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I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

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I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.
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On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


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I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Set screw


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Even setscrews can have different profile and thickness heads of course.
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I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty
thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz

I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Set screw


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On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:22:40 +0100, Brian Gaff \(Sofa\) wrote:

Even setscrews can have different profile and thickness heads of course.
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Pan head screw.
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On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Machine screw.
But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.
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On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Machine screw.
But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


I was taught a bolt isn't threaded all the way. One that is is a machine
screw.

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On 21/10/2020 19:16, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
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soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz

I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Machine screw.
But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


I was taught a bolt isn't threaded all the way. One that is is a machine
screw.


I have plenty of hexagon-headed bolts where the thread
goes right uup to the head though.
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I have plenty of hexagon-headed bolts where the thread
goes right uup to the head though.


Then that would be a Hex head machine screw, not a bolt.



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I have plenty of hexagon-headed bolts where the thread
goes right uup to the head though.


They aren't bolts, they are machine screws.

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On 21/10/2020 18:55, soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty
thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Â*Machine screw.
Â*But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt usually has a 6 sided head on it for a spanner, while a screw has
a slot or similar for a screwdriver.

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On 21/10/2020 18:55, soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw Luckily thread is nothing
esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty
thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz

I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say from the
pic.


Â*Machine screw.
Â*But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt usually has a 6 sided head on it for a spanner, while a screw has
a slot or similar for a screwdriver.


Tell that to a coach screw!

No, a bolt has an unthreaded section. A screw is threaded all the way
along.

There are machine screws, and wood screws, and grub screws, and...

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On Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:21:57 +0100, RobH wrote:

On 21/10/2020 18:55, soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw Luckily thread is nothing
esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty
thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz

I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say from the
pic.

Â*Machine screw.
Â*But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt usually has a 6 sided head on it for a spanner, while a screw has
a slot or similar for a screwdriver.


Tell that to a coach screw!

No, a bolt has an unthreaded section. A screw is threaded all the way
along.

There are machine screws, and wood screws, and grub screws, and...

I was in steelwork engineering for most of my working life, so what do I
know..
i didn't say anything about the thread.

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Tell that to a coach screw!

No, a bolt has an unthreaded section. A screw is threaded all the way
along.

There are machine screws, and wood screws, and grub screws, and...


.... and I have a large collection of wood _screws_ many of which are
unthreaded near the head It's only recently they've started being
threaded all the way up.

What's the difference between a pan head and a wafer head?

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I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.

When it has a piece of plain unthreaded shank.


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But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,

A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.

Because a bolt can be used to join components through an unthreaded hole
there's no necessity for the thread to go all the way to the end. However
this is purely incidental.

Standard pattern woodscrews are plain at the end but are still screws.

Whereas machine screws can be used with nuts through unthreaded holes,
in which case they're functioning as bolts.


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But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,

A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.

Because a bolt can be used to join components through an unthreaded hole
there's no necessity for the thread to go all the way to the end. However
this is purely incidental.


The convention is that a bolt is not wholly threaded along it's length.
If it is, them it would normally be called a machine screw.

It's not normally considered 'coincidental'?

Standard pattern woodscrews are plain at the end but are still screws.

Whereas machine screws can be used with nuts through unthreaded holes,
in which case they're functioning as bolts.


I have always believed that bolts were designed to assist in location,
apart from being cheaper to make than machine screws.

Unfortunately the wikipedia entry for Machine Screws is ASME / US based.
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But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,

A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.

Because a bolt can be used to join components through an unthreaded hole
there's no necessity for the thread to go all the way to the end. However
this is purely incidental.


The convention is that a bolt is not wholly threaded along it's length. If it is, them
it would normally be called a machine screw.

It's not normally considered 'coincidental'?


It is purely "incidental". The different threading on nuts and bolts is a
direct result of the different functions they were designed to perform.

Nobody decided to produce fasteners where the threading only
went three quarters of the way along and then worked out what they
could be used for - joining components through unthreaded holes
which could then be tightened with a nut.

