We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

On 13/07/2020 21:20:26, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

Some apps gobble up power, even on standby. This might not be a battery
issue.

NOt really, I guess one thing may cause it, if you are in a poor area, then
the power from the phone may need to be higher to talk to the tower.

Apple now are open about this aspect of battery protection. They have it in
the settings.
Brian

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"newshound" wrote in message
o.uk...
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to find
it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two I'm
getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the brand new
battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

On 13 Jul 2020 at 21:33:55 BST, "Fredxx" wrote:

On 13/07/2020 21:20:26, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

Some apps gobble up power, even on standby. This might not be a battery
issue.

Indeed - following an 'update' one app (Al Jazeera) chose to update in the
background. This alone used 40% of battery. Doesn't your phone have a utility,
showing battery health and usage?

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On 13/07/2020 21:33, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/07/2020 21:20:26, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but
I have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

Some apps gobble up power, even on standby. This might not be a battery
issue.

Fair comment but I have not added any apps and I don't think I have even
had updates on potentially troublesome ones. Also, I went through
exactly the same process with an earlier phone.

That said, it is something that gets raised on the Lenovo support site
with no clear suggestions apart from resetting and cycling the battery.
They also suggest the battery power algorithm can sometimes go funny. I
could believe that since when I put in a new battery last night it
showed 66%, I charged it to 100% and then a few minutes off charge
without any overt use it was down at 80%.

I'm going to reset the old body and swap the SIM and memory over to that
to see what happens next!

On 13/07/2020 21:20, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?


Could it be the battery management is on the phone and not part of the
replacement battery. The management system may have to be reset with the
replacement battery.

Google for
"moto g5 battery calibration"
which may, or may not, help with the problem.

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On 14/07/2020 09:04:01, newshound wrote:
On 13/07/2020 21:33, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/07/2020 21:20:26, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but
I have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

Some apps gobble up power, even on standby. This might not be a
battery issue.

Fair comment but I have not added any apps and I don't think I have even
had updates on potentially troublesome ones. Also, I went through
exactly the same process with an earlier phone.

Sometimes apps are downloaded without being obvious. Updates can also
affect performance.

That said, it is something that gets raised on the Lenovo support site
with no clear suggestions apart from resetting and cycling the battery.
They also suggest the battery power algorithm can sometimes go funny. I
could believe that since when I put in a new battery last night it
showed 66%, I charged it to 100% and then a few minutes off charge
without any overt use it was down at 80%.

I'm going to reset the old body and swap the SIM and memory over to that
to see what happens next!

There are apps, native to the phone or downloadable, that inform you of
which apps consume battery power.

Without that information at hand we are all the in dark as to the cause.

On Tue, 14 Jul 2020 09:04:01 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 13/07/2020 21:33, Fredxx wrote:
On 13/07/2020 21:20:26, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but
I have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

Some apps gobble up power, even on standby. This might not be a battery
issue.

Fair comment but I have not added any apps and I don't think I have even
had updates on potentially troublesome ones. Also, I went through
exactly the same process with an earlier phone.

That said, it is something that gets raised on the Lenovo support site
with no clear suggestions apart from resetting and cycling the battery.
They also suggest the battery power algorithm can sometimes go funny. I
could believe that since when I put in a new battery last night it
showed 66%, I charged it to 100% and then a few minutes off charge
without any overt use it was down at 80%.

I'm going to reset the old body and swap the SIM and memory over to that
to see what happens next!

Have you looked at what apps have access to your location? I believe
this is a common suspect.

On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

I find the rate of discharge varies considerably - both on Android and on IOS.

The effect of wifi and 3G/4G is very noticeable. Some days the 3G/4G signal shows as being poorer (weather? something getting in the way? maintenance? interference?) and I see battery discharge being much faster.

But the biggest single issue seems to be software - updates, apps that keep connecting to things, etc. I find that doing a restart is often the simplest way forward and, having done that, see how it goes only using necessary apps and in a decent reception location.

"polygonum_on_google" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

I find the rate of discharge varies considerably - both on Android and on
IOS.

The effect of wifi and 3G/4G is very noticeable. Some days the 3G/4G signal
shows as being poorer (weather? something getting in the way? maintenance?
interference?) and I see battery discharge being much faster.

But the biggest single issue seems to be software - updates, apps that keep
connecting to things, etc. I find that doing a restart is often the simplest
way forward and, having done that, see how it goes only using necessary apps
and in a decent reception location.


I have a Huawei P6 Plus (circa 2014) and a Huawei P30 Pro (recent) and they
both hold there charges very well. Most locations I visit, the phones
connect by wifi rather that cellular. I connect to China twice a day for at
least hour total using a video link. The P6 has never updated it's operating
system, so is stuck with Android 4.4 (KitKat).....this restricts many new
programs from running, hence the P30 acquisition.

"polygonum_on_google" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

I find the rate of discharge varies considerably - both on Android and on
IOS.

The effect of wifi and 3G/4G is very noticeable. Some days the 3G/4G signal
shows as being poorer (weather? something getting in the way? maintenance?
interference?) and I see battery discharge being much faster.

But the biggest single issue seems to be software - updates, apps that keep
connecting to things, etc. I find that doing a restart is often the simplest
way forward and, having done that, see how it goes only using necessary apps
and in a decent reception location.


I have a Huawei P6 Plus (circa 2014) and a Huawei P30 Pro (recent) and they
both hold there charges very well. Most locations I visit, the phones
connect by wifi rather that cellular. I connect to China twice a day for at
least hour total using a video link. The P6 has never updated it's operating
system, so is stuck with Android 4.4 (KitKat).....this restricts many new
programs from running, hence the P30 acquisition.

