first pre wash. And dishwashers
use so little hot water and need to heat the water to much
more than the normal hot water supply anyway.

I have only watched his rant about detergent packs
so far and he is just plain wrong about them. I have
never had any problem with a perfect result every
time and have only ever used detergent with
the big rectangular things of detergent.

I don't have a dishwasher, and have only ever loaded my parents one a
couple of times, I thought UK ones did have a pre-wash compartment
(little spring-loaded cover)

I seemed to make sense that it'd do a first wash with one load of
water+detergent, get the main filth off, then drain it and do the same
with fresh water and detergent, rather than just spray dilutde pasta
sauce all over the other contents ... the internals put me off using one
TBH.

We've been married for nearly 58 years. One of the first things my new
bride wanted was a dishwashwer. We've had a number over the years. I've
never seen a prewash detergent compartment. Our current one has a
compartment for theb detergent which it releases partway into the cycle, so
the prewash is with plain water.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

"alan_m" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.

It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale.

Thats what I meant he should do.

It's much like people recommending a brand that they purchased 20 years
ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly only for them) then this
is the one to go for. They tend to forget that during this period the
brand has been sold on few times and the design changed 10 times.

When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who actually
owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are manufactured
in the same factories.

But plenty have cheap and nasty brands and
better ones coming out of the same factory.

Also take a good look at the facilities you use on your current machine.
Is it worth paying a couple of hundred quid more for a machine with tens
of extra wizzy-wizz gimmicky features that you would never use?

With modern designs, a clive points out, the
extra stuff doesnt always cost any more.

And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Fred wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:
See also recent dishwasher video(s) by the "Technology Connections"
youtube channel

Interesting the big differences between north american
and european dishwashers. I have never seen a dishwasher
with a prewash detergent dispenser and I have been using
dishwashers since the very early 70s and we dont connect
our dishwashers to the hot water supply.

The reason we dont do that is because the initial prewash
works better with cold water because it doesnt bake some
stuff on to the plates in the first pre wash. And dishwashers
use so little hot water and need to heat the water to much
more than the normal hot water supply anyway.

I have only watched his rant about detergent packs
so far and he is just plain wrong about them. I have
never had any problem with a perfect result every
time and have only ever used detergent with
the big rectangular things of detergent.

I don't have a dishwasher, and have only ever loaded my parents one a
couple of times, I thought UK ones did have a pre-wash compartment (little
spring-loaded cover)

The Bosches dont anymore and havent for quite a while now.

I seemed to make sense that it'd do a first wash with one load of
water+detergent, get the main filth off, then drain it and do the same
with fresh water and detergent,

Yes, thats why they did at one time have a separate
pre wash detergent dispenser. Turns out it works fine
without one doing the first prewash with no detergent.

rather than just spray dilutde pasta sauce all over the other contents ...

The ones without a separate pre wash
detergent dispenser dont do that, they still
have a pre wash, but with no detergent.

the internals put me off using one TBH.

More fool you. They get what you put in them much
cleaner than you will ever do by hand. Absolutely
gleaming, something you will never manage by hand.

Much less effort and less water and electricity too.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:09:06 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


That¢s what I meant he should do.

NOBODY in his right mind gives a **** what you mean or meant, senile
trolling piece of ****!

--
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"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 05:33:43 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


I don¢t do it anything like that often and I don¢t
do anything to

NOBODY asked you what you do or don't do, trolling senile ****head!

--
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"That¢s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is
nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse
and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******."
Message-ID:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 06:27:55 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread


--
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"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
MID:

Fred wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The ones without a separate pre wash
detergent dispenser dont do that, they still
have a pre wash, but with no detergent.

I wouldn't know the difference between pre-wash compartments, main "pod"
compartment, rinse-aid compartment

the internals put me off using one TBH.

More fool you. They get what you put in them much
cleaner than you will ever do by hand.

I do notice that my glassware is always way cleaner than everybody who
uses a dishwasher. Truth is I've never had room for one, but I'm sure
I'll buy one once I move ...

After serious thinking misterroy wrote :

How does the flow meter tell how much water is in there?

or I am barking up the wrong tree?

It's usually a very sensitive diaphragm switch. A flexible pipe leads
up to the switch, from the lowest part where the water goes, which
works on air pressure. The tiny amount of pressure operates a rubber
diaphragm, which then operates a pair of contacts. If you blow gently
in the bottom end of the pipe, you should hear the switch click.

