On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include not being happy being scammed out
on the EU by a minority of the electorate and for no good reason (or
I'm guessing one would have stated it by now)?

A 'pet obsession' being to contest any un-democratic gamble we are
tricked into by a vocal minority, taking advantage of the gullibility
and general ignorance of the great unwashed?

And this *isn't* the same as any general or local election where any
outcome is unlikely to have such a negative impact as Brexit, should
the crossed fingers not work as hoped.

If you have the answer, if you can give me an answer that takes in the
bigger picture and based on fact that shows me (and the other 2/3rd of
the electorate who didn't actually vote to leave), how it's so clear
to you, what we have missed by leaving, I'm sure we would all be very
pleased to find out!

And that means anything you come up with, can't be just as easily
countered by anyone else who knows equally little about it (the bigger
picture) as the vast majority do (and especially those with no
agenda).

The only *principle* we can all probably agree on is that the world is
over populated but a knee-jerk reaction like leaving the EU *now*
isn't necessarily the right way to deal with it (for the UK etc).

'Having full control of our borders' is meaningless if the numbers
continue to rise and we have to make exceptions for all the people we
need, as that's what was actually happening anyway (natural supply and
demand) without all the cost of this extra pointless (therefore,
points) system.

Cheers, T i m

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include not being happy being scammed out
on the EU by a minority of the electorate and for no good reason (or
I'm guessing one would have stated it by now)?

A 'pet obsession' being to contest any un-democratic gamble we are
tricked into by a vocal minority, taking advantage of the gullibility
and general ignorance of the great unwashed?

And this *isn't* the same as any general or local election where any
outcome is unlikely to have such a negative impact as Brexit, should
the crossed fingers not work as hoped.

If you have the answer, if you can give me an answer that takes in the
bigger picture and based on fact that shows me (and the other 2/3rd of
the electorate who didn't actually vote to leave), how it's so clear
to you, what we have missed by leaving, I'm sure we would all be very
pleased to find out!

And that means anything you come up with, can't be just as easily
countered by anyone else who knows equally little about it (the bigger
picture) as the vast majority do (and especially those with no
agenda).

The only *principle* we can all probably agree on is that the world is
over populated but a knee-jerk reaction like leaving the EU *now*
isn't necessarily the right way to deal with it (for the UK etc).

'Having full control of our borders' is meaningless if the numbers
continue to rise and we have to make exceptions for all the people we
need, as that's what was actually happening anyway (natural supply and
demand) without all the cost of this extra pointless (therefore,
points) system.


None of that explains what you are trying to /achieve/ by continuing to
bang on about it in this group.


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On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:43:40 +0000, Robin wrote:

snip

'Having full control of our borders' is meaningless if the numbers
continue to rise and we have to make exceptions for all the people we
need, as that's what was actually happening anyway (natural supply and
demand) without all the cost of this extra pointless (therefore,
points) system.


None of that explains what you are trying to /achieve/ by continuing to
bang on about it in this group.

1) Please learn to snip Robin.
2) Do you think democracy only works on certain days?
3) Have you ever heard of 'cause and effect'?

This whole Brexit mess is just as much a thorn in many peoples sides
as say the FIT or PowerLine adaptors and the fact that it's 'here'
doesn't stop people stating their opinion on it (or 'banging on about
it' in your highly tolerant terminology). You have the power here, you
have an 'off' button.

Had we actioned the democracy we had in place, we would have had an
advisory referendum, done some research and then a full vote on it, we
didn't.

So, if people feel the need to justify why they voted Leave (here),
and others question that POV, isn't that up to them?

Cheers, T i m

On 21/02/2020 16:00, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:43:40 +0000, Robin wrote:

snip

'Having full control of our borders' is meaningless if the numbers
continue to rise and we have to make exceptions for all the people we
need, as that's what was actually happening anyway (natural supply and
demand) without all the cost of this extra pointless (therefore,
points) system.


None of that explains what you are trying to /achieve/ by continuing to
bang on about it in this group.

1) Please learn to snip Robin.
2) Do you think democracy only works on certain days?
3) Have you ever heard of 'cause and effect'?

This whole Brexit mess is just as much a thorn in many peoples sides
as say the FIT or PowerLine adaptors and the fact that it's 'here'
doesn't stop people stating their opinion on it (or 'banging on about
it' in your highly tolerant terminology). You have the power here, you
have an 'off' button.

Had we actioned the democracy we had in place, we would have had an
advisory referendum, done some research and then a full vote on it, we
didn't.

So, if people feel the need to justify why they voted Leave (here),
and others question that POV, isn't that up to them?



AFAICS none of that answers my question.

