IE plug internet adaptors, really rubbish wall warts etc, since nowadays
many pieces of equipment like medium wave radios sw radios and the like are
unusable unless you use batteries and sit in the middle of a big field.
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It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
DAB
Internet
Freesat
Freeview
LW, MW and SW.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to wire the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the mains networking than wiring up.

So mains networking allows their smart TV in the lounge to connect to the fibre router in the office upstairs. The distance between the two is less than 10m but just one stone wall blocks the WiFi completely. This is despite living in the countryside and there are no other WiFi networks from neighbours as there aren't any neighbours!

On 12/01/2020 11:16, wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of
people who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
In the car
DAB
Never
Internet
On PCs and customon built Raspberry PI hifi radio/ripped CD player
Freesat
Not currently
Freeview
On the TVs
LW, MW and SW.

Never.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel
well and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is
challenging to wire the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is
actually cheaper to use the mains networking than wiring up.

So mains networking allows their smart TV in the lounge to connect to
the fibre router in the office upstairs. The distance between the two
is less than 10m but just one stone wall blocks the WiFi completely.
This is despite living in the countryside and there are no other WiFi
networks from neighbours as there aren't any neighbours!


I have found power networking to be unreliable and susceptible to mains
trash like CH boiler firing.

Cable it up with ethernet if you want reliability.
Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?



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On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

You're forgetting he has single-handedly designed everything electronic,
installed broadband everywhere, and built his own house from mud and
twigs, ...

On 12/01/2020 12:42, Andrew wrote:
On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

You're forgetting he has single-handedly designed everything electronic,
installed broadband everywhere, and built his own house from mud and
twigs, ...

yep. I pretty much have actually..




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Whish reminds me on a local golf course the patrons were complaining of poor
mobile signals, so they have this artificial tree that houses mobile
aerials. I do despair sometimes.
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On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

You're forgetting he has single-handedly designed everything electronic,
installed broadband everywhere, and built his own house from mud and
twigs, ...

On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

At least, not in old properties!

On 12/01/2020 12:43, newshound wrote:
On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

At least, not in old properties!
Not in stone, no, but if you have a raised floor and drylined walls well
its not impossible...
If the walls are plastered onto the stone, well you need to chip out
channels and re plaster

The ex wanted the TV moved: I lifted the laminate and used an angle
grinder to cut a channel in the screed and buried the coax in that.

I will need to run more cat 5 here soon to replace the mains power link:
that will mean ripping off a few square feet of plasterboard, a very
long drill and replace, skim and paint.

You just have to want to do it properly


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So all this guff from the router makers about fractal aerial design to
improve penetration of walls is rubbish, then they try to sell you a mesh
system instead. They all forget the one major problem with wifi, that being
the return signal from the devices, and how they have no control over that
at all.

I'm not saying that there is not an obvious use case for using the mains,
I'm just saying that its a very very bad idea due to what it does for
interference levels. What you need is some kind of system like a leaky
feeder which you can wrap around the outside of your house.
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On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill

At least, not in old properties!

On 12/01/2020 12:34, Bill Wright wrote:
On 12/01/2020 11:23, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Surely there are underfloor spaces?
Are the stone walls not dry lined with potential cavities behind?




There hand-waves a man who hasn't done much in the way of cable
installation.

Bill
Not as many as you, but more than a dozen


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Not just a case of drilling a solid stone wall.

It also means moving the furniture in upstairs office, lifting the carpet, pulling up floorboards....

Ditto in the master bedroom which is above the room with the smart TV in.

Also lift carpet and floorboards in landing.

The office is above the kitchen which is the room next door to the smart TV.

In a property this old, there is no dry lining so it's all thistle browning and bonding plaster.

All the beams are solid oak.

Too much labour involved to put in 10m of ethernet cable.

Even running ethernet outside is not viable as there is a 10m rum from smart TV to the outside wall and it would have to be weather rated ethernet cable.

So I can see why a 40 quid set of mains ethernet wall warts are cheaper and quicker than both the labour and materials involved in doing the cable run.

P.s. the kitchen floor and the floormof the smart TV room are tiled so have no carpet or laminate or floorboards to put back down either!

On 12/01/2020 20:14, wrote:
Not just a case of drilling a solid stone wall.

It also means moving the furniture in upstairs office, lifting the carpet, pulling up floorboards....

Ditto in the master bedroom which is above the room with the smart TV in.

Also lift carpet and floorboards in landing.

The office is above the kitchen which is the room next door to the smart TV.

