Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil

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On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.

No, you don't.
What you *need* is O level physics.


Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil



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I've never had much luck, trees tend to just grow around things like fences
and ropes, including them inside their trunks. If something is growing in a
certain direction its probably light related.
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On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.

No, you don't.
What you *need* is O level physics.


Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil



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Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

I've never had much luck, trees tend to just grow around things like
fences and ropes, including them inside their trunks.

But arent hard to grow the way you want
them too, most obviously with bonsai etc.

If something is growing in a certain direction its probably light related.

Much more often it’s the wind.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.

No, you don't.
What you *need* is O level physics.


Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil



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always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of
them"

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

I've never had much luck, trees tend to just grow around things like
fences and ropes, including them inside their trunks.

But arent hard to grow the way you want
them too, most obviously with bonsai etc.

....and the pathological auto-contradicting continues...

If something is growing in a certain direction its probably light related.

Much more often it¢s the wind.

....and the pathological auto-contradicting continues...

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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

I would have thought you just want to tie into a loop of some sort and
then do a half hitch to lock it off?

So imagine you put a bowline in the end of your rope and passed it
round the apple tree. Then took the free end round the base of the
beach and back to your bowline. Pass the free end though your loop,
pull it back towards you and then lock it off with said half hitch on
the part going back to the beech.

Better might be to put some sort of strop / cambian saver round each
tree and do similar with that. If you can't get sufficient purchase,
you can either pass it round more times (between the strops, assuming
a reasonably open 'D' on the ends of the strops) or you can work the
inter tree part sideways and then take up the slack as you allow it to
straighten again.

If you need more power still you can get rope / pulley engine hoists
pretty cheap (use that to generate the tension and then lock it off
with another rope and take the hoist away).

Cheers, T i m

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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

I would have thought you just want to tie into a loop
of some sort and then do a half hitch to lock it off?

You'd be wrong. The truckers hitch lets you get a lot more
tension on the rope and is much easier to adjust over time too.

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On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 09:31:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"T i m" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

I would have thought you just want to tie into a loop
of some sort and then do a half hitch to lock it off?

You'd be wrong.

And you are a ****. Seriously Rod, aren't there any Auz based forums
you could hit with your peanut gallery comments, or do you do that as
well? ;-(

Not that it will have any bearing on you because you are such a left
brainers but I have spent much of my life in boats, surrounded by
sheets, painters, mooring lines (head (painter)/ breast / aft springs)
and halyards and when daughter was doing Tree Surgery, used all sorts
of ropes (for climbing and pulling), winches and straps, helping her
on the bigger jobs.

OOI, Did you ever live in the UK or have ever been here?

The truckers hitch lets you get a lot more
tension on the rope and is much easier to adjust over time too.

A truckers hitch offers no more tension that a looped rope an would
offer less if the single part of the rope was on it's strength limits
(compared with two parts).

Cheers, T i m

In message , T i m
writes
Snip
The truckers hitch lets you get a lot more
tension on the rope and is much easier to adjust over time too.

A truckers hitch offers no more tension that a looped rope an would
offer less if the single part of the rope was on it's strength limits
(compared with two parts).

er.. I think he is correct!

I never learned to do them but my father was an adept.

You gain more mechanical advantage by doubling the final loop.
Potentially x2 but some extra frictional losses.

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On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 15:18:47 +0100, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , T i m
writes
Snip
The truckers hitch lets you get a lot more
tension on the rope and is much easier to adjust over time too.

A truckers hitch offers no more tension that a looped rope an would
offer less if the single part of the rope was on it's strength limits
(compared with two parts).

er.. I think he is correct!

No, he's knot mate. ;-)

I never learned to do them but my father was an adept.

As am I.

You gain more mechanical advantage by doubling the final loop.

Not compared with a double loop in the first place you can't (as I
suggested and he was countering)?

Potentially x2 but some extra frictional losses.

There are more frictional looses with my loop (round both trees as the
tension in both parts try to even out) but more strength / capability
in the bond because it has two parts over the entire path (for the
same spec rope etc). That means you could apply twice the tension
between the trees with two parts than one. ;-)

So he was saying a single line tied to the tree one and with his loop
at the other with a truckers hitch in one loop (where that bit is two
parts) offers greater mechanical advantage than when the rope itself
is passed round both trees and the same tension is applied in one (of
the two) parts (as with the truckers hitch)?

He is incorrect (as usual). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

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On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 09:31:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

I would have thought you just want to tie into a loop
of some sort and then do a half hitch to lock it off?