PS

I did not (and do not) snip as I felt the question required the full
context of your posts.



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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Cheers, T i m

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On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 16:30:28 +0000, Robin wrote:

snip

Had we actioned the democracy we had in place, we would have had an
advisory referendum, done some research and then a full vote on it, we
didn't.

So, if people feel the need to justify why they voted Leave (here),
and others question that POV, isn't that up to them?



AFAICS none of that answers my question.

You do know this is a discussion group don't you Robin?

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 21/02/2020 15:27:07, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include not being happy being scammed out
on the EU by a minority of the electorate and for no good reason (or
I'm guessing one would have stated it by now)?

Yes, that is your pet obsession.

If you feel unhappy, there are drug you can take to combat such a feeling.

snip undemocratic ramblings of a loser

On 21/02/2020 21:26:16, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

This is a DIY group. There is no reason why your obsession should spill
here.

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Denial is another feature of an obsession. If you can't help it and
believe it's someone else's call to pul back your obsession you need help.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

At last.

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:40:13 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 21:26:16, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

This is a DIY group. There is no reason why your obsession should spill
here.

Cause and effect mate.

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Denial is another feature of an obsession.

It takes two (or more), in case you hadn't noticed (hypocrite).

If you can't help it and
believe it's someone else's call to pul back your obsession you need help.

No, it's someone else's option to ignore / killfile me if they don't
like reading what I post.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

At last.

So, the next time you post / reply to anything Brexit related it's ok
for me to try to moderate you?

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:36:14 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27:07, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include not being happy being scammed out
on the EU by a minority of the electorate and for no good reason (or
I'm guessing one would have stated it by now)?

Yes, that is your pet obsession.

Hey, it's good to have a hobby. Unfortunately, my 'obsession' (as you
call it) has only happened as a result of your 'crusade'. ;-(

A crusade you (or any of your cult) have yet to justify. But hey, you
don't have to eh, you won (rolls eyes ... Hmm, so I wonder why you are
still here poking your nose in Brexit discussions you will never
understand ...)?

If you feel unhappy, there are drug you can take to combat such a feeling.

Who said anything about being unhappy (yet another example of a left
brainer making sh1t up)?

snip undemocratic ramblings of a loser

Aww, bless.

Ere, Fedex, what did your Mum tell you, if you can't say something
nice (or with some valid reason), STFU!

Cheers, T i m

On 21/02/2020 21:51:37, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:40:13 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 21:26:16, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

This is a DIY group. There is no reason why your obsession should spill
here.

Cause and effect mate.

The cause is an obsession and the effect is to annoy.

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Denial is another feature of an obsession.

It takes two (or more), in case you hadn't noticed (hypocrite).

I don't recall making a mention of how some don't like democracy.

If you can't help it and
believe it's someone else's call to pul back your obsession you need help.

No, it's someone else's option to ignore / killfile me if they don't
like reading what I post.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

At last.

So, the next time you post / reply to anything Brexit related it's ok
for me to try to moderate you?

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Ah, the sign of one more lost argument.

On 21/02/2020 22:02:10, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:36:14 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27:07, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include not being happy being scammed out
on the EU by a minority of the electorate and for no good reason (or
I'm guessing one would have stated it by now)?

Yes, that is your pet obsession.

Hey, it's good to have a hobby. Unfortunately, my 'obsession' (as you
call it) has only happened as a result of your 'crusade'. ;-(

Care to explain how my crusade has led to your obsession to post
nonsense about democracy?

A crusade you (or any of your cult) have yet to justify. But hey, you
don't have to eh, you won (rolls eyes ... Hmm, so I wonder why you are
still here poking your nose in Brexit discussions you will never
understand ...)?

If you feel unhappy, there are drug you can take to combat such a feeling.

Who said anything about being unhappy (yet another example of a left
brainer making sh1t up)?

You're the one who said, "pet obsession" and "not being happy".

snip undemocratic ramblings of a loser

Aww, bless.

Ere, Fedex, what did your Mum tell you, if you can't say something
nice (or with some valid reason), STFU!

Perhaps if you stopped calling people by childish names like referring
to brain handedness you might get some nice things said about you.
Didn't your mother tell you to be nice to to others and they'll be nice
to you?

On 21/02/2020 21:26, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

Yes, but not here.

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Sure, if all you want to do is **** off those who are prepared to engage
with you on other "on topic" discussions, yup its your call.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Many I already have filtered permenently. Others start new threads
specifically on the topic, and those I can easily ignore. Some posters I
know from reputation will post little that interests me, so I can skip
them regardless of what they post.