What they needed to produce was something which could join
components through an unthreaded hole which could be tightened
with a nut - which is what we call a bolt.

The fact that the threading on this fastner doesn't need to cover the entire
length is purely incidental. The bolt could work equally well if it was threaded
over its entire length,

What defines nuts and bolts is the way they're used, not their appearance

My previous explanation was entirely OTTOHM. However logical sounding
definitions. once encountered, seem to stick in the memory..

quote

A bolt is an externally threaded fastener designed for insertion through holes
in assembled parts, and is normally intended to be tightened or released by
torquing a nut. A screw is an externally threaded fastener capable of being
inserted into holes in assembled parts, of mating with a preformed internal
thread or forming its own thread, and of being tightened or released by
torquing the head.

Machinery's Handbook

quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#...bolt_and_screw


Standard pattern woodscrews are plain at the end but are still screws.

Whereas machine screws can be used with nuts through unthreaded holes,
in which case they're functioning as bolts.


I have always believed that bolts were designed to assist in location, apart from being
cheaper to make than machine screws.


Eh ? Its precisely the opposite. Provided the nut and the bolt head are big enough
there's no necessary connection whatsoever between the bolt diameter and the hole
through which its put, Even more so, if oversize washers are also used at either end.


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But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,


A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.


Because a bolt can be used to join components through an unthreaded hole
there's no necessity for the thread to go all the way to the end. However
this is purely incidental.


Standard pattern woodscrews are plain at the end but are still screws.


Whereas machine screws can be used with nuts through unthreaded holes,
in which case they're functioning as bolts.



Never worked on a car engine? You'll find plenty bolts on that - only part
threaded - that go into a casting. So no nut. The non threaded part is
larger than the thread so helps to locate what it's fixing more
accurately. The reason - apart from strength - that a bolt is used.

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"soup" wrote in message
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But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,


A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.


Because a bolt can be used to join components through an unthreaded hole
there's no necessity for the thread to go all the way to the end. However
this is purely incidental.


Standard pattern woodscrews are plain at the end but are still screws.


Whereas machine screws can be used with nuts through unthreaded holes,
in which case they're functioning as bolts.



Never worked on a car engine? You'll find plenty bolts on that - only part
threaded - that go into a casting.


The fact that they may look like bolts is immaterial. They in fact
function as screws

quote

A bolt is an externally threaded fastener designed for insertion through holes
in assembled parts, and is normally intended to be tightened or released by
torquing a nut. A screw is an externally threaded fastener capable of being
inserted into holes in assembled parts, of mating with a preformed internal
thread or forming its own thread, and of being tightened or released by
torquing the head.

Machinery's Handbook

quote

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw#...bolt_and_screw


So no nut. The non threaded part is
larger than the thread so helps to locate what it's fixing more
accurately. The reason - apart from strength - that a bolt is used.


Calling a particular machined fastener a "bolt" doesn't in fact make
it any stronger than an identical machined fastener that someone else,
more correctly I would suggest, calls a "screw".


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A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,

A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.


Is a cylinder head bolt, a bolt or a machine screw ?.
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A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,

A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.


Is a cylinder head bolt, a bolt or a machine screw ?.


Possibly this may help clarify things.

Functionally its a screw, as its screwed into a thread; rather than being
secured with a nut as is a bolt.

The fact that people mistakenly refer to them as "bolts" based solely on
their appearance rather than on their function is unfortunate.

Whereas cylinder head "studs", which are first screwed into the head,
then do then function as "bolts"; as they don't move any further, and are
secured by cylinder head nuts.


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On 22/10/2020 14:48:57, Andrew wrote:
On 22/10/2020 08:27, michael adams wrote:
A bolt is threaded into a nut to tighten it,

A screw is threaded into a female thread, or as in the case of woodscrews
creates it own female thread.


Is a cylinder head bolt, a bolt or a machine screw ?.


In the UK it would be a bolt. In other countries it may be a screw.

