How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle

The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

Andrew

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

Andrew


no chance...it will be rubbish

"Andrew" wrote in message
...
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle

The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

I'd say that there seems to be a cycle of about 140 years between minima of
the peaks of successive 22-year cycles, and that we are roughly at a
minimum. 60-70 years time might be the time to worry. But then cycles 5,6
and 7 seem to be anomalies in the 1760-1900 cycle.

I think its already started. Its very difficult to know as if we get lucky
and the sun shoves its massejections in another direction as it did a couple
of weeks back then you have no immediate issue.

I can say this though at the moment the propagation over short distances of
low frequencies in the mornings is crap, and the noise is bad from the
ionosphere.
Nobody really knows the way the two processes in the sun interact to add or
diminish the solar cycle. Some may suggest by a rule of what happened when
things are as they are now, but I cannot say I'm impressed with accuracy.
With a bit of luck it will fry Musks satellites and deorbit them.
Brian

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"Andrew" wrote in message
...
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle

The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

Andrew

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

https://link.springer.com/article/10...07-020-01723-y

I would give it odds of no more than 10% of being right.

Most other solar sunspot predictions tend towards the next solar cycle
being miserably boring. Annoying when you have an H-alpha prominence
filter. Time was when you would get a few really exciting flares to half
a solar diameter and naked eye sunspots from time to time.

Hasn't been anything that interesting for more than a decade now.
1960's sunspot cycle was unusually active.

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Andrew Wrote in message:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle

The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

Andrew




Are the submarine fibre optic cables vulnerable? If so, what's the
mechanism?
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On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in tone,
it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

It might fry all the GPS sats too though. Southern region
trains won't know if they are at a 'short' platform :-)

They use GPS to decide if the rear N coaches of a 12-
coach train are next to a patform.

Mind you, people managed with the old slam door trains.

Andrew

On 10/12/2020 21:24, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
I think its already started. Its very difficult to know as if we get lucky
and the sun shoves its massejections in another direction as it did a couple
of weeks back then you have no immediate issue.

I can say this though at the moment the propagation over short distances of
low frequencies in the mornings is crap, and the noise is bad from the
ionosphere.
Nobody really knows the way the two processes in the sun interact to add or
diminish the solar cycle. Some may suggest by a rule of what happened when
things are as they are now, but I cannot say I'm impressed with accuracy.
With a bit of luck it will fry Musks satellites and deorbit them.
Brian

On 11/12/2020 01:08, Graham. wrote:
Andrew Wrote in message:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle

The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

Andrew




Are the submarine fibre optic cables vulnerable? If so, what's the
mechanism?


Sharks find them very tasty for some reason.

On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in tone,
it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in tone,
it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“

--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in
tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

On 13/12/2020 19:16, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in
tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

Just a realist, who doesn't have his head stuck up his bottom in the
great Kindergarten of the Left.


--
"When I grow up, I am going to be a socialist!"
"Make up your mind, one or the other, you can't do both"

On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:49:57 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 19:16, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in
tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

Just a realist, who doesn't have his head stuck up his bottom in the
great Kindergarten of the Left.


But you would think that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

On 14/12/2020 18:12, Mike wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:49:57 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 19:16, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get that
headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative news
source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre, conservative in
tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

Just a realist, who doesn't have his head stuck up his bottom in the
great Kindergarten of the Left.


But you would think that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.



And I would be right, wouldn't I?



--
€œBut what a weak barrier is truth when it stands in the way of an
hypothesis!€�

Mary Wollstonecraft

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:53:11 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/2020 18:12, Mike wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:49:57 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 19:16, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get
that headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative
news source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre,
conservative in tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's
all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing
drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

Just a realist, who doesn't have his head stuck up his bottom in
the great Kindergarten of the Left.


But you would think that, what with you being another ****ing
drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.



And I would be right, wouldn't I?



No. You'd just be another ****ing drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

On 15/12/2020 18:33, Mike wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:53:11 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/2020 18:12, Mike wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:49:57 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 19:16, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get
that headline. Zerohedge should really be called zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative
news source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre,
conservative in tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s. That's
all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing
drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

Just a realist, who doesn't have his head stuck up his bottom in
the great Kindergarten of the Left.


But you would think that, what with you being another ****ing
drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.



And I would be right, wouldn't I?



No. You'd just be another ****ing drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.


Can always rely on the Left for a sober unemotional rational assessment....

--
€œThose who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit
atrocities.€�

€• Voltaire, Questions sur les Miracles Ã* M. Claparede, Professeur de
Théologie Ã* Genève, par un Proposant: Ou Extrait de Diverses Lettres de
M. de Voltaire

On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 18:35:26 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 15/12/2020 18:33, Mike wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2020 08:53:11 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 14/12/2020 18:12, Mike wrote:
On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 03:49:57 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 19:16, Mike wrote:
On Sun, 13 Dec 2020 18:48:50 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 13/12/2020 17:47, Mike wrote:
On Fri, 11 Dec 2020 20:56:53 +0000
Cursitor Doom wrote:

On Thu, 10 Dec 2020 22:25:05 +0000, Martin Brown
wrote:

On 10/12/2020 16:32, Andrew wrote:
How much of this article is to be believed ?


https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/di...-sunspot-cycle


The graph since 1750-ish strongly suggests that cycle 25 is
about to start.

This is the scientific paper that they have mangled to get
that headline. Zerohedge should really be called
zerotrust.

