Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

"Mike McLeod" wrote in message
...
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

Does the rear face have holes in it top and bottom? They look like some sort
of support (eg for a shelf) which is screwed to the wall and then has a tab
(for supporting something) that can be moved up and down to one of several
pre-defined positions.

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


Shelf supports?

Mike McLeod wrote :
We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

They look like adjustable shelf brackets.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:35:53 +0100, GB
wrote:

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


Shelf supports?

They'd never be strong enough! Far too easily bent with the fingers
alone. Here's the same item from some other angles:

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da0/

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63d9f/

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63d9e/

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


They are going rusty, so never intended for external use.

Did you have any alcoves fitted with adjustable shelves ?.
These are the sort of things that might be fixed to the sides
of the alcove, then plastered so the toothy side is flush with the
surface. The little ears support the shelves abut can by moved up and
down.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:44:26 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote:

Mike McLeod wrote :
We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

They look like adjustable shelf brackets.

Yes, in the photos, but if you could pick one up and handle it, you'd
immediately see how thin and flimsy it is. One thing I can say for
certain is that they are NOT anything to do with shelving!

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:48:41 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


They are going rusty, so never intended for external use.

Did you have any alcoves fitted with adjustable shelves ?.
These are the sort of things that might be fixed to the sides
of the alcove, then plastered so the toothy side is flush with the
surface. The little ears support the shelves abut can by moved up and
down.

The photos make it look much bigger and more substantial than it
really is. I just weighed one: 19 grams! It's not going to hold up
much, is it?

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

four drawer filing cabinet runners ??????...no idea

On 18/06/2020 11:56, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:48:41 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


They are going rusty, so never intended for external use.

Did you have any alcoves fitted with adjustable shelves ?.
These are the sort of things that might be fixed to the sides
of the alcove, then plastered so the toothy side is flush with the
surface. The little ears support the shelves abut can by moved up and
down.

The photos make it look much bigger and more substantial than it
really is. I just weighed one: 19 grams! It's not going to hold up
much, is it?

And at 6" that is not much of a shelf bracket!

They look like they are (poorly) galvanised?

How thick are they front to back?

It looks like the clip inside the channel can be slid into a number of
positions - is that correct?

Do you think they are something the builders brought and used, or were
they pulled out of the existing building from somewhere?

I was thinking about some kind of brick tie or insulation retaining clip...



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On 18/06/2020 12:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

four drawer filing cabinet runners ??????...no idea

When is the Antiques Roadshow in town next ?.

"Mike McLeod" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:44:26 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote:

Mike McLeod wrote :
We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

They look like adjustable shelf brackets.

Yes, in the photos, but if you could pick one up and handle it, you'd
immediately see how thin and flimsy it is. One thing I can say for
certain is that they are NOT anything to do with shelving!

The spring clip on the rear face is designed to slot over something, and
there's only one hole for screwing the device to a wall.

I wonder if they were designed to be used in compression: two of them
opposite each other, exactly the same distance apart as some panel/shelf
between them - pushing inwards but not taking much weight downwards.

Could they have supported a (vertical) plasterboard wall panel or the edges
of a (horizontal) plasterboard ceiling panel that is also nailed to rafters
closer to the centre of the panel.

On 18/06/2020 11:51, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:44:26 +0100, Harry Bloomfield, Esq.
wrote:

Mike McLeod wrote :
We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

They look like adjustable shelf brackets.

Yes, in the photos, but if you could pick one up and handle it, you'd
immediately see how thin and flimsy it is. One thing I can say for
certain is that they are NOT anything to do with shelving!

Might they be something nailed to block or wood work to support plaster
or even renderable mesh?


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On 18/06/2020 12:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

four drawer filing cabinet runners ??????...no idea

https://www.toolstation.com/ball-bea...4aAlEQEALw_wcB

nah

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


were they doing brickwork ?...nah that stuff doesn't go rusty like that
is .....


https://www.google.com/search?q=some...78003825753314

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:04:29 +0100, John Rumm
wrote:

On 18/06/2020 11:56, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:48:41 +0100, Andrew
wrote:

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


They are going rusty, so never intended for external use.

Did you have any alcoves fitted with adjustable shelves ?.
These are the sort of things that might be fixed to the sides
of the alcove, then plastered so the toothy side is flush with the
surface. The little ears support the shelves abut can by moved up and
down.

The photos make it look much bigger and more substantial than it
really is. I just weighed one: 19 grams! It's not going to hold up
much, is it?

And at 6" that is not much of a shelf bracket!

Quite!


They look like they are (poorly) galvanised?

Nope. No galvanisation.


How thick are they front to back?