On 15/07/2020 09:00, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

I find the rate of discharge varies considerably - both on Android and on IOS.

The effect of wifi and 3G/4G is very noticeable. Some days the 3G/4G signal shows as being poorer (weather? something getting in the way? maintenance? interference?) and I see battery discharge being much faster.

But the biggest single issue seems to be software - updates, apps that keep connecting to things, etc. I find that doing a restart is often the simplest way forward and, having done that, see how it goes only using necessary apps and in a decent reception location.


Yes, currently going through that process. I'm lucky in a sense in that
I have two phone bodies and three batteries. I'm using AccuBattery to
review battery performance but of course that is not smart enough to
recognise a battery swap in its "history". It's reporting a battery that
has only ever been used a couple of times as only having 13% of its
nominal capacity. Waiting for reports on the other batteries.

Either all the batteries are right down on capacity like this, or
there's something buggy in the phone battery management software. I'll
have a phone reporting 80% capacity and ten minutes later it shuts down
on zero battery. But give it five minutes charge and it claims to be 60%.

Almost makes me wonder if there is some built in obsolescence there. For
a lot of people with a non-removable battery if a phone 1-2 years old
reports a sick battery they will just replace it.

I bought the first phone in Aug 2017 and replaced the battery (making no
difference) in Feb 2019. So I bought another of the same model and
that's just gone the same way. 18 months and then 17 months.

Ordered a Huawei in case the Motos are dead. If I keep working through
the manufacturers like this I'm going to have to end up with an iPhone.

Built in obsolescence is a bit of a daft philosopy IMHO. I am *never*
going to buy another piece of Google hardware after battles with two
Pixel C's.

On Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:38:44 UTC+1, Sid wrote:
"polygonum_on_google" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
We all know how Apple supposedly crank down the speed of their older
phones to help compensate for reducing battery capacity with age, but I
have a different problem. I had a Moto G5 which started to show low
battery life (barely a day) with my standard useage. No problem, this
phone has a removable battery so bought new (genuine) battery only to
find it did not cure the problem.

Conclusion, maybe something failing in the hardware causing increase
battery drain. Bought new phone, same model. Now, after a year or two
I'm getting exactly the same symptoms on the new phone. Just put the
brand new battery in, with the old one back on charge in the old body.

Seems like an odd problem. Any ideas?

I find the rate of discharge varies considerably - both on Android and on
IOS.

The effect of wifi and 3G/4G is very noticeable. Some days the 3G/4G signal
shows as being poorer (weather? something getting in the way? maintenance?
interference?) and I see battery discharge being much faster.

But the biggest single issue seems to be software - updates, apps that keep
connecting to things, etc. I find that doing a restart is often the simplest
way forward and, having done that, see how it goes only using necessary apps
and in a decent reception location.


I have a Huawei P6 Plus (circa 2014) and a Huawei P30 Pro (recent) and they
both hold there charges very well. Most locations I visit, the phones
connect by wifi rather that cellular. I connect to China twice a day for at
least hour total using a video link. The P6 has never updated it's operating
system, so is stuck with Android 4.4 (KitKat).....this restricts many new
programs from running, hence the P30 acquisition.

My current Android phone is a Samsung Tab! Being so large, it has a big battery which lasts ages. Mind, it doesn't fit in any pockets (except those really big ones on outdoor garments).

On Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:40:59 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 15/07/2020 09:00, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:

Yes, currently going through that process. I'm lucky in a sense in that
I have two phone bodies and three batteries. I'm using AccuBattery to
review battery performance but of course that is not smart enough to
recognise a battery swap in its "history". It's reporting a battery that
has only ever been used a couple of times as only having 13% of its
nominal capacity. Waiting for reports on the other batteries.

Either all the batteries are right down on capacity like this, or
there's something buggy in the phone battery management software. I'll
have a phone reporting 80% capacity and ten minutes later it shuts down
on zero battery. But give it five minutes charge and it claims to be 60%.

Classic symptoms of a near dead battery.
You can get grade C batteries for a few quid. How much charge they hold is a gamble.


NT

On 15/07/2020 11:19, wrote:
On Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:40:59 UTC+1, newshound wrote:
On 15/07/2020 09:00, polygonum_on_google wrote:
On Monday, 13 July 2020 21:20:27 UTC+1, newshound wrote:

Yes, currently going through that process. I'm lucky in a sense in that
I have two phone bodies and three batteries. I'm using AccuBattery to
review battery performance but of course that is not smart enough to
recognise a battery swap in its "history". It's reporting a battery that
has only ever been used a couple of times as only having 13% of its
nominal capacity. Waiting for reports on the other batteries.

Either all the batteries are right down on capacity like this, or
there's something buggy in the phone battery management software. I'll
have a phone reporting 80% capacity and ten minutes later it shuts down
on zero battery. But give it five minutes charge and it claims to be 60%.

Classic symptoms of a near dead battery.
You can get grade C batteries for a few quid. How much charge they hold is a gamble.


NT

A second (used) battery is showing the same result so I am inclined to
agree. The only slightly odd thing is that I also got the same symptom
from a brand new battery 18 months ago. This *appeared* to be a genuine
motorola battery, identical to the phone one. Admittedly from eBay but
from a seller with 15000 sales and 99.9% feedback. About £15 with
postage so not a suspicious price. Maybe I'll take a punt on another
battery now that I have an app that will monitor it.