You on the other hand seems capable of coherent, intelligent, and
interesting discussion on a range of topics, but with this Tourette's
like need to "tick" into a rant on "Brexiteers this or that", "super
majority the other", and "not proper democracy" at random intervals.
One minute the discussion is smart meters, then all of sudden we have a
diatribe on "those who voted Leave", and I think FFS give it a rest!

For the avoidance of doubt, all the sniping and crowing from others in
the other direction is equally irritating. However if you want to start
anti-brexit threads specifically, then I personally would actually find
that preferable.


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On 22/02/2020 01:56, Fredxx wrote:
On 21/02/2020 21:51:37, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:40:13 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 21:26:16, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post
content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

This is a DIY group. There is no reason why your obsession should spill
here.

Cause and effect mate.

The cause is an obsession and the effect is to annoy.

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Denial is another feature of an obsession.

It takes two (or more), in case you hadn't noticed (hypocrite).

I don't recall making a mention of how some don't like democracy.

If you can't help it and
believe it's someone else's call to pul back your obsession you need
help.

No, it's someone else's option to ignore / killfile me if they don't
like reading what I post.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is
not it.

Agreed.

At last.

So, the next time you post / reply to anything Brexit related it's ok
for me to try to moderate you?

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here,Â* who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Ah, the sign of one more lost argument.

T i m's version of speed's "bull**** your way out.."

On Saturday, 22 February 2020 03:46:42 UTC, John Rumm wrote:

One minute the discussion is smart meters, then all of sudden we have a
diatribe on "those who voted Leave", and I think FFS give it a rest!

+843.

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 01:56:36 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 21:51:37, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:40:13 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

On 21/02/2020 21:26:16, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 21 Feb 2020 20:36:09 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

On 21/02/2020 15:27, T i m wrote:
On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:48:20 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip more weird sh1t from TNP

I am less inclined to do that in this case since he can post content of
interest when distracted from his pet obsessions.

Well, how very gracious of you. ;-)

And by 'pet obsessions' you include...

Yup, that's the stuff. They are topic areas that have been done to
death, positions are entrenched, and no one is listening or attempting
to see the others view point.

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

This is a DIY group. There is no reason why your obsession should spill
here.

Cause and effect mate.

The cause is an obsession and the effect is to annoy.

Excellent. As long as I'm living rent free in your head ...

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Denial is another feature of an obsession.

It takes two (or more), in case you hadn't noticed (hypocrite).

I don't recall making a mention of how some don't like democracy.

Oh whoosh the left brainer ... ;-(

If you can't help it and
believe it's someone else's call to pul back your obsession you need help.

No, it's someone else's option to ignore / killfile me if they don't
like reading what I post.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

At last.

So, the next time you post / reply to anything Brexit related it's ok
for me to try to moderate you?

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Ah, the sign of one more lost argument.

Yeah, of course it is. If that helps you cope mate ...

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:14:27 +0000, Richard
wrote:

snip

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Ah, the sign of one more lost argument.

T i m's version of speed's "bull**** your way out.."

Except Dicky, what Fredex wrote is BS itself so how else could you
answer it?

The point is, I could only take him seriously if it wasn't so obvious
he was a fanatic ... about something that he's unable to demonstrate
isn't just gambling (with other peoples lives) and his guidance merely
voices in *his* head (that or racism etc).

What would be interesting is if just one fanatic could put over some
pro leaving_the_EU fact but for some reason, none ever have??

But hey, mind you don't hurt yourself jumping onto that loony's
bandwagon. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 03:46:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

Yes, but not here.

Ah, just not for me you mean? How many Brexit related threads have I
started here OOI? Is there no other thread drift?

Phrases like flogging a dead horse spring to mind.

But isn't that my call?

Sure, if all you want to do is **** off those who are prepared to engage
with you on other "on topic" discussions, yup its your call.

Thanks.

There may be a good forum for those discussions, but IMHO this is not it.

Agreed.

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Many I already have filtered permenently. Others start new threads
specifically on the topic, and those I can easily ignore. Some posters I
know from reputation will post little that interests me, so I can skip
them regardless of what they post.

Ok ...

You on the other hand seems capable of coherent, intelligent, and
interesting discussion on a range of topics, but with this Tourette's
like need to "tick" into a rant on "Brexiteers this or that", "super
majority the other", and "not proper democracy" at random intervals.

Yup, many here have their 'thing' and mine happens to be that I'm not
willing to roll over and allow people (not just here) think that's
it's now a done deal and that everyone was happy with it, or them (and
especially how it was conducted). The idea that 'we will now all pull
together' re Brexit is pure fantasy.