In a property this old, there is no dry lining so it's all thistle browning and bonding plaster.

Really ?. It used to be lime plaster mixed with horse hair and cows
****.


All the beams are solid oak.

Join up all the worm holes ? :-)


Too much labour involved to put in 10m of ethernet cable.

Even running ethernet outside is not viable as there is a 10m rum from smart TV to the outside wall and it would have to be weather rated ethernet cable.

So I can see why a 40 quid set of mains ethernet wall warts are cheaper and quicker than both the labour and materials involved in doing the cable run.

When they bought the farmhouse in the 1970s, all the old plaster was falling off.

So it was stripped a d replastered.

wrote:

FM

only during DAB faults

DAB

in the car

Internet
at home this has now become my primary method.

Freesat
Freeview
LW, MW and SW.

almost never

In article ,
wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
Rarely, unless the car radio go to it from DAB

DAB
In the car and on my bedside radio, Also in our sitting room

Internet

Main listening at home

Freesat
No satellite receiver

Freeview

In the kitchen

LW, MW and SW.

I could almost say 'never'.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well
and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to wire
the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the
mains networking than wiring up.

We just have hard bricks - not good for wifi or mobile phones. I have 5
mains network outlets for wifi. Alows SWMBO to use her iPad where ever she
wants.

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In article , charles
scribeth thus
In article ,
wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
Rarely, unless the car radio go to it from DAB

Most all the time..


DAB
In the car and on my bedside radio, Also in our sitting room

Not going to the change the motah just because its not got DAB!..


Internet

Main listening at home

Freesat
No satellite receiver

Freeview

In the kitchen



LW, MW and SW.

I could almost say 'never'.

It will be!, more Medium wave Tx's are being switched off soon
commercial and BBC local!....



I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well
and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to wire
the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the
mains networking than wiring up.

We just have hard bricks - not good for wifi or mobile phones. I have 5
mains network outlets for wifi. Alows SWMBO to use her iPad where ever she
wants.

The main overlooked problem with wi-fi is the limited number of channels
in the 2.4Ghz band tho I did hear that Ofcom are to widen out the 5.8
Ghz band up her the 6 Ghz region...

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Give him a keyboard, and he will reveal himself.

On Sat, 18 Jan 2020 20:40:04 +0000, tony sayer wrote:

LW, MW and SW.

It will be!, more Medium wave Tx's are being switched off soon
commercial and BBC local!....

Oh wonderful FM BBC Radio Cumbria is almost useless on a portable
here and not available down in the town. MW on the other hand works
(until it gets dark...). And considering how bumpy most of Cumbria is
FM is poor over a lot of the county, despite having 6 FM Tx's. It has
3 MW ones, Barrow, Carlisle and Whitehaven.

It also needs to remembered that BBC local stations have an important
role in times of emergency. A role that commercial stations would
struggle or simply not be capable if filling. The local prescence
being little more than the transmitters(s) feed from an automated
playout system the other end of the country.

The main overlooked problem with wi-fi is the limited number of channels
in the 2.4Ghz band ...

Only for those that live packed together like sardines. B-)

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Dave Liquorice wrote:
Oh wonderful FM BBC Radio Cumbria is almost useless on a portable
here and not available down in the town. MW on the other hand works
(until it gets dark...). And considering how bumpy most of Cumbria is
FM is poor over a lot of the county, despite having 6 FM Tx's. It has
3 MW ones, Barrow, Carlisle and Whitehaven.

That would be because you're not packed together like sardines up there?
;-)

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On 12/01/2020 11:16, wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM

95%

DAB

Only for World Service or R6 and couple of
other oddball channels.

Internet

Never, too much faffing about, although the R3 Flac
experiment was interesting.

Freesat

Don't have it

Freeview

Ditto World Service and R6

LW, MW and SW.

World Service is now on DAB and Freeview, so never.

On Sunday, 12 January 2020 11:16:10 UTC, wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM - only during a power cut, on the battery portable.
DAB - daily, this feeds the whole house PA system.
Internet - never
Freesat - hardly ever
Freeview - never
LW, MW and SW - never. Freesat has R4 LW and FM variants if I ever wanted it.

Owain

wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
Mostly, witbh a decent signal it sounds better than DAB

DAB
Sometimes, but only when there's no alternative

Internet
Quite often when I'm sitting in front of my desktop machine

Freesat
Never

Freeview
Rarely

LW, MW and SW.
Probably more than DAB because I listen to R4 LW in France, a car
radio in our boat works rather well.