You'd be wrong.

reams of your **** flushed where it belongs

The truckers hitch lets you get a lot more tension on
the rope and is much easier to adjust over time too.

A truckers hitch offers no more tension that a looped rope

Wrong. It is in fact the equivalent of a block and
tackle system done entirely with just the one rope.

an would offer less if the single part of the rope was
on it's strength limits (compared with two parts).

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 09:31:43 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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"T i m" wrote in message
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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

I would have thought you just want to tie into a loop
of some sort and then do a half hitch to lock it off?

You'd be wrong.

reams of your **** flushed where it belongs

Pathetic coward.

The truckers hitch lets you get a lot more tension on
the rope and is much easier to adjust over time too.

A https://m.facebook.com/video_redirec...52&__tn__=FH-R offers no more tension that a looped rope

Wrong. It is in fact the equivalent of a block and
tackle system done entirely with just the one rope.

I know, I can use Wiki as well as you.

So, try to explain how a loop formed on the end of a single part and
tied to the loose end of a complete loop around both trees, tensioned
and tied off is any different to a single rope with a loop and a
truckers hitch?

Good luck with that.

an would offer less if the single part of the rope was
on it's strength limits (compared with two parts).

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

And you are still a sad and pathetic loser.

Cheers, T i m

On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?


I've tied 2 of the knots suggested in the distant past when helping
relatives on HGVs or trying single rope caving techniques. But in the
21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and buy a heavy
ratchet strap. Another possibility is a self-locking belay device on
the rope. The latter is pricier but allows you to use the rope on
pulleys to get mechanical advantage. Then again, they probably cost
more than 2 or 3 ratchet straps which you can use in parallel.



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On 04/04/2020 22:34, Robin wrote:
On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
Â* gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
Â* rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
Â* bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
Â* appropriate knot please?


I've tied 2 of the knots suggested in the distant past when helping
relatives on HGVs or trying single rope caving techniques.


But in the
21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and buy a heavy
ratchet strap.


+1

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On 05/04/2020 06:59:37, ARW wrote:
On 04/04/2020 22:34, Robin wrote:
On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
Â* gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
Â* rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
Â* bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
Â* appropriate knot please?


I've tied 2 of the knots suggested in the distant past when helping
relatives on HGVs or trying single rope caving techniques.


But in the 21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and
buy a heavy ratchet strap.


+1

And the webbing is wider than rope and so cut into the tree much less.

I was also thinking spreading out the force with multiple straps rather
than through a single contact point. Again causing less damage.

On 05/04/2020 06:59, ARW wrote:
On 04/04/2020 22:34, Robin wrote:


But in the 21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and
buy a heavy ratchet strap.


+1


I agree and a 5tonne rated one only costs about a tenner.

It also has the benefit of spreading the load on the beech (or was it
shingle) the disadvantage is the fairly limited movement.

Personally I would protect both trees from the rope with something to
spread the load without constricting stems and use two poles to make a
simple flipflop winch and tie one pole off to the standing line when tight.

Not knowing the reason for the tree leaning makes me a bit worried
anything will accomplish the desired effect.

On Sun, 5 Apr 2020 21:38:27 +0100, AJH
wrote:

On 05/04/2020 06:59, ARW wrote:
On 04/04/2020 22:34, Robin wrote:


But in the 21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and
buy a heavy ratchet strap.


+1


I agree and a 5tonne rated one only costs about a tenner.

It also has the benefit of spreading the load on the beech (or was it
shingle) the disadvantage is the fairly limited movement.

Personally I would protect both trees from the rope with something to
spread the load without constricting stems and use two poles to make a
simple flipflop winch and tie one pole off to the standing line when tight.

Not knowing the reason for the tree leaning makes me a bit worried
anything will accomplish the desired effect.

He gave us the reason though didn't he (probably after you posted)?
The beech canopy was over-shielding the apple and so it grew towards
the light and (so) away from the beech.

That's why the reduced canopy beech can now make a suitable anchor
point to "encourage" the apple back up again. ;-)

IMO, The best time to do any of this would be starting when the sap is
in full flow so when the leaves start to form. Before that the wood
wouldn't be as moist, would be more brittle and so may break
(depending on the size and age of the tree and the tension applied
etc).

So, a widish strop round both trees, wide enough to spread the tension
reasonably but not so wide as to make nice habitat for creatures /
damp into that area and with just enough tension to 'encourage' (as
the OP says) the tree in the desired direction.