One minute the discussion is smart meters, then all of sudden we have a
diatribe on "those who voted Leave", and I think FFS give it a rest!

You could also just think, 'hey, he does have a point and is entitled
to his POV' ... and just move on?

For the avoidance of doubt, all the sniping and crowing from others in
the other direction is equally irritating.

Phew, I thought you had lost it there John! There is hope! ;-)

However if you want to start
anti-brexit threads specifically,

I don't ...

then I personally would actually find
that preferable.

How about this. You get (or try to get) all the fanatic Brexiteers to
stop posting *any* Brexit / racist related threads here and I'll have
nothing to reply to (on that)?

Why should it be considered my issue if you happen to not see
(killfiles, or are happy to skip) 'other peoples' pro Brexit / racist
posts but because you see mine, I get the moderation?

Is it that you consider some of my other posts 'coherent, intelligent,
and interesting' but nothing I say re the Brexit debacle is?

Maybe rather than simply trying to silence me on such matters, and
assuming you do consider some of what I say valid, how about saying
so?

Do you realise how much worse it could be if I replied to the crazed
ramblings of whisky-dave or the many faces of the Speed and other such
trolls? ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 02:02:16 +0000, Fredxx wrote:

snip

Hey, it's good to have a hobby. Unfortunately, my 'obsession' (as you
call it) has only happened as a result of your 'crusade'. ;-(

Care to explain how my crusade has led to your obsession to post
nonsense about democracy?

Care to cite anything I've said (often to counter your lies and BS re
Brexit) that isn't true?

A crusade you (or any of your cult) have yet to justify. But hey, you
don't have to eh, you won (rolls eyes ... Hmm, so I wonder why you are
still here poking your nose in Brexit discussions you will never
understand ...)?

If you feel unhappy, there are drug you can take to combat such a feeling.

Who said anything about being unhappy (yet another example of a left
brainer making sh1t up)?

You're the one who said, "pet obsession" and "not being happy".

What, I stated those things out of the blue?

snip undemocratic ramblings of a loser

Aww, bless.

Ere, Fedex, what did your Mum tell you, if you can't say something
nice (or with some valid reason), STFU!

Perhaps if you stopped calling people by childish names like referring
to brain handedness

Then stop acting like a left brainer and demonstrate the slightest
sign of empathy for the POV of others?

you might get some nice things said about you.

And you think I care about that?

Didn't your mother tell you to be nice to to others and they'll be nice
to you?

She did, but re Brexit it's more like standing up to the minority of
bullies that are looking to risk the future for the majority (now and
those who follow) and for reasons you (fanatic Brexiteers) seem to
want to keep to yourselves?

Why don't you post the facts that you *must* be working from where you
can easily demonstrate that Brexit isn't just a racist / crusade /
gamble and maybe I'll be on *your* side?

That or admit that it was just a gamble, remember that you 'won' and
STFU about it and stick to DIY instead? (Difficult I know when the
media cover stuff, typically every time some other thing the fanatic
Brexiteers seem have not realised / considered would happen or simply
don't care about).

Cheers, T i m

On 22/02/2020 14:20, T i m wrote:

She did, but re Brexit it's more like standing up to the minority of
bullies that are looking to risk the future for the majority (now and
those who follow) and for reasons you (fanatic Brexiteers) seem to
want to keep to yourselves?

Why don't you post the facts that you *must* be working from where you
can easily demonstrate that Brexit isn't just a racist / crusade /
gamble and maybe I'll be on *your* side?

That or admit that it was just a gamble, remember that you 'won' and
STFU about it and stick to DIY instead? (Difficult I know when the
media cover stuff, typically every time some other thing the fanatic
Brexiteers seem have not realised / considered would happen or simply
don't care about).

My goodness, you talk some claptrap, don't you.

Is it because you have only the correct half of a brain?

--
Spike

On 22/02/2020 12:41, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:14:27 +0000, Richard
wrote:

snip

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Ah, the sign of one more lost argument.

T i m's version of speed's "bull**** your way out.."

Except Dicky, what Fredex wrote is BS itself so how else could you
answer it?

Hi dick. I see you're managing to alienate more people. Time to look in
the mirror and give that fool a good talking to.

On 22/02/2020 13:16, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 03:46:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

Yes, but not here.

Ah, just not for me you mean? How many Brexit related threads have I
started here OOI?

None - and that is kind of the point - when you do go off on one its
often somewhere where normal people might be lurking, not tucked away in
the deserted landscape of the lone ranting thread filled with trolls and
sock puppets.

Is there no other thread drift?

Indeed... but drift tends to the tangential and random. It does not
always stop at Morris dancing.