I've had a proper measure up:

Overall length: 143mm
Width: 15mm
Depth: 7mm
Thickness of steel used: 0.020"

It looks like the clip inside the channel can be slid into a number of
positions - is that correct?

Correct. You can press it down, slide it up and down and release it
and there's a tang on one side that lodges in one of the square holes.
Only on one side, though, curiously.

Do you think they are something the builders brought and used, or were
they pulled out of the existing building from somewhere?

No idea to be honest.

On 18/06/2020 12:35, Mike McLeod wrote:
Correct. You can press it down, slide it up and down and release it
and there's a tang on one side that lodges in one of the square holes.
Only on one side, though, curiously.

I wonder if its for keying blockwork to a timber frame?


I've seen houses built with ply and timber frame structure that is
covered with a membrane, then tags are nailed through to the ply and the
thing is skinned with brick


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€• Jean Claud Jüncker

They are wall starters used to key brickwork projecting at 90deg to an existing wall avoiding the need to chop out bricks to key in the wall. The bits that look like shelf supports that have bent should be at right angles and fit in between brick courses.

Here is an example;

https://www.screwfix.com/p/sabrefix-...-10-pack/37171

Richard

On 18/06/2020 12:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/06/2020 12:35, Mike McLeod wrote:
Correct. You can press it down, slide it up and down and release it
and there's a tang on one side that lodges in one of the square holes.
Only on one side, though, curiously.

I wonder if its for keying blockwork to a timber frame?


I've seen houses built with ply and timber frame structure that is
covered with a membrane, then tags are nailed through to the ply and the
thing is skinned with brick


Might it have been something to do with packaging of delivered products,
like something to tension those nylon straps. Discarded when the
product has been unwrapped?

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On 18/06/2020 12:53, Chris B wrote:
On 18/06/2020 12:41, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/06/2020 12:35, Mike McLeod wrote:
Correct. You can press it down, slide it up and down and release it
and there's a tang on one side that lodges in one of the square holes.
Only on one side, though, curiously.

I wonder if its for keying blockwork to a timber frame?


I've seen houses built with ply and timber frame structure that is
covered with a membrane, then tags are nailed through to the ply and
the thing is skinned with brick


Might it have been something to do with packaging of delivered products,
like something to tension those nylon straps.Â* Discarded when the
product has been unwrapped?

Or some of theses

https://www.bing.com/images/search?v...=45&ajaxhist=0



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Andrew wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


They are going rusty, so never intended for external use.

How does that follow? :-)

You can buy *loads* of stuff intended for outdoor use that doesn't
even bother to provide galvanised nails or screws, let alone stainless
ones. Our 'outdoor' barbecue is going rusty (except the bit I
repainted), all the screws and nails in our sheds are rusting away (I
didn't buy the sheds, I am replacing screws with stainless ones).
Etc., etc., etc.

I've even had to replace the non stainless screw in the garage door
opener keypad. All beautifully sealed and weatherproof but the cover
is held on with a non-stainless screw - madness.

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On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

They are wall starters used to key brickwork projecting at 90deg to an existing wall avoiding the need to chop out bricks to key in the wall. The bits that look like shelf supports that have bent should be at right angles and fit in between brick courses

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

On 18/06/2020 13:07, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

They are wall starters used to key brickwork projecting at 90deg to an existing wall avoiding the need to chop out bricks to key in the wall. The bits that look like shelf supports that have bent should be at right angles and fit in between brick courses

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

They are though

When used with timber frame even a 6" nail knocked in is enough to key
brickwork.

They only need absorb a little shear force


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Tricky Dicky Wrote in message:
They are wall starters used to key brickwork projecting at 90deg to an existing wall avoiding the need to chop out bricks to key in the wall. The bits that look like shelf supports that have bent should be at right angles and fit in between brick courses.

Here is an example;

https://www.screwfix.com/p/sabrefix-...-10-pack/37171

Richard


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Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

Have you had a look at the Screwfix example? Having used some in the past I can tell you they are not particularly substantial, the vertical pieces need to be able to give a little to accommodate unevenness in the existing wall and as a result the bracket part has to be flexible enough to be held level. As Jim kindly pointed out they are off cuts of wall starters.

Richard

I cannot see the pictures, but way back in the mists of my memory, one
company also made facia covers for their brackets out of springy metal that
hid the bare metal underneath. You could get them in many colours.
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Mike McLeod wrote :
We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

They look like adjustable shelf brackets.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

Have you had a look at the Screwfix example? Having used some in the past I can tell you they are not particularly substantial, the vertical pieces need to be able to give a little to accommodate unevenness in the existing wall and as a result the bracket part has to be flexible enough to be held level. As Jim kindly pointed out they are off cuts of wall starters.

