Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to dig
about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and some
SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Thanks
Theo

Theo Wrote in message:
Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to dig
about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and some
SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Thanks
Theo


If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

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Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Theo

On 20/09/2020 13:27, Theo wrote:
Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Have you got an odd corner where you can dig a hole and bury it?

Bill

On 20/09/2020 13:02, Theo wrote:
Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to dig
about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and some
SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Probably about a grand if someone has to make a living out of doing it.

If good access means it all doable with a mini digger, its about a days
work for one/two men so could be sub £500 with digger hire, but if there
is a lot of handwork it might take 3 days.

Most labourers want to make £200 a day minimum
Each.


Thanks
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"Theo" wrote in message
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Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

michael adams

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Theo wrote:
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Would there be that much, given it's only a pipe and cable in the trench?

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michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Yes, I was going to ask that, a mole plough would probably do it more
cheaply. Do you really want the paving slabs on top?

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michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Probably a pair of 32mm. I looked up some pre-lagged direct burial
pipes and they come in at 125mm diameter for a pair of 32mm.

Theo

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In article ,
Theo wrote:
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Would there be that much, given it's only a pipe and cable in the trench?


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Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Yes, I was going to ask that, a mole plough would probably do it more
cheaply. Do you really want the paving slabs on top?


All down to cost I suspect.. how much is a moling operation for a
day? Must be more than aman&adigger?

I bought a mole plough a few months ago, it cost £320. You do of
course need a tractor to drag it through the ground.

A mole plough isn't one of those self propelled undeground guided
missile things. It's something you drag behind a tractor with a sort
of 'bullet' at the bottom of a blade and a pipe that runs down to the
'bullet' that you feed a pipe into. A quick 'net search will show you
what it is.

Mine has saved me much digging and money burying both MDPE water pipes
and Cat5e cables.

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"Theo" wrote in message
...
Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to
dig
about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and some
SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Thanks
Theo

why do you want to put paving slabs on top ?
have you considered a Moling Services you only need to dig two holes

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 13:11:34 +0100, Jimk wrote:

Theo Wrote in message:
Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to
dig about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes
and some SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Please tell us where you can get a digger, and driver to work it, for
£300 a day. We've recently paid £600 in Leics. for a similar thing.

It'd be 2 days work to dig/ finish and make good.
If it can be done for less than £1000, I'd be surprised.
And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

You bin listening to too many Goon Shows. Wait till it snows then bury the
pipes under that.

Brian

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On 20/09/2020 13:27, Theo wrote:
Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Have you got an odd corner where you can dig a hole and bury it?

Bill

On 20/09/2020 17:58, Mark wrote:
"Theo" wrote in message
...
Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to
dig
about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and some
SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Thanks
Theo

why do you want to put paving slabs on top ?
have you considered a Moling Services you only need to dig two holes

-


And why a metre down ?. SWA doesn't need to go that deep.
Nor do Insulated water pipes, and clay is much better insulation
than sandy soil anyway.
What sort of traffic will be crossing this trench ?.

Might need to let it all settle for a few months before putting anything on
top if its clay, particularly, I have clay here and my cement patio is pot
hole city.
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"Chris Green" wrote in message
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michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some
of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Yes, I was going to ask that, a mole plough would probably do it more
cheaply. Do you really want the paving slabs on top?

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On 20/09/2020 17:46:59, Chris Green wrote:
Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Yes, I was going to ask that, a mole plough would probably do it more
cheaply. Do you really want the paving slabs on top?


All down to cost I suspect.. how much is a moling operation for a
day? Must be more than aman&adigger?

I bought a mole plough a few months ago, it cost £320. You do of
course need a tractor to drag it through the ground.

Not all moles are made the same. When I heard mole I immediately thought
of the pneumatic variety:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moling

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Jimk wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Theo wrote:
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Would there be that much, given it's only a pipe and cable in the trench?


Your trusty building knowledge coming to the fore again Duhve?

Oh, I'm quite sure the likes of you would simply shovel it back in and
wonder why there was lots left over.

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"Theo" wrote in message ...

Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to dig
about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and some
SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Thanks
Theo

================================================== ===========

Hire a "Ditch Witch" or similar trenching machine. Most plant hire places
will have one.

https://www.ditchwitch.co.uk/products-hire.php

But does it have to be as deep as 1 metre? Most trenches are 18" to 24", and
if you laying paving slaps over it the cable/pipes are going to be
protected.