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Many I already have filtered permenently. Others start new threads
specifically on the topic, and those I can easily ignore. Some posters I
know from reputation will post little that interests me, so I can skip
them regardless of what they post.

Ok ...

You on the other hand seems capable of coherent, intelligent, and
interesting discussion on a range of topics, but with this Tourette's
like need to "tick" into a rant on "Brexiteers this or that", "super
majority the other", and "not proper democracy" at random intervals.

Yup, many here have their 'thing' and mine happens to be that I'm not
willing to roll over and allow people (not just here) think that's
it's now a done deal and that everyone was happy with it, or them (and
especially how it was conducted). The idea that 'we will now all pull
together' re Brexit is pure fantasy.

Yup, I get that. I appreciate you have a different opinion, and you are
obviously entitled to it. I have even engaged in rational debate with
you on a number of your particular concerns. Having established that we
don't agree on many of these, and that no one seems keen to adjust their
opinion, I am content to forget it and move on, since that is not what I
come hear for.

One minute the discussion is smart meters, then all of sudden we have a
diatribe on "those who voted Leave", and I think FFS give it a rest!

You could also just think, 'hey, he does have a point and is entitled
to his POV' ... and just move on?

I am quite content to do that... I was asking if you could do the same?

For the avoidance of doubt, all the sniping and crowing from others in
the other direction is equally irritating.

Phew, I thought you had lost it there John! There is hope! ;-)

However if you want to start
anti-brexit threads specifically,

I don't ...

then I personally would actually find
that preferable.

How about this. You get (or try to get) all the fanatic Brexiteers to
stop posting *any* Brexit / racist related threads here and I'll have
nothing to reply to (on that)?

But you were not replying to one of those threads, this one was on
electric meters!

There we are discussing smart meters, security, SMETS1, radio comms,
tariffs, power company agenda, what's in it for the consumer, how E7
systems work, and *blam* Morris Dancing!

Why should it be considered my issue if you happen to not see
(killfiles, or are happy to skip) 'other peoples' pro Brexit / racist
posts but because you see mine, I get the moderation?

Perhaps because there is still hope of redemption? :-)

Perhaps "those others" seem better able (generally) to
compartmentalise, managing to concentrate the more obnoxious stuff in
places where its easy enough to avoid, or by being so generally
obnoxious and useless that hiding their entire digital existence carries
no downside from my point of view.

(Now I will concede there are some others one could call out, like Why
TF do people keep responding wodney?)

Is it that you consider some of my other posts 'coherent, intelligent,
and interesting' but nothing I say re the Brexit debacle is?

Its coherent, and intelligent and even interesting the first few times
to understand the thought processes that lead to the conclusions drawn.
Its the repetition way beyond that which becomes tedious.

Maybe rather than simply trying to silence me on such matters, and
assuming you do consider some of what I say valid, how about saying
so?

You know how someone will ask a question relating to a problem with a
computer that also happens to be running Windows? You know that someone
will pipe up with "install Linux" or some such?

You think to yourself, please get a grip on reality - that is not a
useful suggestion, nor an answer to the actual question, and in many
cases not even a desirable or useful thing for the OP to do. But really
you know its just a quasi religious response they feel compelled to do
even though it just annoys any but the true believers.

Do you realise how much worse it could be if I replied to the crazed
ramblings of whisky-dave or the many faces of the Speed and other such
trolls? ;-)

That would be easy in one sense - you could share the bit bucket with
wodney. However it would not do the group any good. There was a time
when the signal to noise ratio here was exceptionally good. There were a
good number of people with deep knowledge, wide interests, doing
interesting stuff. Yes there was lots of thread drift, but quite often
interesting, eye opening, or humorous - you did not have to work that
hard to find stuff to enjoy, or even to skip the small amount of stuff
you did not. That is alas no longer the case. Hence my desire to
encourage folks not to **** into the tent!


--
Cheers,

John.

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On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:41:17 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Ah, just not for me you mean? How many Brexit related threads have I
started here OOI?

None - and that is kind of the point - when you do go off on one its
often somewhere where normal people might be lurking, not tucked away in
the deserted landscape of the lone ranting thread filled with trolls and
sock puppets.

But one scenario doesn't preclude the other. Any thread can be started
by a troll and then joined by one of the more 'normal' posters or visa
versa?

Is there no other thread drift?

Indeed... but drift tends to the tangential and random.

Quite.

It does not
always stop at Morris dancing.