A mate did this exact same thing with his (12 year old, 8" diameter
trunk, 6' to the first limb) apple (but to a post hammered in as an
anchor), some old car seatbelts to form the loop and a Spanish
Windlass to provide the tension .... and a couple of years later, the
tree was back upright again.

Before that, the end of one of the two opposing lower limbs was nearly
touching the ground.

Cheers, T i m

On 05/04/2020 23:14, T i m wrote:
He gave us the reason though didn't he (probably after you posted)?
The beech canopy was over-shielding the apple and so it grew towards
the light and (so) away from the beech.

Doomed to failure then without some excavation. It would make more sense
to heavily prune the downward side of the apple and let nature take its
course, accepting a sloping stem.

BTW carter's hitch is 3:1 because you lie off the tail on the load hook
giving 3 tensioned ropes attached to the single. I used it enough before
ratchet straps became ubiquitous.

On 05/04/2020 06:59, ARW wrote:
On 04/04/2020 22:34, Robin wrote:
On 04/04/2020 21:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
Â* gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
Â* rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
Â* bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
Â* appropriate knot please?


I've tied 2 of the knots suggested in the distant past when helping
relatives on HGVs or trying single rope caving techniques.


But in the 21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and
buy a heavy ratchet strap.


+1


+2

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On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 14:01:27 +0100, Roger Mills
wrote:

snip

But in the 21st century unless pennies are tight I'd say sod that and
buy a heavy ratchet strap.


+1


+2

Except not what the OP was asking about. It was a question about
knots, not pulling devices (as he already has a winch). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil


Two lengths of strong rope. Long enough to make a loop round one tree an
reach almost to the other one.

Place side by side, overlapping, so you have a long twin section. At each
end of the twin section, knot the ropes together. Best way is to form a
loop an tie a knot with the free end. A sheep shank should be ok. You
should end up with a twin section and two ends to make loops.

Tie loop around each tree- cloth or hose to protect trees is a good idea.
Pull centre section as tight as you can initially.

To tighten further you need a bit of wood, place between twin ropes and
twist them together. To maintain tension, lash / peg wood in place.

On Saturday, 4 April 2020 22:54:12 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil


Two lengths of strong rope. Long enough to make a loop round one tree an
reach almost to the other one.

Place side by side, overlapping, so you have a long twin section. At each
end of the twin section, knot the ropes together. Best way is to form a
loop an tie a knot with the free end. A sheep shank should be ok. You
should end up with a twin section and two ends to make loops.

Tie loop around each tree- cloth or hose to protect trees is a good idea.
Pull centre section as tight as you can initially.

To tighten further you need a bit of wood, place between twin ropes and
twist them together. To maintain tension, lash / peg wood in place.

The correct solution.

Jonathan

On 06/04/2020 14:14, Jonathan wrote:
On Saturday, 4 April 2020 22:54:12 UTC+1, Brian Reay wrote:
thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil


Two lengths of strong rope. Long enough to make a loop round one tree an
reach almost to the other one.

Place side by side, overlapping, so you have a long twin section. At each
end of the twin section, knot the ropes together. Best way is to form a
loop an tie a knot with the free end. A sheep shank should be ok. You
should end up with a twin section and two ends to make loops.

Tie loop around each tree- cloth or hose to protect trees is a good idea.
Pull centre section as tight as you can initially.

To tighten further you need a bit of wood, place between twin ropes and
twist them together. To maintain tension, lash / peg wood in place.

The correct solution.

Jonathan




It is just an adaptation of what is/was traditionally used in fencing- I
can't claim to have invented it.

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan
wrote:

snip

Two lengths of strong rope. Long enough to make a loop round one tree an
reach almost to the other one.

Place side by side, overlapping, so you have a long twin section. At each
end of the twin section, knot the ropes together. Best way is to form a
loop an tie a knot with the free end. A sheep shank should be ok. You
should end up with a twin section and two ends to make loops.

Tie loop around each tree- cloth or hose to protect trees is a good idea.
Pull centre section as tight as you can initially.

To tighten further you need a bit of wood, place between twin ropes and
twist them together. To maintain tension, lash / peg wood in place.

The correct solution.

I wouldn't say it was necessarily more correct than any other solution
that answered the OP's question. ;-)

I have used a 'Spanish Windless' for all sorts of things, the most
memorable was a jury-rigged fix to put the trunnion back together on
my Morris Minor van to be able to drive home. ;-)

Cheers, T i m.

On 06/04/2020 14:53, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 06:14:45 -0700 (PDT), Jonathan
wrote:

snip

Two lengths of strong rope. Long enough to make a loop round one tree an
reach almost to the other one.