Yes, I did check your link, but these are not remotely the same, I'm
afraid - aside from which there were no new walls built. This was just
a re-roofing job.

Roofing job you say? When your new tiles (or slates) arrived on
pallets, they were probably lashed together using straps or bandings.
Could this be a clasp from one of those straps?

On 18/06/2020 14:09, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

Have you had a look at the Screwfix example? Having used some in the past I can tell you they are not particularly substantial, the vertical pieces need to be able to give a little to accommodate unevenness in the existing wall and as a result the bracket part has to be flexible enough to be held level. As Jim kindly pointed out they are off cuts of wall starters.

Yes, I did check your link, but these are not remotely the same, I'm
afraid - aside from which there were no new walls built. This was just
a re-roofing job.

what was the roof roofed with?
Could be slate hangers


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On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:09:55 +0100, Andrew wrote:

On 18/06/2020 12:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

four drawer filing cabinet runners ??????...no idea

When is the Antiques Roadshow in town next ?.

Well, not much came of that excercise.

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:37:25 +0100, Cursitor Doom wrote:

Roofing job you say? When your new tiles (or slates) arrived on pallets,
they were probably lashed together using straps or bandings.
Could this be a clasp from one of those straps?

Nobody nose...

On 18/06/2020 13:19, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/06/2020 13:07, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 04:52:38 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

They are wall starters used to key brickwork projecting at 90deg to
an existing wall avoiding the need to chop out bricks to key in the
wall. The bits that look like shelf supports thatÂ* have bent should
be at right angles and fit in between brick courses

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

They are though

When used with timber frame even a 6" nail knocked in is enough to key
brickwork.

They only need absorb a little shear force



The ones in the picture are not stainless steel or galvanised,
so definately not wall starters or timber-framing cladding

On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 14:53:47 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 18/06/2020 14:09, Mike McLeod wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

Have you had a look at the Screwfix example? Having used some in the past I can tell you they are not particularly substantial, the vertical pieces need to be able to give a little to accommodate unevenness in the existing wall and as a result the bracket part has to be flexible enough to be held level. As Jim kindly pointed out they are off cuts of wall starters.

Yes, I did check your link, but these are not remotely the same, I'm
afraid - aside from which there were no new walls built. This was just
a re-roofing job.

what was the roof roofed with?

Concrete tiles (Marley).

On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/


I think they're parts of a drawer runner. They're possibly not load
bearing, they just hold bearings or rollers in place between two
structural runners, one attached to the frame and one to the drawer.

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On 18/06/2020 13:02, Jimk wrote:
Tricky Dicky Wrote in message:
They are wall starters used to key brickwork projecting at 90deg to an existing wall avoiding the need to chop out bricks to key in the wall. The bits that look like shelf supports that have bent should be at right angles and fit in between brick courses.

Here is an example;

https://www.screwfix.com/p/sabrefix-...-10-pack/37171

Richard


Offcuts of...

Or, could they be designed as an accessory for a wall starter like:

https://bricky.com/media_category/wa...kit/#iLightbox[postimages]/3

Just designed to clip onto already fitted starters and hold one end of a
brick line?


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Mike McLeod wrote:

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for

https://google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=wall+starter

"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2020 12:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

four drawer filing cabinet runners ??????...no idea

https://www.toolstation.com/ball-bea...4aAlEQEALw_wcB

Those are much more than 6" long.

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"Mike McLeod" wrote in message
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2020 05:25:05 -0700 (PDT), Tricky Dicky
wrote:

Not *remotely* robust enough for that sort of job, I'm afraid.

Have you had a look at the Screwfix example? Having used some in the past
I can tell you they are not particularly substantial, the vertical pieces
need to be able to give a little to accommodate unevenness in the existing
wall and as a result the bracket part has to be flexible enough to be held
level. As Jim kindly pointed out they are off cuts of wall starters.

Yes, I did check your link, but these are not remotely the same, I'm
afraid - aside from which there were no new walls built. This was just
a re-roofing job.

Then likely just from the new tiles etc stacked on pallets etc.

On Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:19:55 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 18/06/2020 12:03, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 18/06/2020 11:20, Mike McLeod wrote:
Hi all,

We found these things lying around after the builders left and were
wondering what they're for and what they are. Does anyone recognize
them? They're just under 6" long and made from some fairly tinny
metal.

Thanks.

https://yandex.com/collections/card/...f33bbb2c63da1/

four drawer filing cabinet runners ??????...no idea

https://www.toolstation.com/ball-bea...4aAlEQEALw_wcB

Those are much more than 6" long.

I don't know why these drawer runners and wall-starters are even being
suggested, given it was a new roof job didn't involve either!