Nor do many threads I join in with, just those that start or get onto
Brexit somehow. However, many threads do stop with other common
subjects that people feel strongly about here?

snip

Yup, many here have their 'thing' and mine happens to be that I'm not
willing to roll over and allow people (not just here) think that's
it's now a done deal and that everyone was happy with it, or them (and
especially how it was conducted). The idea that 'we will now all pull
together' re Brexit is pure fantasy.

Yup, I get that. I appreciate you have a different opinion, and you are
obviously entitled to it. I have even engaged in rational debate with
you on a number of your particular concerns. Having established that we
don't agree on many of these, and that no one seems keen to adjust their
opinion, I am content to forget it and move on, since that is not what I
come hear for.

Agreed, me neither, and certainly wouldn't have been discussing Brexit
here if all the rules (I have complied with for years) hadn't gone out
of the window. And this 'new way' seems to be considered acceptable to
many, the std Patio Chat sorta thing (with the big main restrictions
from all but the trolls).

One minute the discussion is smart meters, then all of sudden we have a
diatribe on "those who voted Leave", and I think FFS give it a rest!

It seems like you have forgotten how / why that happened, here is a
reminder:

Jethro_uk: "How about smart meters that only draw energy from the
suppliers consumers choose ? So if you sign up for a greeny windmill
and solar tariff and it's a dull windless day, your meter delivers
**** all.
*That* would be smart ..."

Me: Excellent idea. ;-)

"We can do the same with those who voted Leave (it's all traceable)
and if it ends up costing all of us, *they* can be taxed to offset the
cost."

Two light hearted responses to situations where people feel the
majority are being penalised by a minority?


You could also just think, 'hey, he does have a point and is entitled
to his POV' ... and just move on?

I am quite content to do that...

I'll look forward to that then. ;-)

I was asking if you could do the same?

Of course, on the points we disagree on etc.

snip

How about this. You get (or try to get) all the fanatic Brexiteers to
stop posting *any* Brexit / racist related threads here and I'll have
nothing to reply to (on that)?

But you were not replying to one of those threads, this one was on
electric meters!

See above.

There we are discussing smart meters, security, SMETS1, radio comms,
tariffs, power company agenda, what's in it for the consumer, how E7
systems work, and *blam* Morris Dancing!

See above.

Why should it be considered my issue if you happen to not see
(killfiles, or are happy to skip) 'other peoples' pro Brexit / racist
posts but because you see mine, I get the moderation?

Perhaps because there is still hope of redemption? :-)

;-)

Perhaps "those others" seem better able (generally) to
compartmentalise, managing to concentrate the more obnoxious stuff in
places where its easy enough to avoid, or by being so generally
obnoxious and useless that hiding their entire digital existence carries
no downside from my point of view.

Generally (understood).

(Now I will concede there are some others one could call out, like Why
TF do people keep responding wodney?)

Good question. Because he's so slippery (in some cases)?
Is there really nowhere else he could go to spray his various persona
and still get the same satisfaction?

Is it that you consider some of my other posts 'coherent, intelligent,
and interesting' but nothing I say re the Brexit debacle is?

Its coherent, and intelligent and even interesting the first few times
to understand the thought processes that lead to the conclusions drawn.

Ok.

Its the repetition way beyond that which becomes tedious.

But I don't think I'm repeating the same stuff to you (I try not to),
partly because you don't tend to repeat the same stuff beyond a
certain point. So if you read my replies to 20 different fanatic
Brexiteers, you *will* see the same reply 20 times? That's not to say
each of those 20 will have seen, remembered or understood it before?

Maybe rather than simply trying to silence me on such matters, and
assuming you do consider some of what I say valid, how about saying
so?

You know how someone will ask a question relating to a problem with a
computer that also happens to be running Windows? You know that someone
will pipe up with "install Linux" or some such?

I do.

You think to yourself, please get a grip on reality - that is not a
useful suggestion, nor an answer to the actual question, and in many
cases not even a desirable or useful thing for the OP to do.

No, but it *could* be, if the OP had never heard of Linux etc?

But really
you know its just a quasi religious response they feel compelled to do
even though it just annoys any but the true believers.

Agreed, that may be their reason for replying like that but it *could*
be useful.

Do you realise how much worse it could be if I replied to the crazed
ramblings of whisky-dave or the many faces of the Speed and other such
trolls? ;-)

That would be easy in one sense - you could share the bit bucket with
wodney.

Ah, no, I really don't want to share *anything* with wodney!

However it would not do the group any good.

Thanks.

There was a time
when the signal to noise ratio here was exceptionally good.

Agreed.

There were a
good number of people with deep knowledge, wide interests, doing
interesting stuff. Yes there was lots of thread drift, but quite often
interesting, eye opening, or humorous - you did not have to work that
hard to find stuff to enjoy, or even to skip the small amount of stuff
you did not.