What happens is the pipe gets choked with food debris, so no longer
senses the rising water level.

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
Fred wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

The ones without a separate pre wash
detergent dispenser dont do that, they still
have a pre wash, but with no detergent.

I wouldn't know the difference between pre-wash compartments, main "pod"
compartment, rinse-aid compartment

the internals put me off using one TBH.

More fool you. They get what you put in them much
cleaner than you will ever do by hand.

I do notice that my glassware is always way cleaner than everybody who
uses a dishwasher.

You clearly dont know anyone with a proper
dishwasher who uses the best detergent.

Truth is I've never had room for one, but I'm sure I'll buy one once I
move ...

On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:01:56 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

Have you lived at St. Albans?

SWMBO had a town house there. Easy life, short walk to a large
supermarket and into the town center. Switched 20+ years ago to
slighly more challenging life at 1400' on the North Pennines and an
hours walk to the nearest small rural town/supermarket.

Lying snow for the last three days, only 5 hours above freezing
today. Not quite had a ice day this winter, the 28th was close
though.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 09:18:56 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


I do notice that my glassware is always way cleaner than everybody who
uses a dishwasher.

You clearly don¢t know anyone with a proper
dishwasher who uses the best detergent.

Do everyone the favour and shove your dishwasher up your senile arse, senile
****head!

--
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"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

See also recent dishwasher video(s) by the "Technology Connections"
youtube channel

+1
I've been using half a cheap Lidl tablet for a while (very soft
water here) Now I sometimes chuck the other half into the tub
to improve the pre-wash.

--

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On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.
Utter ********

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12
at low power.

No digits required

--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.

Utter ********

We'll see...

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12 at
low power.

No digits required

But doing that with a single setting of a digital microwave is much
more convenient than having to do it twice in a dinosaur microwave.

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.
Utter ********

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12
at low power.

No digits required

Or poaching an egg in a plastic container, 1min. 50 secs. on simmer.

Leaves time to get the toast done.


--
Tim Lamb

In message l.net,
Dave Liquorice writes
On Wed, 30 Dec 2020 14:01:56 +0000, Tim Lamb wrote:

Have you lived at St. Albans?

SWMBO had a town house there. Easy life, short walk to a large
supermarket and into the town center. Switched 20+ years ago to
slighly more challenging life at 1400' on the North Pennines and an
hours walk to the nearest small rural town/supermarket.

Locally known as the Gorilla's armpit of the South East!

My sister ran a fruit and veg. stall there for 40 years.

Lying snow for the last three days, only 5 hours above freezing
today. Not quite had a ice day this winter, the 28th was close
though.
No wind, light frost overnight. I'm waiting for some dry weather so I
can annoy the off road cyclists with hedge trimmings:-)


--
Tim Lamb

On 31/12/2020 08:49, Fred wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.

Utter ********

We'll see...

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12
at low power.

No digits required

But doing that with a single setting of a digital microwave is much
more convenient than having to do it twice in a dinosaur microwave.


I bet it takes you longer to code that in that it does for me to come
back when it pings and reset the dials

You can do it 20 mins at 1/3d power instead. If resetting a dial
halfway through is too much for your pointy head


Oddly enough when I cook rice, its because I am cooking something lese
already to go with it that probably needs attention

Does yoor normal oven have te ability to start a roast hard to crisp te
skin then turn itself down to tenderise the meat futrherr without drying
it to a shredded inebible mush

All you do is prove that digital microwaves are for people who cant cook



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twenty-first centurys developed world went into hysterical panic over a
globally average temperature increase of a few tenths of a degree, and,
on the basis of gross exaggerations of highly uncertain computer
projections combined into implausible chains of inference, proceeded to
contemplate a rollback of the industrial age.

Richard Lindzen

On Thu, 31 Dec 2020 19:49:11 +1100, Fred, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Utter ********

We'll see...

We'll see you trolling on these groups like there was no tomorrow, you
disgusting 86-year-old trolling senile pest!

--
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"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
MID:

On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?


--
mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.

"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.
Utter ********

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12 at
low power.

No digits required

Or poaching an egg in a plastic container, 1min. 50 secs. on simmer.

But its much more convenient to select poached
egg or rice and not have to remember the detail.

And with a ready meal, just scan the barcode.

Leaves time to get the toast done.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 31/12/2020 08:49, Fred wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.

Utter ********

We'll see...

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12
at low power.

No digits required

But doing that with a single setting of a digital microwave is much
more convenient than having to do it twice in a dinosaur microwave.