When I was working we would normally use cable ploughs such as
https://www.atpcableplough.com/cable-plough/ but we were doing much longer
runs than 15m. The cost of laying a ploughed fibre optic cable (including
cable and warning tape) was about 10 quid per metre. The plus point about
the plough is that you don't have to remove spoil or backfill.

https://www.atpcableplough.com/cable-plough/

On 20/09/2020 18:16, Alan wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 13:11:34 +0100, Jimk wrote:

Theo Wrote in message:
Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to
dig about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes
and some SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Please tell us where you can get a digger, and driver to work it, for
£300 a day. We've recently paid £600 in Leics. for a similar thing.

#well last time I used one it was £60 a day.

But that was around 2000.

I do know that a mini digger is about £100 a day and a labourer is
around £200 round here.

It'd be 2 days work to dig/ finish and make good.
If it can be done for less than £1000, I'd be surprised.
And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

Shouldn't be much excess soil. you aren't putting much extra there
compared to what is to be removed. Raised flower bed?


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o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

You don't even need a pencil and paper or calculator to calculate
the exact volume; you can get a rough approximation in your head.

2 x15 metre lengths of 32mm pipe = 1 x 30 metre length of 32mm pipe.

If this is cut into 30 1 metre lengths that gives a 5 x 6 bundle of
I mtr pipe lengths, Which will be 5 X 32mm = 152mm on one side
and 6x 32mm = 192mm on the other side.

Although as always I stand to be corrected and clearly the actual
volume will be somewhat smaller.

I also asked about the diameter as I'd remembered a technique
I devised decades ago for restricting the roots of a plum tree
which are given to putting out suckers.
Basically this consisted in driving strips of plywoood into the ground
using a sledgehammer. Those didn't have to be removed whereas
these would, possibly using levers inserted through holes. But
32mm is probably pushing it.,


michael adams

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"Alan" wrote in message
o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

You don't even need a pencil and paper or calculator to calculate
the exact volume; you can get a rough approximation in your head.

2 x15 metre lengths of 32mm pipe = 1 x 30 metre length of 32mm pipe.

If this is cut into 30 1 metre lengths that gives a 5 x 6 bundle of
I mtr pipe lengths, Which will be 5 X 32mm = 152mm on one side
and 6x 32mm = 192mm on the other side.

Although as always I stand to be corrected

5 X 32mm = 160 mm might be a start. But you get the general
idea.

and clearly the actual
volume will be somewhat smaller.

I also asked about the diameter as I'd remembered a technique
I devised decades ago for restricting the roots of a plum tree
which are given to putting out suckers.
Basically this consisted in driving strips of plywoood into the ground
using a sledgehammer. Those didn't have to be removed whereas
these would, possibly using levers inserted through holes. But
32mm is probably pushing it.,


michael adams

...

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wrote:


"Theo" wrote in message ...

Any ideas roughly what it would cost (in Cambridgeshire, heavy clay) to
dig about 15m of trench to a depth of 1m, bury insulated water pipes and
some SWA, backfill and put paving slabs on top?

Beyond 'hire a mini digger and DIY', where I'd probably spend most of the
time failing to drive the digger...

Thanks Theo

When I moved into this house (in 1977) I dug a trench of about that size by
hand, You need a "trenching spade". The fun bit was the ridge of ironstone
part way along.

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In article ,
michael adams wrote:

"Alan" wrote in message
o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

The soil you remove will have been compressed. You won't get that
compreession when you return it.



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Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Yes, I was going to ask that, a mole plough would probably do it more
cheaply. Do you really want the paving slabs on top?


All down to cost I suspect.. how much is a moling operation for a
day? Must be more than aman&adigger?

I bought a mole plough a few months ago, it cost £320. You do of
course need a tractor to drag it through the ground.

A mole plough isn't one of those self propelled undeground guided
missile things. It's something you drag behind a tractor with a sort
of 'bullet' at the bottom of a blade and a pipe that runs down to the
'bullet' that you feed a pipe into. A quick 'net search will show you
what it is.

Mine has saved me much digging and money burying both MDPE water pipes
and Cat5e cables.


Over 15m distances? I bet a tractor up to that will be 4m long
itself...?

