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I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will
mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. -- Frank |
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On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote:
I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. |
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On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote:
On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. -- Frank |
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On Monday, 9 November 2020 at 21:19:00 UTC, F wrote:
On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. -- Frank Most plastic trunking tends to be white which if you have a white rendered wall would be quite unobtrusive but for any other type of wall I would use black PVC conduit, plenty of corner components to make neat internal or external corners. For 4 CAT 5e cables, 20mm diam conduit would be adequate. Richard |
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On 09/11/2020 22:06, Tricky Dicky wrote:
On Monday, 9 November 2020 at 21:19:00 UTC, F wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. -- Frank Most plastic trunking tends to be white which if you have a white rendered wall would be quite unobtrusive but for any other type of wall I would use black PVC conduit, plenty of corner components to make neat internal or external corners. For 4 CAT 5e cables, 20mm diam conduit would be adequate. Brown and red trunking is available. -- Adam |
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On 09/11/2020 21:18, F wrote:
On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. If you want to enclose cables that are already installed, you will need trunking rather than conduit since you probably don't want to disconnect them so you can thread them through the conduit. Hence trunking with a removable lid would be better. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Monday, 9 November 2020 at 22:10:11 UTC, John Rumm wrote:
On 09/11/2020 21:18, F wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. If you want to enclose cables that are already installed, you will need trunking rather than conduit since you probably don't want to disconnect them so you can thread them through the conduit. Hence trunking with a removable lid would be better. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ Plastic trunking is available in various colours. Brown is readily available at reasonable cost via ebay or a variety of other sources. |
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John J wrote: Plastic trunking is available in various colours. Brown is readily available at reasonable cost via ebay or a variety of other sources. PVC is very easy to paint with oil based stuff - no undercoat needed. -- *There's two theories to arguing with a woman. Neither one works * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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F news@nowhere wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. Square section plastic trunking that has a clip on lid? Come with various types of corners too. -- *If all is not lost, where the hell is it? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 10/11/2020 00:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Square section plastic trunking that has a clip on lid? Come with various types of corners too. Doesn't usually last all that long outdoors. And looks amateurish. Bill |
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williamwright wrote:
On 10/11/2020 00:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Square section plastic trunking that has a clip on lid? Come with various types of corners too. Doesn't usually last all that long outdoors. And looks amateurish. Well I have some I installed at least 15 years ago and probably nearer 20 years ago that's still fine. It depends where you put it as regards 'amateurish' I think, if it's tucked neatly into a corner or under an overhang then it's fine IMHO. -- Chris Green · |
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williamwright wrote: On 10/11/2020 00:49, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: Square section plastic trunking that has a clip on lid? Come with various types of corners too. Doesn't usually last all that long outdoors. And looks amateurish. It has lasted pretty well here. Used it on my roof terrace for the aerial cables. And painted it to be a closer match to the brickwork. Just what would you use instead? -- *Also too, never, ever use repetitive redundancies * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 09/11/2020 21:18, F wrote:
On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. Round conduit is available in metal or plastic (also in corrugated plastic which can be handy if you have an awkward bit of geometry) but the plastic should be OK outside. There are various corner bits and "junction boxes", some with removable lids to make threading easier. I havn't checked what range of stuff is available from SF or TS. |
