Who's been digging one then?

On 03/11/2020 12:14, Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54794723

You mean this?

On 03/11/2020 13:09, GB wrote:
On 03/11/2020 12:14, Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54794723

You mean this?

Poles rather than Irish doing the basement? Surprising?

GB wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Who's been digging one then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54794723
You mean this?

Yes, seems to be number 3 that's gone down the hole

https://goo.gl/maps/QFnBogjR13VjhnyF9

But number 4 is the one with approved planning permission for a basement
extension, and another application pending decision for an extra level
of basement excavation

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Drawing-2439746.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=2439746&location=Vol ume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1

I wonder if they'd started work on the basis of forgiveness rather than
approval?

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here years
ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant decided to add
to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in basement
conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.

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On 03/11/2020 13:27, Andy Burns wrote:
GB wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Who's been digging one then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54794723
You mean this?

Yes, seems to be number 3 that's gone down the hole

https://goo.gl/maps/QFnBogjR13VjhnyF9

But number 4 is the one with approved planning permission for a basement
extension, and another application pending decision for an extra level
of basement excavation

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Drawing-2439746.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=2439746&location=Vol ume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1


I wonder if they'd started work on the basis of forgiveness rather than
approval?

Are we allowed to express schadenfreude? It's quite amusing how far that
basement extends front and back beyond the presumed original locations
of the foundations. And the floor joists of the two layers of bedroom
seem a bit saggy.

On 03/11/2020 12:14, Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?

teams of woodworm ?

On 03/11/2020 13:27, Andy Burns wrote:
GB wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Who's been digging one then?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-54794723
You mean this?

Yes, seems to be number 3 that's gone down the hole

https://goo.gl/maps/QFnBogjR13VjhnyF9

But number 4 is the one with approved planning permission for a basement
extension, and another application pending decision for an extra level
of basement excavation

https://www.rbkc.gov.uk/idoxWAM/doc/Drawing-2439746.pdf?extension=.pdf&id=2439746&location=Vol ume2&contentType=application/pdf&pageCount=1


I wonder if they'd started work on the basis of forgiveness rather than
approval?

Thanks Andy. Really interesting.

Bill

On 03/11/2020 14:05, newshound wrote:
And the floor joists of the two layers of bedroom seem a bit saggy.

Looks like they're been like that a while! You'd roll our of bed!

Bill

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here years
ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant decided to add
to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in basement
conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .

On 03/11/2020 15:58, Peter Burke wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here years
ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant decided to add
to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in basement
conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .

Nah. the house is worth at most a couple of hundred k..the plot however
is another matter.

In fact the plot may well be worth more with the house gone


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williamwright wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

seems to be number 3 that's gone down the hole
But number 4 is the one with approved planning permission for a
basement extension, and another application pending decision for an
extra level of basement excavation
I wonder if they'd started work on the basis of forgiveness rather
than approval?

Thanks Andy. Really interesting.

Looking in more detail at the applications, the second level basement
had been approved for number 4, it was only alterations to the windows
that are pending approval.

Number 3 had approval to extend the original basement to the rear, but
not for a second level of basement.

Peter Burke wrote in :

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here
years ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant
decided to add to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured
to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in
basement conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One
Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .


My Bad:

"A spokesman for Kapital Basements said it was carrying out work at
number four - which it said had "nothing to do with" the collapsed
properties.

He said the work at number four had recently been completed and had been
carried out during the last year but was now "signed off".

The spokesman said work at number two and three was to remove internal
walls and that had been ongoing until yesterday. He said nobody had been
living at either property."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/130931...apse-basement-
conversion/

On 03/11/2020 16:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/11/2020 15:58, Peter Burke wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here
years
ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant decided to add
to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in basement
conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .

Nah. the house is worth at most a couple of hundred k..the plot however
is another matter.

In fact the plot may well be worth more with the house gone


It will be listed, won't it? Surely we can rely on the local council to
insist that it is properly reinstated.

Oh, perhaps not.

On Tuesday, 3 November 2020 at 16:06:43 UTC, Peter Burke wrote:
Peter Burke wrote in :
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here
years ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant
decided to add to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured
to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in
basement conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One
Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .

My Bad:

"A spokesman for Kapital Basements said it was carrying out work at
number four - which it said had "nothing to do with" the collapsed
properties.

He said the work at number four had recently been completed and had been
carried out during the last year but was now "signed off".