Well YOU would say that! It's a highly reliable alternative
news source in truth. But since it's right-of-centre,
conservative in tone, it's not suitable for Lefty****s.
That's all.

But you would say that, what with you being a ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, Doom.

U R A Wš“


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing
drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

Just a realist, who doesn't have his head stuck up his bottom in
the great Kindergarten of the Left.


But you would think that, what with you being another ****ing
drooling right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.



And I would be right, wouldn't I?



No. You'd just be another ****ing drooling right-tard dickhead,
TurNiP.


Can always rely on the Left for a sober unemotional rational
assessment....

Just like you can always rely on the right to be ****ing drooling
right-tard dickheads, TurNiP.

On 16/12/2020 00:08, Mike wrote:
Just like you can always rely on the right to be ****ing drooling
right-tard dickheads, TurNiP.

Vicious trolling, cancel culture, ad hominems, the standard tools of a
fact free Leftist who has run out of reasonable arguments.

We all know what you are.

--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 01:08:38 UTC, Graham. wrote:

Are the submarine fibre optic cables vulnerable? If so, what's the
mechanism?

Long-distance submarine fibre-optic cables have repeaters which are
powered by high-voltage dc supplies at each end. Induced voltages
in the power conductors might, in principle, cause problems.

John

On 16/12/2020 12:09, John Walliker wrote:
On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 01:08:38 UTC, Graham. wrote:

Are the submarine fibre optic cables vulnerable? If so, what's the
mechanism?

Long-distance submarine fibre-optic cables have repeaters which are
powered by high-voltage dc supplies at each end. Induced voltages
in the power conductors might, in principle, cause problems.

John


Although given the cost of a failure, you might expect pretty good
protection right at the end. Would standard "lightning" protection (for
induction from ground currents) work?

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 02:32:38 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/2020 00:08, Mike wrote:
Just like you can always rely on the right to be ****ing drooling
right-tard dickheads, TurNiP.

Vicious trolling, cancel culture, ad hominems, the standard tools of
a fact free Leftist who has run out of reasonable arguments.

We all know what you are.


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

On 16/12/2020 12:49, Mike wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 02:32:38 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/2020 00:08, Mike wrote:
Just like you can always rely on the right to be ****ing drooling
right-tard dickheads, TurNiP.

Vicious trolling, cancel culture, ad hominems, the standard tools of
a fact free Leftist who has run out of reasonable arguments.

We all know what you are.


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

I think you probably should try and get some medical attention.
Tourettes can be embarrsasing

--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 14:10:17 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/2020 12:49, Mike wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 02:32:38 +0000
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 16/12/2020 00:08, Mike wrote:
Just like you can always rely on the right to be ****ing drooling
right-tard dickheads, TurNiP.

Vicious trolling, cancel culture, ad hominems, the standard tools
of a fact free Leftist who has run out of reasonable arguments.

We all know what you are.


But you would say that, what with you being another ****ing drooling
right-tard dickhead, TurNiP.

I think you probably should try and get some medical attention.
Tourettes can be embarrsasing

Always a delight to hear from a suffer, like yourself. But, I'm afraid
that you are projecting, again.

On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:09:55 -0800 (PST), John Walliker wrote:

On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 01:08:38 UTC, Graham. wrote:

Are the submarine fibre optic cables vulnerable? If so, what's the
mechanism?

Long-distance submarine fibre-optic cables have repeaters which are
powered by high-voltage dc supplies at each end. Induced voltages
in the power conductors might, in principle, cause problems.

Induced how? From sunspots? Salt water is a conductive medium so
should shield most of the length. All a bit like the hydrogen scare
in the 1980s.

On 17/12/2020 12:00, mechanic wrote:
On Wed, 16 Dec 2020 04:09:55 -0800 (PST), John Walliker wrote:

On Friday, 11 December 2020 at 01:08:38 UTC, Graham. wrote:

Are the submarine fibre optic cables vulnerable? If so, what's the
mechanism?

Long-distance submarine fibre-optic cables have repeaters which are
powered by high-voltage dc supplies at each end. Induced voltages
in the power conductors might, in principle, cause problems.

Induced how? From sunspots? Salt water is a conductive medium so
should shield most of the length. All a bit like the hydrogen scare
in the 1980s.

If it were to happen then it would be a big solar flare with a coronal
mass ejection in the direction of the Earth. There are satellites
watching for any such events.

1989 was the last one big enough to take down significant parts of
Canada's national grid. Smaller local events don't make the news.

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe..._darkness.html

There has been nothing even close to the Carrington event in 1859 though.

https://www.raeng.org.uk/publication...er-full-report

As a crude rule of thumb if you can see a bright aurora in the southern
parts of the UK then it is getting close to being enough to cause trips
somewhere in North America. Magnetic north is much closer to them.

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On 17/12/2020 14:22, Martin Brown wrote:


If it were to happen then it would be a big solar flare with a coronal
mass ejection in the direction of the Earth. There are satellites
watching for any such events.

1989 was the last one big enough to take down significant parts of
Canada's national grid. Smaller local events don't make the news.

https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/fe..._darkness.html

There has been nothing even close to the Carrington event in 1859 though.

https://www.raeng.org.uk/publication...er-full-report

As a crude rule of thumb if you can see a bright aurora in the southern
parts of the UK then it is getting close to being enough to cause trips
somewhere in North America. Magnetic north is much closer to them.

I was interested to see speculation a little while ago that the magnetic
north pole might be in Russian territory by now.