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newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 21:18, F wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. Round conduit is available in metal or plastic (also in corrugated plastic which can be handy if you have an awkward bit of geometry) but the plastic should be OK outside. There are various corner bits and "junction boxes", some with removable lids to make threading easier. I havn't checked what range of stuff is available from SF or TS. there's always galvanised steel trunking. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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On 10/11/2020 11:35, charles wrote:
In article , newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 21:18, F wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:57, newshound wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I had seen conduit but wondered if there was any sort of specialised product. I'm not sure what you mean by 'proper' stuff. Trying to further my education here. Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. Round conduit is available in metal or plastic (also in corrugated plastic which can be handy if you have an awkward bit of geometry) but the plastic should be OK outside. There are various corner bits and "junction boxes", some with removable lids to make threading easier. I havn't checked what range of stuff is available from SF or TS. there's always galvanised steel trunking. Overkill for this application. The "ordinary" wall-mount stuff is normally only used inside since the cover is not sealed. Much more expensive than round plastic conduit. |
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On 10/11/2020 10:56, newshound wrote:
Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. There are several sources of UV-stabilised trunking. For example: https://www.builderdepot.co.uk/mini-trunking-self-adhesive-white-16mm-x-40mm-x-3m http://www.cablecafe.co.uk/cable-management/trunking-systems/pvc-mini-trunking/cabledec-plus-mini-trunking-38x16-3-metres I've used white PVC trunking outside (south and west facing) and haven't found it to degrade over 7 years. -- Jeff |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 12:51:48 +0000, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 10/11/2020 10:56, newshound wrote: Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. There are several sources of UV-stabilised trunking. For example: https://www.builderdepot.co.uk/mini-trunking-self-adhesive-white-16mm-x-40mm-x-3m http://www.cablecafe.co.uk/cable-management/trunking-systems/pvc-mini-trunking/cabledec-plus-mini-trunking-38x16-3-metres I've used white PVC trunking outside (south and west facing) and haven't found it to degrade over 7 years. Suitable size of D-Line then paint it. https://www.screwfix.com/search?sear...gory=cat830108 If the open side is downwards it should be OK even in driving rain. Easy to slide under cabeles (more so than square section). I wouldn't trust the adhesive outside but a couple of screws... -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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On 10/11/2020 12:51, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 10/11/2020 10:56, newshound wrote: Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. There are several sources of UV-stabilised trunking. For example: https://www.builderdepot.co.uk/mini-trunking-self-adhesive-white-16mm-x-40mm-x-3m http://www.cablecafe.co.uk/cable-management/trunking-systems/pvc-mini-trunking/cabledec-plus-mini-trunking-38x16-3-metres I've used white PVC trunking outside (south and west facing) and haven't found it to degrade over 7 years. PVC or uPVC thpugh ?. |
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On 10/11/2020 10:56, newshound wrote:
Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. Yes it's no good outdoors. Bill |
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On 10/11/2020 19:58, williamwright wrote:
On 10/11/2020 10:56, newshound wrote: Sorry, as others have already said I thought you might have seen and been thinking of the white rectangular trunking with clip-on lids that you find in sheds and hardware shops. It's meant for indoor use so is not very well UV stabilised. Yes it's no good outdoors. To be fair, with the UV stabilised stuff so far I have not had any problem. I have a run of 38x25mm trunking that runs down the side of the house[1] - on a south facing wall with little or no shade, and after 12 years is showing no signs of degradation. [1] The anticipation was that I would insulate the outside of the house and lose it under the cladding at some point, but so far I have not mustered the enthusiasm to do the insulation! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Mon, 9 Nov 2020 20:57:38 +0000, newshound
wrote: On 09/11/2020 20:34, F wrote: I'm about to add a security camera to the back of the house which will mean a fourth Ethernet cable running parallel to three others. Is there any kind of trunking/conduit/whatever that I can fix to the (brick) wall to take the cables and tidy things up? It would need to be around 15m long and accept internal and external corners. Er, conduit? Screwfix, Toolstation, etc. For that sort of length, it will be neater to use the "proper" stuff. I agree, especially if you are running the cables over any sort of rough pebble-dashed surface. As has been mentioned elsewhere, really only works if you are willing / able to re run any existing cables though the new conduit. A mate has a mix of CCTV / lighting on the front of his house, some clipped directly to the walls and some run in conduit and the conduit makes the exposed cables look tacky and vulnerable. There are some fairly new flats nearby where the (distributed) TV cables are run round the outside of the buildings, just in a bundle clipped to the outside wall. Did they not know they would need a communal aerial feed when they built the places? Personally, I would be running any such cables internally, especially on the front, though the loft and down though risers ... (but then I generally decide what goes here and she doesn't care about that sort of thing g). Round the back if it wasn't possible to keep internal, I'd go conduit. Cheers, T i m |