Place side by side, overlapping, so you have a long twin section. At each
end of the twin section, knot the ropes together. Best way is to form a
loop an tie a knot with the free end. A sheep shank should be ok. You
should end up with a twin section and two ends to make loops.

Tie loop around each tree- cloth or hose to protect trees is a good idea.
Pull centre section as tight as you can initially.

To tighten further you need a bit of wood, place between twin ropes and
twist them together. To maintain tension, lash / peg wood in place.

The correct solution.

I wouldn't say it was necessarily more correct than any other solution
that answered the OP's question. ;-)

I have used a 'Spanish Windless' for all sorts of things,

Interesting, I didn't know it had a name.

It is just something I saw somewhere, probably decades ago, possibly in
the Scouts.

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 16:46:28 +0100, Brian Reay wrote:

snip


I have used a 'Spanish Windless' for all sorts of things,

Interesting, I didn't know it had a name.

Just something I learned from my Dad when I was a kid and helping him
on various woodwork projects. ;-)

Whilst he had some pretty long sash cramps, there were times when they
weren't long enough and I clearly remember helping him rig and use
'Spanish Windlass's' to hold / pull stuff together whilst gluing etc.
I also remember they could be pretty powerful and I have used them
several times since on all sorts of things.

It is just something I saw somewhere, probably decades ago, possibly in
the Scouts.

Yeah, possibly ... they used to do useful things in those days (and
you could carry a large knife). ;-)

The other handy trick (back to the Truckers / Dolly hitch) is pulling
on the standing parts to get some tension in the system whilst taking
up any slack on the loop.

Dad used to be in the 'Lifting gear' game and used to get webbing
products made for all sorts of tasks (suspending dinghy's from the
roof of the garage, holding loads on roof-racks and in trailers etc).

He had some long seat belt type straps with self locking friction
buckles that were both soft and flexible yet very strong and held very
well.

One day a mate and I were going RC power boating and had a small
flatbed type truck on the roof of his Dolomite Sprint, to help us get
all our gear to the side of the lake.

We were stopped by a random Police check and after looking round the
car in general he said 'I'm just going to check the security of the
load on your roof rack. I can remember to this day feeling the car
rocking from side to side till he eventually stopped and obviously out
of breath, told us to be on our way. ;-)

I think those straps could hold a tonne each and I'd nipped them up
properly. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

"thescullster" wrote in message
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Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve

Yes.

and suggest the appropriate knot please?

The best approach is the truckers knot
used to tie down loads. Main problem
with it is that it doesn't have just one
name and you really need a video of
how to do it rather than just a picture.

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trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

"thescullster" wrote in message
...
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve

Yes.

and suggest the appropriate knot please?

The best approach is the truckers knot
used to tie down loads.

It would be a great way to fix your senile gob, every time you try to open
it and make you shut up for good, although a simple rope around your neck
would definitely be the preferred method.

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several wraps of carpet around the trees to protect them from the ropes destroying the bark and tree,

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On Saturday, April 4, 2020 at 9:38:41 PM UTC+1, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil

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On 05/04/20 06:38, thescullster wrote:
Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil

angle grinder
Cut a notch in the tree

Use one rope, tie as tight as you can.
Then another rope to get it tighter.
Then back to the first rope

George Miles Wrote in message:
Use one rope, tie as tight as you can.Then another rope to get it tighter.Then back to the first rope

Hey Guys

Thanks to all respondents.

To fill in one or two gaps here...

The reason for the tie is to encourage the tree back vertical.
It has been under the spreading canopy of a copper beach tree and
dived off to one side in search of light.
The copper canopy has gone so hopefully the apple tree will head
back vertical anyway.

For those suggesting more than rope tensioning, I do have a 3/4
tonne pull lift somewhere, but wanted to take a more gentle
approach.

I have used one of the more basic trucker's hitch configurations.
I say more basic, cos it seems you can increase the number of
lower rope parts and reduce the effort needed. As my anchor is
round the base of a tree, I think friction would negate any
benefit that might bring.

I'd like to say I will commit this knot to memory, but every year
that seems an increasingly unlikely state of affairs.

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"George Miles" wrote in message
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Use one rope, tie as tight as you can.
Then another rope to get it tighter.
Then back to the first rope

Hopeless compare with a truckers hitch or a ratchet strap.

On Mon, 6 Apr 2020 05:11:05 +1000, John_j, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

Use one rope, tie as tight as you can.
Then another rope to get it tighter.
Then back to the first rope

Hopeless compare with a truckers hitch or a ratchet strap.