I bet it takes you longer to code that in that it does for me to come back
when it pings and reset the dials

You have just lost your bet. In spades when you
select rice on the screen and thats all you do.

You can do it 20 mins at 1/3d power instead.

But its much more convenient to just select
rice on the screen than to remember the times.

Oddly enough when I cook rice, its because I am cooking something lese
already to go with it that probably needs attention

It doesnt for me with lots of the meals with rice.

Does yoor normal oven have te ability to start a roast hard to crisp te
skin then turn itself down to tenderise the meat futrherr without drying
it to a shredded inebible mush

The total system does allow me to select roast and weigh
the joint and starts when it needs to to have the roast
ready to plate at the time I choose to eat. And does that
multi phase stuff auto too. Better to have the higher temp
in the last phase, not the first. And the potatoes are done
in a separate air fryer for better roast potatoes. All the
work except plating done at the one time and the system
tells you that its time to carve and plate it.

All you do is prove that digital microwaves are for people who cant cook

Bull****. Its the most convenient way
to do rice and zap the frozen veg.

On 31/12/2020 16:40, Fred wrote:


"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.
Utter ********

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then
12 at low power.

No digits required

Or poaching an egg in a plastic container, 1min. 50 secs. on simmer.

But its much more convenient to select poached
egg or rice and not have to remember the detail.

Only for people who are too stupid to cook

And with a ready meal, just scan the barcode.

QED

Leaves time to get the toast done.




--
€œPuritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.€�

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

On 31/12/2020 16:52, Fred wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 31/12/2020 08:49, Fred wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.

Utter ********

We'll see...

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then
12 at low power.

No digits required

But doing that with a single setting of a digital microwave is much
more convenient than having to do it twice in a dinosaur microwave.

I bet it takes you longer to code that in that it does for me to come
back when it pings and reset the dials

You have just lost your bet. In spades when you
select rice on the screen and thats all you do.

You can do it 20 mins at 1/3d power instead.

But its much more convenient to just select
rice on the screen than to remember the times.

Oddly enough when I cook rice, its because I am cooking something lese
already to go with it that probably needs attention

It doesnt for me with lots of the meals with rice.

Does yoor normal oven have te ability to start a roast hard to crisp
te skin then turn itself down to tenderise the meat futrherr without
drying it to a shredded inebible mush

The total system does allow me to select roast and weigh
the joint and starts when it needs to to have the roast
ready to plate at the time I choose to eat. And does that
multi phase stuff auto too. Better to have the higher temp
in the last phase, not the first. And the potatoes are done
in a separate air fryer for better roast potatoes. All the
work except plating done at the one time and the system
tells you that its time to carve and plate it.

All you do is prove that digital microwaves are for people who cant cook

Bull****. Its the most convenient way
to do rice and zap the frozen veg.

As I said, you dont know how to cook



--
€œPuritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.€�

H.L. Mencken, A Mencken Chrestomathy

"misterroy" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?

My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.

What are the two model numbers ?

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 31/12/2020 16:40, Fred wrote:


"Tim Lamb" wrote in message
...
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.
Utter ********

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12
at low power.

No digits required

Or poaching an egg in a plastic container, 1min. 50 secs. on simmer.

But its much more convenient to select poached
egg or rice and not have to remember the detail.

Only for people who are too stupid to cook

This from the fella who is too stupid to answer
an incoming call on a mobile phone or use a
digital microwave to heat something.

And with a ready meal, just scan the barcode.

QED

Nope, thats a tiny subset of the food eaten.

Leaves time to get the toast done.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 31/12/2020 16:52, Fred wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 31/12/2020 08:49, Fred wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 30/12/2020 19:09, Fred wrote:
And someone may suggest a better way
of cooking rice, in a microwave instead
of in a pan on the stove and if you dont
have a decent digital microwave you
wont be able to use it to do rice better.

Utter ********

We'll see...

I just do three minutes at full power to get the water hot and then 12
at low power.

No digits required

But doing that with a single setting of a digital microwave is much
more convenient than having to do it twice in a dinosaur microwave.

I bet it takes you longer to code that in that it does for me to come
back when it pings and reset the dials

You have just lost your bet. In spades when you
select rice on the screen and thats all you do.

You can do it 20 mins at 1/3d power instead.

But its much more convenient to just select
rice on the screen than to remember the times.

Oddly enough when I cook rice, its because I am cooking something lese
already to go with it that probably needs attention

It doesnt for me with lots of the meals with rice.

