On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:54:50 +0100 (BST), "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 11:18:22 +0100, T i m wrote:

Yes. Soon you'll be able to buy a pork sausage that contains zero
pork.

'Soon'. !?

Many 'pork sausages' contain little in the way of what most would
consider to be pork.

MRM, yummy...

Yeah, quite. I saw a video of a pigs head and loads of metal flales
ripping the 'meat' off ...

On a similar level ... daughter did much of our last 'big shop' at
Asda (supporting their vegan expansion) and amongst several new lines
she got us a couple of 'Pukker, chicken and mushroom' pies.

Now obviously we weren't expecting high cuisine but she was interested
in our though's on them generally and to see if it was worth seeing if
a cafe she uses for take-away might be interested in offering them and
she could advertise such on the many vegan groups she uses (given they
probably offer 'Pukker' foods in any case).

And with half a baked sweet potato, a load of (frozen) mixed veg and
some vegan gravy they were perfectly ok (and the pastry was very
good).

At least you didn't get any of the ****ty bits that you might
typically find in anything containing 'cheap' meat.

Cheers, T i m

On 20/10/2020 12:14, T i m wrote:
Yeah, quite. I saw a video of a pigs head and loads of metal flales
ripping the 'meat' off ...

But not while it was alive, unlike animals in Africa who
have the misfortune to cross paths with wild dogs or
hyenas. These don't bother with suffocating their next
meal first, they start at the easy end, the area around
the arsehole and rip out what that can.

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:20:38 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 20/10/2020 12:14, T i m wrote:
Yeah, quite. I saw a video of a pigs head and loads of metal flales
ripping the 'meat' off ...

But not while it was alive,

No, but I was talking about the mechanical process.

unlike animals in Africa who
have the misfortune to cross paths with wild dogs or
hyenas. These don't bother with suffocating their next
meal first, they start at the easy end, the area around
the arsehole and rip out what that can.

Yup, but at least that's 'natural'.

Cheers, T i m

On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:20:38 +0100, Andrew wrote:

Yeah, quite. I saw a video of a pigs head and loads of metal
flales
ripping the 'meat' off ...

But not while it was alive, unlike animals in Africa who
have the misfortune to cross paths with wild dogs or
hyenas. These don't bother with suffocating their next
meal first, they start at the easy end, the area around
the arsehole and rip out what that can.

I have no problems with people eating meat provided they could string
up the cow, pig, sheep, goat, horse, WHY, slit its throat then gut
and butcher the carcase. It's the complete disconnection between the
animal in the field and the lump of meat in a neat plastic tray,
wrapped in film, on the supermarket shelf that's the problem.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 20 Oct 2020 20:51:23 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 20 Oct 2020 at 21:47:38 BST, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

snip

I have no problems with people eating meat provided they could string
up the cow, pig, sheep, goat, horse, WHY, slit its throat then gut
and butcher the carcase. It's the complete disconnection between the
animal in the field and the lump of meat in a neat plastic tray,
wrapped in film, on the supermarket shelf that's the problem.

Why?

You really are thick aren't you goblin. ;-(

I don't work in a car factory or down the sewage farm either.

No, because you wouldn't be able to do either.

The reason doing either is *completely different* to slaughtering and
butchering an animal is because with that you have to take an animals
life, a life you don't have the right to take in the first place.

Dave's point was my point and the spirit of my very first post on the
subject here, the question of the 'Meat eaters licence', a process
that would force the reconnection that few have these days:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1DcFmUrxUQ

https://youtu.be/lSngJ-mGNoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psdt...ature=youtu.be

Cheers, T i m

On 20/10/2020 20:58:15, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 20 Oct 2020 20:20:38 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 20/10/2020 12:14, T i m wrote:
Yeah, quite. I saw a video of a pigs head and loads of metal flales
ripping the 'meat' off ...

But not while it was alive,

No, but I was talking about the mechanical process.

unlike animals in Africa who
have the misfortune to cross paths with wild dogs or
hyenas. These don't bother with suffocating their next
meal first, they start at the easy end, the area around
the arsehole and rip out what that can.

Yup, but at least that's 'natural'.

And so is man eating meat. What is unnatural is eating a plant only diet.

On 20/10/2020 22:35:20, T i m wrote:
On 20 Oct 2020 20:51:23 GMT, Tim Streater
wrote:

On 20 Oct 2020 at 21:47:38 BST, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:

snip

I have no problems with people eating meat provided they could string
up the cow, pig, sheep, goat, horse, WHY, slit its throat then gut
and butcher the carcase. It's the complete disconnection between the
animal in the field and the lump of meat in a neat plastic tray,
wrapped in film, on the supermarket shelf that's the problem.

Why?

You really are thick aren't you goblin. ;-(

I don't work in a car factory or down the sewage farm either.

No, because you wouldn't be able to do either.

The reason doing either is *completely different* to slaughtering and
butchering an animal is because with that you have to take an animals
life, a life you don't have the right to take in the first place.

There is no difference. Many jobs are taken out of choice, only some out
of necessity.

Dave's point was my point and the spirit of my very first post on the
subject here, the question of the 'Meat eaters licence', a process
that would force the reconnection that few have these days:

As long as we have the same for soy product eaters, given their
destruction of a the Amazonian rain forest, and for other plants.

It would then be a level playing field
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1DcFmUrxUQ

https://youtu.be/lSngJ-mGNoo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psdt...ature=youtu.be

https://tinyurl.com/y373oxcn

On 20/10/2020 20:47, Dave Liquorice wrote:

I have no problems with people eating meat provided they could string
up the cow, pig, sheep, goat, horse, WHY, slit its throat then gut
and butcher the carcase. It's the complete disconnection between the
animal in the field and the lump of meat in a neat plastic tray,
wrapped in film, on the supermarket shelf that's the problem.

When I was very small, we used to keep chickens in a run, using the now
defunct air-raid shelter as their coop. I knew where the chicken feed
was kept, and I used to feed them though the wire. Although small, I
knew which hens were which, and they used to come up to the wire if they
thought I had some feed.

Every now and then, the licensed slaughterman who lived just up the road
would come round. He would kill a couple of the chickens by wringing
their necks, then breaking their jaws so they would bleed out while
being hung by their tethered feet. At the right time, my parents would
pluck them, clean them, dress them for the oven, cook them, and serve
them as a special treat. I saw all these processes taking place.

This was a time of post-war rationing, which was stricter than it was
during the war. I don't suppose people remember that at all, or that the
quality of the vegetables and fruit on offer was simply dreadful, due to
government policy, so a roast chicken dinner was really something to
appreciate - and we did. I still like roast chicken to this day.

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Spike