--
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In article ,
wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
In one car.
DAB
In the other.
Internet
Never
Freesat
Never
Freeview
All radio at home.
LW, MW and SW.
Nothing on that I can't get on the others. So perhaps in the car in an odd
location.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

And how many English radio stations are there now left on LW,MW, and SW?

Most if not all are available on other platforms in better audio quality if not in stereo.....

S.

On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 03:16:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

At home, driving I listen to random tracks from my entire music
collection from my phone via bluetooth

FM
If what I want to listen too is on FM, I'd choose FM.

DAB
Not available.

Internet
Occasionally.

Freesat
Never.

Freeview
Only when checking if the local relay has an issue that needs
reporting to Arqiva.

LW, MW and SW.
Occasionally.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

Depends on what you want to listen too. Some networks are effectively
MW only if you want to listen on the move.

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to
wire the house up with ethernet ...

Nothing a 1 m long 20 mm dia SDS bit and drill won't handle.
BTDTGTTS. Big enough for four CAT5 cables to go through.

... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the mains networking than
wiring up.

I think you mean "less challenging".

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 03:16:08 -0800, stephenten wrote:

It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM DAB Internet Freesat Freeview LW, MW and SW.

FM: Me in the office if I'm upgrading the desktop machine, me in the
workshop (Bosch builder's radion, no DAB), me in the car (mostly)

DAB: SWMBO in the kitchen, me in the car unless in Thanet where I have to
use FM

Internet: me in the office most of the time, in the workshop occaionally

Freeview: in the living room if we want radio, till I fettle the Quad
tuner.

LW, MW, SW: practically never



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On 12/01/2020 11:16, wrote:
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
DAB
Internet
Freesat
Freeview
LW, MW and SW.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

That will be me them. Talk Sport is on MW when I am in the car or the van.





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I think we are making ourselves a serious problem. You are in effect making
a huge chunk of the radio spectrum unusable. Mains cabling was never
designed to be used like this and huge powers are used due to the losses in
the system and interference caused by other devices plugged in.
If you want a cable then run it round outside the building then?

Most of the interference from the plug adaptors is from about 4mhz up to
about 32mhz, they have filters fro the ham radio bands but not for the
international short wave bands. The eternal ticking and screeches even about
200 yds away is ridiculous.
The other problem is the switch mode power supply. In the old days they
were analogue with large heavy transformers but did not create interference.
More usually these days there is a very crude rectifier directly on the
mains running a high frequency oscillator of dubious purity and a tiny
transformer and the other side is then controlled and used to drive your
gear. It is far more efficient and if designed without saturating the
ferrite transformer and with proper suppression components need not be an
issue but it is because they makers pair down the design to such an extent
it is just a jammer. Worst ones are often laptop chargers and some led lamps
from China.
Then there is ADSL once again forcing very high data rates along unscreened
twin wire connections originally designed to only carry voice frequencies.
These produce an alternating whining noise and a hash over the whole lf
bands. When they are underground its not so bad of course.
Brian

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It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who
predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
DAB
Internet
Freesat
Freeview
LW, MW and SW.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well and
(b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to wire the
house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the mains
networking than wiring up.

So mains networking allows their smart TV in the lounge to connect to the
fibre router in the office upstairs. The distance between the two is less
than 10m but just one stone wall blocks the WiFi completely. This is despite
living in the countryside and there are no other WiFi networks from
neighbours as there aren't any neighbours!

Russ Andrews has a 'solution' for that :-)


On 12/01/2020 16:42, Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote:
The other problem is the switch mode power supply. In the old days they
were analogue with large heavy transformers but did not create interference.
More usually these days there is a very crude rectifier directly on the
mains running a high frequency oscillator of dubious purity and a tiny
transformer and the other side is then controlled and used to drive your
gear. It is far more efficient and if designed without saturating the
ferrite transformer and with proper suppression components need not be an
issue but it is because they makers pair down the design to such an extent
it is just a jammer. Worst ones are often laptop chargers and some led lamps
from China.

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

I think we are making ourselves a serious problem.

I don’t.

You are in effect making a huge chunk of the radio spectrum unusable.

That’s bull****. What still uses that radio spectrum
works fine with mains cabling signalling.

Mains cabling was never designed to be used like this

Just as true of the phone cabling which now
gets used for adsl and vdsl and works fine.

and huge powers are used due to the losses in the system

That’s bull****.

and interference caused by other devices plugged in.