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On 10/11/2020 01:16, T i m wrote:
There are some fairly new flats nearby where the (distributed) TV cables are run round the outside of the buildings, just in a bundle clipped to the outside wall. Did they not know they would need a communal aerial feed when they built the places? It's because they didn't allow for Sky+. Obsolete now anyway. Bill |
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On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 02:40:58 +0000, williamwright
wrote: On 10/11/2020 01:16, T i m wrote: There are some fairly new flats nearby where the (distributed) TV cables are run round the outside of the buildings, just in a bundle clipped to the outside wall. Did they not know they would need a communal aerial feed when they built the places? It's because they didn't allow for Sky+. Oh? I've never had any Sky anything (well, a mate gave me a new/unused Sky box and I took the 500GB HDD out of it before recycling the rest), so why does that need that couldn't have been catered for via the std communal cabling system ... and what new build wouldn't have built in ducting for such things, allowing for any retro-fit to any flat from the communal comms cupboard? [1] Obsolete now anyway. Cool ... so I can go and prune the cable off as it annoys me. ;-) Cheers, T i m [1] We installed a few racks worth of datacomms kit in a central datacentre and they were running cables out to satellite buildings that closely surrounded it. To cater for all the data cables they built (when building the entire site from scratch) 4 x 6" diameter earthenware pipes between hub and satellite buildings. The head count increased as the project was completed and realising that it was going to be a lot of work and possibly not have the physical capacity for all these new links, they went over to fiber and so only used one of the 4 ducts. They then soon found the fiber was being bitten though by rats as it was a lovely underground system for them so they had to make plugs up to block all the pipes and just leaving a small gap for the fibre cable to sneak though. ;-) |
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"T i m" wrote in message ... On Tue, 10 Nov 2020 02:40:58 +0000, williamwright wrote: On 10/11/2020 01:16, T i m wrote: There are some fairly new flats nearby where the (distributed) TV cables are run round the outside of the buildings, just in a bundle clipped to the outside wall. Did they not know they would need a communal aerial feed when they built the places? It's because they didn't allow for Sky+. Oh? I've never had any Sky anything (well, a mate gave me a new/unused Sky box and I took the 500GB HDD out of it before recycling the rest), so why does that need that couldn't have been catered for via the std communal cabling system because people want both a TV Aerial Connection and a Sky connection And Sky+ requires 2 cables not 1 ... and what new build wouldn't have built in ducting for such things, allowing for any retro-fit to any flat from the communal comms cupboard? [1] every new build I have lived in. there may be trucking for part of the route, but a large percentage of it is plastered behind a wall - people usually don't want their TV in a hallway |
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On 10/11/2020 09:35, T i m wrote:
so why does that need that couldn't have been catered for via the std communal cabling system ... and what new build wouldn't have built in ducting for such things, allowing for any retro-fit to any flat from the communal comms cupboard? [1] Sky+ needed two feeds from the multiswitch to each wallplate. They rarely put ducting or indeed any future-proofing in any domestic new-build. After Sky+ came out a lot of builders wouldn't even have two feeds put in, and this led to all sorts of unhappiness. Google 'stackers + satellite" Bill |
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On Tuesday, 10 November 2020 01:16:07 UTC, T i m wrote:
There are some fairly new flats nearby where the (distributed) TV cables are run round the outside of the buildings, just in a bundle clipped to the outside wall. Did they not know they would need a communal aerial feed when they built the places? Yes, but they probably wired it in "low-loss" string. Owain |
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On Tuesday, 10 November 2020 20:10:09 UTC, williamwright wrote:
Yes, but they probably wired it in "low-loss" string. Or CCTV cable. Or any vaguely co-axial-like cable that was cheap. As long as it's brown. Everyone knows aerial cable is brown. Owain |
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