This link may help to understand the USA vs UK nomenclatu
https://www.accu.co.uk/en/p/131-diff...rews-and-bolts

Interesting point about bolts and screws in that the USA had some
historical differences in taxation. Such classification will always
introduce distortions and confusions.

Another example of this kind of distortion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screw
"Reasonably, these fasteners might be referred to as bolts, but based on
the US government document Distinguishing Bolts from Screws, the US
government might classify them as screws because of the tighter tolerance."

Be careful as wiki is very much USA centric.

For the UK, it's simple. A bolt is a fastener with a portion left
unthreaded. A machine screw, or set screw is fully threaded.

If you ask a UK supplier for a bolt you will get a partly threaded
'bolt'. If you ask for a machine screw or anything with "screw" in its
name, it will fully threaded.

YMMV + I am sure there are exceptions! :-)


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On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Machine screw.
But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


As Lord Mountbatten told his mother.'You can put a boat on a ship but not a ship on a boat"


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On 23/10/2020 11:53, fred wrote:
On Wednesday, October 21, 2020 at 6:55:58 PM UTC+1, soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz

I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


Machine screw.
But then much like the difference between a ship and a
boat, I don't think it has ever been detailed when a machine screw
becomes a bolt.


As Lord Mountbatten told his mother.'You can put a boat on a ship but not a ship on a boat"

especially if the boat is a submarine and 1000 feet underwater
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Bolts have an unthreaded section, screws do not, not able to see the pick,
but there are a lot of special heads around. Thin profile Cheeseheads were
used a lot on some radar gear. Also some serrated head countersunk ones
that gripped the holes. I guess somebody will make almost anything if there
is a demand for them. My pet hate are security screws with completely
illogical tools needed to take them out.
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I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz

I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.



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I called it a screw as it is fully threaded not part threaded like a bolt.
There is no taper or shoulder


On 21/10/2020 18:19, Andrew wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


I would call that a bolt of some sort, rather than a screw.
Does it taper at all at the 'sharp' end ?. Difficult to say
from the pic.


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flat wafer head gets you close ...
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flat wafer head gets you close ...


or low wafer head


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flat wafer head gets you close ...


or low wafer head


Agreed.

Might you get away with a pan head? Perhaps with the help of a file.
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On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


Wafer head.

https://preview.tinyurl.com/yylj4vee

Which is :-

https://www.google.com/search?q=M4+w...nt=firefox-b-d
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On 21/10/2020 18:59, soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


Â*Wafer head.





Well a new one on me ... never heard of wafer head screws .... but that
is what it looks like .... Thnx

Now have to find one.
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On 22/10/2020 18:15, rick wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:59, soup wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty
thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


Â*Â*Wafer head.


Well a new one on me ... never heard of wafer head screws .... but that
is what it looks like .... Thnx

Now have to find one.


ebay?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Phillips-...-/123332995002

Alibaba (if you know how to work it, I don't. Suspect it is more for
distributors who deal in thousands).

https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...500424694.html

Mm they call 'them' machine screw bolts. Whither bolt/machine screw
definitions now?
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Mm they call 'them' machine screw bolts. Whither bolt/machine screw definitions now?


You can use a machine screw as a bolt providing it goes right through and you
can thread a nut on the end and tighten it that way. Depending on how oversize
you make the hole you can either thread the screw through the hole or push it
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I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz



Try ebay with a search of

black wafer head screw m4

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On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


Use a normal screw and a big washer.

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On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


try "pan head".

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On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esoteric M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screw ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


try "pan head".


Pan head is perhaps the most common none CSK type. I'd guess the OP is
looking for a larger diameter head than that. The sort used for fixing
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On 21/10/2020 23:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 21/10/2020 18:17, rick wrote:
I have a need to find a replacement screw
Luckily thread is nothing esotericÂ*Â* M4 x 8

If a Phillip head .... but the head is fairly wide ~10mm and pretty thin.

Anybody know if there is a name for this type of screwÂ* ...

https://flic.kr/p/2jXJRyz


try "pan head".



too thick ....... My solution (it seems) is a "flanged button head screw."


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