I've done shorter than 15 metres, I think the shortest is probably
about 5 metres. I have a Kubuta STV36 compact tractor and it has no
problem at all pulling the mole plough.

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On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:33:58 +0100, michael adams wrote:

If this is cut into 30 1 metre lengths that gives a 5 x 6 bundle
of
I mtr pipe lengths, Which will be 5 X 32mm = 152mm on one side
and 6x 32mm = 192mm on the other side.

Although as always I stand to be corrected

5 X 32mm = 160 mm might be a start. But you get the general
idea.

and clearly the actual volume will be somewhat smaller.

Maybe, depends on how well compacted the backfilling of the disturbed
soil from the trench is and probably what that soil type is. I can
imagine compacting a heavy clay is somewhat harder than a lighter
sandier soil.

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idual.net...
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:33:58 +0100, michael adams wrote:

If this is cut into 30 1 metre lengths that gives a 5 x 6 bundle
of
I mtr pipe lengths, Which will be 5 X 32mm = 152mm on one side
and 6x 32mm = 192mm on the other side.

Although as always I stand to be corrected

5 X 32mm = 160 mm might be a start. But you get the general
idea.

and clearly the actual volume will be somewhat smaller.

Maybe, depends on how well compacted the backfilling of the disturbed
soil from the trench is and probably what that soil type is. I can
imagine compacting a heavy clay is somewhat harder than a lighter
sandier soil.

In the absence of any actual experience I'd probably do it in a number
of layers working up and down the trench 4 or 5 times and compacting
it with a length of 4 X 2 (along with thick gloves) as I went.

Then into the car and down to the gym so as to get full value for
the extortrionate annual fee. Not.


michael adams

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"charles" wrote in message
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In article ,
michael adams wrote:

"Alan" wrote in message
o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

The soil you remove will have been compressed. You won't get that
compreession when you return it.

That would depend on how wide the trench was in the first place.
Clearly if it was uneccessarily wide, simply so as to accommodate
two 32mm cables run one on top of the other, then that would simply
be creating unesssary work. Whereas a much narrower trench would
require much less work achieveable with the end of hefty length
of 4x2.

michael adams

....









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Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
Jimk wrote:
Chris Green Wrote in message:
michael adams wrote:

"Theo" wrote in message
...
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

So what diameter are these pipes exactly ?

Yes, I was going to ask that, a mole plough would probably do it more
cheaply. Do you really want the paving slabs on top?


All down to cost I suspect.. how much is a moling operation for a
day? Must be more than aman&adigger?

I bought a mole plough a few months ago, it cost £320. You do of
course need a tractor to drag it through the ground.

A mole plough isn't one of those self propelled undeground guided
missile things. It's something you drag behind a tractor with a sort
of 'bullet' at the bottom of a blade and a pipe that runs down to the
'bullet' that you feed a pipe into. A quick 'net search will show you
what it is.

Mine has saved me much digging and money burying both MDPE water pipes
and Cat5e cables.


Over 15m distances? I bet a tractor up to that will be 4m long
itself...?

I've done shorter than 15 metres, I think the shortest is probably
about 5 metres. I have a Kubuta STV36 compact tractor and it has no
problem at all pulling the mole plough.


How deep?

I think it's the 'standard' half a metre or so, thinking about what it
looks like (can't be bothered to go and measure it) probably a bit
more, 60-65cm?

Obviously you don't sink to that depth instantly, it wouldn't be very
useful if you did, pipes and cables have to have a gradient from where
they enter the ground.

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In article ,
michael adams wrote:

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article ,
michael adams wrote:

"Alan" wrote in message
o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

The soil you remove will have been compressed. You won't get that
compreession when you return it.

That would depend on how wide the trench was in the first place.
Clearly if it was uneccessarily wide, simply so as to accommodate
two 32mm cables run one on top of the other, then that would simply
be creating unesssary work. Whereas a much narrower trench would
require much less work achieveable with the end of hefty length
of 4x2.

That's the advantage of a trenching spade - it's only 3½ inches wide at
the bottom

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Dave Liquorice writes
On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 08:33:58 +0100, michael adams wrote:

If this is cut into 30 1 metre lengths that gives a 5 x 6 bundle
of
I mtr pipe lengths, Which will be 5 X 32mm = 152mm on one side
and 6x 32mm = 192mm on the other side.