Agreed.

That is alas no longer the case.

So it seems. ;-(

Hence my desire to
encourage folks not to **** into the tent!

Well, as long as I really am the only one doing so that you think you
can encourage to stop?

It really does take two or more to Tango and I only end up repeating
myself when people come up with different reasons to try to justify
why they feel it's right to **** in the tent.

I don't care what reason they come up with to justify it, when the
solution was to not drink the 10 pints in the first place? Even
further frustrating when they can't explain why they did, especially
when the majority in the pub didn't.

But I'll be watching this space and see if I can help. If only the
request had come from a reminder ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 15:03:04 +0000, Richard
wrote:

On 22/02/2020 12:41, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 09:14:27 +0000, Richard
wrote:

snip

Your idea of your moderation is seen as your obsession.

Aww, bless like a left brainer like you could ever determine such
things (but thanks for playing). ;-)

Ah, the sign of one more lost argument.

T i m's version of speed's "bull**** your way out.."

Except Dicky, what Fredex wrote is BS itself so how else could you
answer it?

Hi dick.

No, for me you would have to say Timmy or Timothy (you don't get this
human stuff do you). ;-(

I see you're managing to alienate more people.

Ok, but that's often what can happen when people don't share the same
principals or care as much about something (or something goes their
way, even if only by underhand tactics). Look at how the minority who
voted Leave have alienated themselves from the other 2/3rds who
didn't. Even between family members? ;-(

Time to look in
the mirror and give that fool a good talking to.

Mine is a one way mirror and you (in particular) are a lost cause.

Cheers, T i m

On 22/02/2020 18:36, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 16:41:17 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:


There was a time

when the signal to noise ratio here was exceptionally good.

Agreed.

That is alas no longer the case.

So it seems. ;-(

Hence my desire to
encourage folks not to **** into the tent!

Well, as long as I really am the only one doing so that you think you
can encourage to stop?

I think this this is much like many a peace process, If enough people
stop shooting, and not giving satisfaction to others still doing it,
there is a chance they might feel less encouraged to carry on.

But I'll be watching this space and see if I can help. If only the
request had come from a reminder ... ;-)

It was a reminder :-)


--
Cheers,

John.

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On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:49:11 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Well, as long as I really am the only one doing so that you think you
can encourage to stop?

I think this this is much like many a peace process, If enough people
stop shooting, and not giving satisfaction to others still doing it,
there is a chance they might feel less encouraged to carry on.

Worth a try I guess. And what of the likes of harry or any other who
just post inflammatory (non d-i-y) material / threads, just killfile /
ignore?

But I'll be watching this space and see if I can help. If only the
request had come from a reminder ... ;-)

It was a reminder :-)

Doh!

Cheers, T i m

In message , T i m
writes
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:49:11 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Well, as long as I really am the only one doing so that you think you
can encourage to stop?

I think this this is much like many a peace process, If enough people
stop shooting, and not giving satisfaction to others still doing it,
there is a chance they might feel less encouraged to carry on.

Worth a try I guess. And what of the likes of harry or any other who
just post inflammatory (non d-i-y) material / threads, just killfile /
ignore?

Ignore. Several years of posters attempting to reason has not worked.
Sit on your hands!

One upside is notification of the latest antipodean incarnation.

But I'll be watching this space and see if I can help. If only the
request had come from a reminder ... ;-)

It was a reminder :-)

Doh!

Cheers, T i m

--
Tim Lamb

On Sun, 23 Feb 2020 09:17:26 +0000, Tim Lamb
wrote:

In message , T i m
writes
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 20:49:11 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:

snip

Well, as long as I really am the only one doing so that you think you
can encourage to stop?

I think this this is much like many a peace process, If enough people
stop shooting, and not giving satisfaction to others still doing it,
there is a chance they might feel less encouraged to carry on.

Worth a try I guess. And what of the likes of harry or any other who
just post inflammatory (non d-i-y) material / threads, just killfile /
ignore?

Ignore. Several years of posters attempting to reason has not worked.

Ok Tim / John. Let's see who gives in first! ;-)

Sit on your hands!

Types, deletes, types, deletes

One upside is notification of the latest antipodean incarnation.

True. He is a strange creature for sure and I wish he could 'get a
life' in Antipodia.

Cheers, T i m

In article , John
Rumm writes
On 22/02/2020 13:16, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 22 Feb 2020 03:46:39 +0000, John Rumm
wrote:
snip

Except at the whole Brexit shambles untangles, new things / points
come up and therefore create new topics of discussion?