The spokesman said work at number two and three was to remove internal
walls and that had been ongoing until yesterday. He said nobody had been
living at either property."

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/130931...apse-basement-
conversion/

Indeed.... the collapse seems to have been caused by the collapse of the old party wall between Nos 2 and 3 (now all part of the same house).

Bet Kapital Basements are not enjoying the free publicity though...

On 03/11/2020 16:16, Nikki Smith wrote:


Indeed.... the collapse seems to have been caused by the collapse of the old party wall between Nos 2 and 3 (now all part of the same house).

Bet Kapital Basements are not enjoying the free publicity though...

Oh I don't know. Theirs has stayed up.

On Tuesday, 3 November 2020 at 16:31:29 UTC, newshound wrote:
On 03/11/2020 16:16, Nikki Smith wrote:


Indeed.... the collapse seems to have been caused by the collapse of the old party wall between Nos 2 and 3 (now all part of the same house).

Bet Kapital Basements are not enjoying the free publicity though...

Oh I don't know. Theirs has stayed up.

True, but I bet most people would associate them with the work? Admittedly, the average client who can afford such work probably doesnt read the English papers.

RBKC are the original sticklers for checking that basements are constructed correctly. They were the first to insist on full BIA reports to be included in the planning documents, and there is one for the work to No 4. Looks like the new basement required double underpins and resin grouting of the gravels to keep it temporarily watertight. Must have been pretty expensive!

On Tuesday, 3 November 2020 16:49:24 UTC, Nikki Smith wrote:
On Tuesday, 3 November 2020 at 16:31:29 UTC, newshound wrote:
On 03/11/2020 16:16, Nikki Smith wrote:


Indeed.... the collapse seems to have been caused by the collapse of the old party wall between Nos 2 and 3 (now all part of the same house).

Bet Kapital Basements are not enjoying the free publicity though...

Oh I don't know. Theirs has stayed up.

True, but I bet most people would associate them with the work? Admittedly, the average client who can afford such work probably doesnt read the English papers.

RBKC are the original sticklers for checking that basements are constructed correctly. They were the first to insist on full BIA reports to be included in the planning documents, and there is one for the work to No 4. Looks like the new basement required double underpins and resin grouting of the gravels to keep it temporarily watertight. Must have been pretty expensive!

A great pity their stickler-ism didn't seem to apply to cladding tower blocks.

On 03/11/2020 16:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/11/2020 15:58, Peter Burke wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here
years
ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant decided to add
to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in basement
conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .

Nah. the house is worth at most a couple of hundred k..the plot however
is another matter.

In fact the plot may well be worth more with the house gone



Well it will make the digging out of an iceberg basement a lot easier.
All they need now is lateral support for the adjoining properties.
Hope they had party wall agreements :-(

On 03/11/2020 16:12, newshound wrote:
On 03/11/2020 16:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/11/2020 15:58, Peter Burke wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in
:

In article ,
Â*Â*Â* Andy Burns wrote:
Who's been digging one then?


Going to be quite an insurance claim. Same thing happened near here
years
ago. A terrace with shops and housing above. A restaurant decided to
add
to their covers by converting the basement. Rumoured to be a DIY job.

But there are so many firms around these days specialising in basement
conversions you'd expect one of those to be used in Chelsea.


https://www.kapitalbasements.co.uk/

"Public Liability Insurance £5,000,000.00 Claim Limit Per Any One Claim"

Could be a bit light . . .

Nah. the house is worth at most a couple of hundred k..the plot
however is another matter.

In fact the plot may well be worth more with the house gone


It will be listed, won't it? Surely we can rely on the local council to
insist that it is properly reinstated.

Oh, perhaps not.
No. houses that fall down in 'accidents' are outside their remit.


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puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

Nikki Smith wrote:

RBKC are the original sticklers for checking that basements are
constructed correctly. They were the first to insist on full BIA
reports to be included in the planning documents, and there is one
for the work to No 4. Looks like the new basement required double
underpins and resin grouting of the gravels to keep it temporarily
watertight. Must have been pretty expensive!
Yes looks like No 4's sub-basement probably isn't blame for No 3
collapsing. No 2-3 also had permission to extend basement to the rear,
but also shows a lot of removing internal columns and walls, also
removing beams and concealing them in floors above, installing lift shaft

On 03/11/2020 16:02, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

In fact the plot may well be worth more with the house gone

You suspect a cunning plot?

Bill