You can shove your truckers hitch up yours, just like everything else,
cretin!

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On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 22:07:13 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

Hi all

I am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.
There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the
rope tie.

What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to
bend the tree.
Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the
appropriate knot please?

Thanks

Phil

Not sure I see exactly what you're looking for, but look at these -

Garda hitch (needs karabiners but you may be able to improvise)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_hitch

or Trucker's hitch https://www.animatedknots.com/truckers-hitch-knot ?

Whilst that would work and we don't know the whole story (size of
trees, amount of tension required / acceptable, distance between the
trees) I was thinking two parts between the tree would likely offer
more capacity in the rope?

If the distance between the trees was sufficient I wonder if a weight
of some sort tied midway between the trees would act as an automatic
tensioner? Old car tyre laid flat on a sheet of polythene then filled
with concrete and a metal loop forming an anchor point set in at the
same time?

Cheers, T i m

T i m Wrote in message:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 22:07:13 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00), wrote:Hi allI am trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by gradually pulling it over.There is a copper beach tree nearby to act as the anchor for the rope tie.What I need is a knot that can take up slack as I pull hard to bend the tree.Anyone understand what I am trying to achieve and suggest the appropriate knot please?ThanksPhilNot sure I see exactly what you're looking for, but look at these - Garda hitch (needs karabiners but you may be able to improvise)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_hitch or Trucker's hitch https://www.animatedknots.com/truckers-hitch-knot ?Whilst that would work and we don't know the whole story (size oftrees, amount of tension required / acceptable, distance between thetrees) I was thinking two parts between the tree would likely offermore capacity in the rope?If the distance between the trees was sufficient I wonder if a weightof some sort tied midway between the trees would act as an automatictensioner? Old car tyre laid flat on a sheet of polythene then filledwith concrete and a metal loop forming an anchor point set in at thesame time?Cheers, T i m

Thanks guys

Think I'll try and get to grips with Chris's Trucker's hitch.
A single part rope is fine, but it does take some effort to get
movement from the apple tree trunk.
Just need a means of taking up and securing the slack while
maintaining the tension.

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In message , thescullster
writes
T i m Wrote in message:
On Sat, 04 Apr 2020 22:07:13 +0100, Chris Hogg
wrote:On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 21:38:37 +0100 (GMT+01:00),
wrote:Hi allI am
trying to encourage an apple tree in a certain direction by
gradually pulling it over.There is a copper beach tree nearby to act
as the anchor for the rope tie.What I need is a knot that can
take up slack as I pull hard to bend the tree.Anyone understand
what I am trying to achieve and suggest the appropriate knot
please?ThanksPhilNot sure I see exactly what you're looking
for, but look at these - Garda hitch (needs karabiners but you may
be able to improvise)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garda_hitch or
Trucker's hitch https://www.animatedknots.com/truckers-hitch-knot
?Whilst that would work and we don't know the whole story (size
oftrees, amount of tension required / acceptable, distance between
thetrees) I was thinking two parts between the tree would likely
offermore capacity in the rope?If the distance between the trees was
sufficient I wonder if a weightof some sort tied midway between the
trees would act as an automatictensioner? Old car tyre laid flat on a
sheet of polythene then filledwith concrete and a metal loop forming
an anchor point set in at thesame time?Cheers, T i m

Thanks guys

Think I'll try and get to grips with Chris's Trucker's hitch.
A single part rope is fine, but it does take some effort to get
movement from the apple tree trunk.
Just need a means of taking up and securing the slack while
maintaining the tension.

You need something under the rope to protect the bark anyway. If you can
make this *low friction,* more than one loop of rope will give you a
mechanical advantage.

For a *releasable* knot I would use a simple half hitch but leave a loop
in the clamp. I was never a Scout so don't know the terms:-)

Any boatee will know!

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On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 23:22:05 +0100 (GMT+01:00), thescullster
wrote:

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Think I'll try and get to grips with Chris's Trucker's hitch.
A single part rope is fine, but it does take some effort to get
movement from the apple tree trunk.

As you said, you are only going to (try to) 'encourage)' the apple
tree over, any more force than that may damage one tree or the other.

Just need a means of taking up and securing the slack while
maintaining the tension.

If you are pulling a tail of rope though a loop then it's quite easy
to hold the two parts together (tight in one hand) whilst getting a
knot round somewhere. If you do lose a few cm as you do that it should
be an issue in that application, especially if you use a stretchy rope
in the first place?

Cheers, T i m