Yes, but not here.
Ah, just not for me you mean? How many Brexit related threads have I
started here OOI?

None - and that is kind of the point - when you do go off on one its
often somewhere where normal people might be lurking, not tucked away
in the deserted landscape of the lone ranting thread filled with trolls
and sock puppets.

Is there no other thread drift?

Indeed... but drift tends to the tangential and random. It does not
always stop at Morris dancing.

Now, when I see you trying to moderate all the pro Brexit supporters
here, who are typically the ones starting the new threads on the
subject ...?

Ah, no, sorry, I've just realised why that won't happen ... ;-)

Many I already have filtered permenently. Others start new threads
specifically on the topic, and those I can easily ignore. Some posters I
know from reputation will post little that interests me, so I can skip
them regardless of what they post.
Ok ...

You on the other hand seems capable of coherent, intelligent, and
interesting discussion on a range of topics, but with this Tourette's
like need to "tick" into a rant on "Brexiteers this or that", "super
majority the other", and "not proper democracy" at random intervals.
Yup, many here have their 'thing' and mine happens to be that I'm
not
willing to roll over and allow people (not just here) think that's
it's now a done deal and that everyone was happy with it, or them (and
especially how it was conducted). The idea that 'we will now all pull
together' re Brexit is pure fantasy.

Yup, I get that. I appreciate you have a different opinion, and you are
obviously entitled to it. I have even engaged in rational debate with
you on a number of your particular concerns. Having established that we
don't agree on many of these, and that no one seems keen to adjust
their opinion, I am content to forget it and move on, since that is not
what I come hear for.

One minute the discussion is smart meters, then all of sudden we have a
diatribe on "those who voted Leave", and I think FFS give it a rest!
You could also just think, 'hey, he does have a point and is
entitled
to his POV' ... and just move on?

I am quite content to do that... I was asking if you could do the same?

For the avoidance of doubt, all the sniping and crowing from others in
the other direction is equally irritating.
Phew, I thought you had lost it there John! There is hope! ;-)

However if you want to start
anti-brexit threads specifically,
I don't ...

then I personally would actually find
that preferable.
How about this. You get (or try to get) all the fanatic Brexiteers
to
stop posting *any* Brexit / racist related threads here and I'll have
nothing to reply to (on that)?

But you were not replying to one of those threads, this one was on
electric meters!

There we are discussing smart meters, security, SMETS1, radio comms,
tariffs, power company agenda, what's in it for the consumer, how E7
systems work, and *blam* Morris Dancing!

Why should it be considered my issue if you happen to not see
(killfiles, or are happy to skip) 'other peoples' pro Brexit / racist
posts but because you see mine, I get the moderation?

Perhaps because there is still hope of redemption? :-)

Perhaps "those others" seem better able (generally) to
compartmentalise, managing to concentrate the more obnoxious stuff in
places where its easy enough to avoid, or by being so generally
obnoxious and useless that hiding their entire digital existence
carries no downside from my point of view.

(Now I will concede there are some others one could call out, like Why
TF do people keep responding wodney?)

Is it that you consider some of my other posts 'coherent, intelligent,
and interesting' but nothing I say re the Brexit debacle is?

Its coherent, and intelligent and even interesting the first few times
to understand the thought processes that lead to the conclusions drawn.
Its the repetition way beyond that which becomes tedious.

Maybe rather than simply trying to silence me on such matters, and
assuming you do consider some of what I say valid, how about saying
so?

You know how someone will ask a question relating to a problem with a
computer that also happens to be running Windows? You know that someone
will pipe up with "install Linux" or some such?

You think to yourself, please get a grip on reality - that is not a
useful suggestion, nor an answer to the actual question, and in many
cases not even a desirable or useful thing for the OP to do. But really
you know its just a quasi religious response they feel compelled to do
even though it just annoys any but the true believers.

Do you realise how much worse it could be if I replied to the crazed
ramblings of whisky-dave or the many faces of the Speed and other such
trolls? ;-)

That would be easy in one sense - you could share the bit bucket with
wodney. However it would not do the group any good. There was a time
when the signal to noise ratio here was exceptionally good. There were
a good number of people with deep knowledge, wide interests, doing
interesting stuff. Yes there was lots of thread drift, but quite often
interesting, eye opening, or humorous - you did not have to work that
hard to find stuff to enjoy, or even to skip the small amount of stuff
you did not. That is alas no longer the case. Hence my desire to
encourage folks not to **** into the tent!


John. You are wasting your breath on little Timmie. He is well across
the autistic spectrum and sensible argument carries no weight. I have
largely ceased to bother myself with reading his spouting drivel, along
with Harry's.

--
bert