Does yoor normal oven have te ability to start a roast hard to crisp te
skin then turn itself down to tenderise the meat futrherr without drying
it to a shredded inebible mush

The total system does allow me to select roast and weigh
the joint and starts when it needs to to have the roast
ready to plate at the time I choose to eat. And does that
multi phase stuff auto too. Better to have the higher temp
in the last phase, not the first. And the potatoes are done
in a separate air fryer for better roast potatoes. All the
work except plating done at the one time and the system
tells you that its time to carve and plate it.

All you do is prove that digital microwaves are for people who cant cook

Bull****. Its the most convenient way
to do rice and zap the frozen veg.

As I said, you dont know how to cook

How odd that I can do everything from a roast leg of
lamb to curry, xmas cake, marmalade, relish, steak etc
etc etc and even get real radical and work out how
to answer an incoming call on a mobile phone too.

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:34:18 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.
What are the two model numbers ?
I have spent the last 10 minutes digging through my saved ebay searches, the good model is not there, it would be seven years old now. Mine is 6 years old. Still waiting for it to clean dishes.

"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:34:18 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget
that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a
couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.
What are the two model numbers ?

I have spent the last 10 minutes digging through my
saved ebay searches, the good model is not there,

Why cant you get the model numbers off the physical machines ?

On Boschs the model number is usually on the
top of the door edge when the door is opened.

"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:34:18 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget
that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the
design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a
couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.
What are the two model numbers ?

I have spent the last 10 minutes digging through my
saved ebay searches, the good model is not there,

Why cant you get the model numbers off the physical machines ?

On Boschs the model number is usually on the
top of the door edge when the door is opened.

Sorry, on the right hand edge of the door when open
https://microsites.boschappliances.c...20right%20side.

On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 10:51:37 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:34:18 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget
that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the
design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a
couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.
What are the two model numbers ?

I have spent the last 10 minutes digging through my
saved ebay searches, the good model is not there,

Why cant you get the model numbers off the physical machines ?

On Boschs the model number is usually on the
top of the door edge when the door is opened.
Sorry, on the right hand edge of the door when open
https://microsites.boschappliances.c...20right%20side.
SMV50C00GB/18 is my machine, but I dont have my mates number

On 01/01/2021 09:32, misterroy wrote:
On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 10:51:37 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:34:18 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long (possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget
that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the
design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a
couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter model.
What are the two model numbers ?

I have spent the last 10 minutes digging through my
saved ebay searches, the good model is not there,

Why cant you get the model numbers off the physical machines ?

On Boschs the model number is usually on the
top of the door edge when the door is opened.
Sorry, on the right hand edge of the door when open
https://microsites.boschappliances.c...20right%20side.
SMV50C00GB/18 is my machine, but I dont have my mates number

I repaired a bosch dishwasher. It broke again. I bought a Miele.
It hasn't broken yet.. I was even able to remove a olive pit from it.
It does mostly clean dishes that are not too onerous. It is marginally
better than hand washing if only because its a place to stack dirty
plates and the stuff often comes out mostly dry,




--
€œThe fundamental cause of the trouble in the modern world today is that
the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt."

- Bertrand Russell

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writes
On 01/01/2021 09:32, misterroy wrote:

SMV50C00GB/18 is my machine, but I dont have my mates number

I repaired a bosch dishwasher. It broke again. I bought a Miele.
It hasn't broken yet.. I was even able to remove a olive pit from it.
It does mostly clean dishes that are not too onerous. It is marginally
better than hand washing if only because its a place to stack dirty
plates and the stuff often comes out mostly dry,

We have had 2 Bosch dishwashers with no problems so far. Bought from
warehouse stockist so not the latest models.

I'm a bit nervous as the current one is *built in*!

My biggest beef concerns the crockery manufacturers who have not learned
to put drain slots in the bases of cups/mugs. Even the inclined shelves
do not solve this. End of cycle, everything nicely dried except for the
puddle of water trapped in each cup/mug base:-(

So, open the door and carefully soak up the excess with the nearest tea
towel!






--
Tim Lamb

In message , Fred
writes


"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 8:34:07 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 7:42:24 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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My neighbours dishwasher filled up so that when she opened the door
there
was a few inches of water ready to flood her kitchen floor.

I reckon it is a sensor fault. I dug about on the internet, and it
suggests it is a flow meter that tells the machine how much
water is in
there.
(









https://www.how-to-repair.com/help/b...replace-parts/
could even be the same machine)

How does the flow meter tell how much water is in there?