Although as always I stand to be corrected

5 X 32mm = 160 mm might be a start. But you get the general
idea.

and clearly the actual volume will be somewhat smaller.

Maybe, depends on how well compacted the backfilling of the disturbed
soil from the trench is and probably what that soil type is. I can
imagine compacting a heavy clay is somewhat harder than a lighter
sandier soil.

Groundworks contractor I use reckons dug soil bulks by a factor of 3
(Herts.) Clearly returned soil will be partly re-compacted.


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On Mon, 21 Sep 2020 09:41:49 +0100, Chris Green wrote:

Obviously you don't sink to that depth instantly, it wouldn't be very
useful if you did, pipes and cables have to have a gradient from where
they enter the ground.

Is the latter because the electricity has to run downhill? :-)

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Mark wrote:
why do you want to put paving slabs on top ?

Because there are currently broken paving slabs on top. If digging anyway
it would be nice to replace them with ones with decent foundations. It also
means access is possible in future if needed.

While I'm creeping this scope, it might be nice to install fresh water and
drains too...
(and I'd like a pony for Christmas)

have you considered a Moling Services you only need to dig two holes

Given the amount of prep you'd need for a mole, does that work out cheaper
than just digging a trench for this distance?

I'm not sure a mole allows much space for lagging of the pipe (32mm is the
pipe diameter, but it needs lagging outside of that).

Theo

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Jimk wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Jimk wrote:
"Dave Plowman (News)" Wrote in message:
In article ,
Theo wrote:
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Would there be that much, given it's only a pipe and cable in the trench?


Your trusty building knowledge coming to the fore again Duhve?

Oh, I'm quite sure the likes of you would simply shovel it back in and
wonder why there was lots left over.


Thank Google you caught up Duhve!

Perhaps we'll find an opening for your cough "waterproof" mortar
in the thread :-what with your knowledge & experience etc etc....
:-D:-D

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charles wrote:
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"Alan" wrote in message
o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

The soil you remove will have been compressed. You won't get that
compreession when you return it.

Not if you simply shovel it back in, no.

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On 21/09/2020 08:51, charles wrote:
In article ,
michael adams wrote:

"Alan" wrote in message
o.uk...


And as you say, there will be excess soil to get rid of, so maybe a skip
or 2 at £200 each.

The excess soil will be the same volume as the cable being laid
unless its being backfilled with gravel or similar.

The soil you remove will have been compressed. You won't get that
compreession when you return it.


No, you get more. There is still a shallow ditch in my lawn where a
mains feed was laid.


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Theo wrote:


I'm not sure a mole allows much space for lagging of the pipe (32mm is the
pipe diameter, but it needs lagging outside of that).


At 1m depth surely its frost free (or are you piping hot water)?

Tim




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Tim+ wrote:
Theo wrote:


I'm not sure a mole allows much space for lagging of the pipe (32mm is the
pipe diameter, but it needs lagging outside of that).


At 1m depth surely its frost free (or are you piping hot water)?

Hot water (and return).

Theo

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Theo wrote:
Jimk wrote:
If you've got it all ready?
depending on access, a man & machine £300/day, a day to dig, lay
backfill?
Where does excess spoil go?

Thanks. Spoil would likely need to be removed - can probably use some of it,
but not a great deal.

Would there be that much, given it's only a pipe and cable in the trench?


Your trusty building knowledge coming to the fore again Duhve?

Oh, I'm quite sure the likes of you would simply shovel it back in and
wonder why there was lots left over.


Thank Google you caught up Duhve!

Perhaps we'll find an opening for your cough "waterproof" mortar
in the thread :-what with your knowledge & experience etc etc....
:-D:-D

****ed at this time of the morning Jim? Seek help.


I don't drink Duhve.

So how do you explain your inability to spell a common name? That stinks
of brain damage due to alcohol abuse.

Yet more of your armchair expertise coming through?

Did you believe mortar was waterproof when you rebuilt your roof
parapet? Oopsy!

As does that. You really should seek help.

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Jimk wrote:
So how do you explain your inability to spell a common name? That
stinks of brain damage due to alcohol abuse.

You mean Duhve Duhve?
Just my invention - it suits you don't you think? Duh?

Ah - you invent your own words, then?

More signs of brain damage. You really should seek treatment.

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