Time plus flow is volume.

or I am barking up the wrong tree?

so how does it know when to stop measuring the flow?

It knows when it has turned the flow on and off.

does it drain all the water into that big flat plastic bit at the side?

Dunno, I havent needed to do any work on my Bosch yet.

It does have one major quirk, it can be tricky to get it to
start at times and quite often wont do two runs in a row,
but does start fine the next day. But just a week ago did
3 runs in a row fine. Likely its a bad cap in the electronics
board but I havent even got around to looking at that.

Could be the contacts on the door microswitch. Try a knee against the
door.
--
Ian

"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 10:51:37 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Thursday, December 31, 2020 at 5:34:18 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Wednesday, December 30, 2020 at 6:18:42 PM UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 30/12/2020 16:39, Fred wrote:

Wish the bugger would tear down them
all so we could decide which one to buy.
It would be of no use unless the tear-down was of a brand new
machine
still on sale. It's much like people recommending a brand that
they
purchased 20 years ago and because it has lasted that long
(possibly
only for them) then this is the one to go for. They tend to forget
that
during this period the brand has been sold on few times and the
design
changed 10 times.


When looking for a new machine it may be more sensible to see who
actually owns the brands and to see if the many different brands
are
manufactured in the same factories. Also take a good look at the
facilities you use on your current machine. Is it worth paying a
couple
of hundred quid more for a machine with tens of extra wizzy-wizz
gimmicky features that you would never use?
My mate bought a Bosch dishwasher about 8 months before
I bought mine. I tried to get the same model, his washes the
roast dish with the cheapest detergent. Mine struggles to clean
anything. I bought at the same pricepoint, but a newer, ****ter
model.
What are the two model numbers ?

I have spent the last 10 minutes digging through my
saved ebay searches, the good model is not there,

Why cant you get the model numbers off the physical machines ?

On Boschs the model number is usually on the
top of the door edge when the door is opened.
Sorry, on the right hand edge of the door when open
https://microsites.boschappliances.c...20right%20side.

SMV50C00GB/18 is my machine, but I dont have my mates number

Could you ask him please ?

My Bosch has a real quirk about starting and there are some
failures with the racks and someone is offering one on facebook
for not much money and I am considering getting it. It clearly
isnt the same model as mine but I wouldnt want one of yours
and would be happy with one like his.

"Ian Jackson" wrote in message
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In message , Fred
writes


"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 8:34:07 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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On Tuesday, December 29, 2020 at 7:42:24 PM UTC, Fred wrote:
"misterroy" wrote in message
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My neighbours dishwasher filled up so that when she opened the
door
there
was a few inches of water ready to flood her kitchen floor.

I reckon it is a sensor fault. I dug about on the internet, and it
suggests it is a flow meter that tells the machine how much water
is in
there.
(









https://www.how-to-repair.com/help/b...replace-parts/
could even be the same machine)

How does the flow meter tell how much water is in there?

Time plus flow is volume.

or I am barking up the wrong tree?

so how does it know when to stop measuring the flow?

It knows when it has turned the flow on and off.

does it drain all the water into that big flat plastic bit at the side?

Dunno, I havent needed to do any work on my Bosch yet.

It does have one major quirk, it can be tricky to get it to
start at times and quite often wont do two runs in a row,
but does start fine the next day. But just a week ago did
3 runs in a row fine. Likely its a bad cap in the electronics
board but I havent even got around to looking at that.

Could be the contacts on the door microswitch.

Nope. You can often get it going by using the
reset setting on the cycle control. Sometimes
that can take 4-5 resets. That doesnt put any
force on the door at all, its a rotary control
which is used to tell it which cycle you want
and the reset is just one of those which flashes
the lights until you stop it with the on off switch.

Thats why I think it might be a bad cap, it appears
to be the controller having a brain fart. Much less
often it does seen to not complete the cycle which
also hints at a bad cap.

Try a knee against the door.

Never have any problem with the door. I do sometimes
manage to add something I have forgotten to put in the
machine, just after I have started it and it always stops
fine when I open the door to put the forgotten item in
and continues fine once I close the door again.

charles wrote:

One of the first things my new
bride wanted was a dishwashwer. We've had a number over the years. I've
never seen a prewash detergent compartment.

This seems to be the inkjet printer of dish washers

https://youtu.be/hVup5ya0WVQ