In reality it only affects those who use SW and AM MW.

If you want a cable then run it round outside the building then?

Much more convenient to just plug each end into a mains socket.

Most of the interference from the plug adaptors is from about
4mhz up to about 32mhz, they have filters fro the ham radio
bands but not for the international short wave bands.

But hardly anyone uses the international short
wave bands anymore, so that doesn’t matter.

The eternal ticking and screeches even about 200 yds away is ridiculous.

Most don’t see that because you don’t even get
that with the few that use AM MW radio anymore.

The other problem is the switch mode power supply. In the old days they
were analogue with large heavy transformers but did not create
interference.

More usually these days there is a very crude rectifier directly on the
mains running a high frequency oscillator of dubious purity and a tiny
transformer and the other side is then controlled and used to drive your
gear. It is far more efficient and if designed without saturating the
ferrite transformer and with proper suppression components need not be an
issue but it is because they makers pair down the design to such an extent
it is just a jammer.

And the reality is that few are a problem even if you do
still use AM MW and trivial to replace with a better one
if you have a steaming turd of a wall wart, for peanuts.

Worst ones are often laptop chargers

But trivial to replace with a better designed one.

and some led lamps from China.

And trivial to replace with a better designed one.

Then there is ADSL once again forcing very high data rates along
unscreened twin wire connections originally designed to only carry voice
frequencies. These produce an alternating whining noise and a hash over
the whole lf bands. When they are underground its not so bad of course.

And the reality is that it delivered much faster internet
to everyone than the previous modems did and even
those who still use AM MW don’t notice any problem.

wrote in message
...
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who
predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
DAB
Internet
Freesat
Freeview
LW, MW and SW.

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel well
and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging to wire
the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper to use the
mains networking than wiring up.

So mains networking allows their smart TV in the lounge to connect to the
fibre router in the office upstairs. The distance between the two is less
than 10m but just one stone wall blocks the WiFi completely. This is
despite living in the countryside and there are no other WiFi networks
from neighbours as there aren't any neighbours!

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I don¢t.

You mean like sleep, you clinically insane sleepless trolling asshole?

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On Sun, 12 Jan 2020 03:16:08 -0800 (PST), wrote:

It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
DAB
Internet
Freesat
Freeview
LW, MW and SW.

All except DAB and Freeview in my case.
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In article ,
writes
It would actually be interesting to find out the percentages of people
who predominantly listen to radio on:

FM
In wife's car and campervan
DAB
In my Defender and at home.
Internet
Never
Freesat
Never
Freeview
Never
LW, MW and SW.
Occasionally in wife's car and campervan

I suspect the latter will be in single figures.....

My in-laws live in a stone farmhouse where (a) WiFi does not travel
well and (b) has thick stone walls and wood beams so it is challenging
to wire the house up with ethernet..... and (c) it is actually cheaper
to use the mains networking than wiring up.

So mains networking allows their smart TV in the lounge to connect to
the fibre router in the office upstairs. The distance between the two
is less than 10m but just one stone wall blocks the WiFi completely.
This is despite living in the countryside and there are no other WiFi
networks from neighbours as there aren't any neighbours!



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On 12/01/2020 10:11, Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote:
IE plug internet adaptors, really rubbish wall warts etc, since nowadays
many pieces of equipment like medium wave radios sw radios and the like are
unusable unless you use batteries and sit in the middle of a big field.
Brian

much cheapness and convenience for the great unwashed......anyway DAB
is not affected.......but that is for the mindless

To Brian,

In all fairness, I would not like my Freeview or Freesat to be affected in the same way as on LW, MW or SW.

As a born profoundly deaf person, I rely on the subtitles and pictures working just like you rely on radio working as it's our link to the outside world.

So I don't use power line networking at my house and just have the minimum of WiFi so that's just tablets or smartphones.

Everything else is all ethernet wired, even the music systems, all smart TVs, all printers and scanners, all network storage etc.

The loft looks like a data centre server room as a result, with over 64 co-ax cables and over 64 ethernet cables coming in

On 12/01/2020 13:54, wrote:
To Brian,

In all fairness, I would not like my Freeview or Freesat to be affected in the same way as on LW, MW or SW.

As a born profoundly deaf person, I rely on the subtitles and pictures working just like you rely on radio working as it's our link to the outside world.

So I don't use power line networking at my house and just have the minimum of WiFi so that's just tablets or smartphones.

Everything else is all ethernet wired, even the music systems, all smart TVs, all printers and scanners, all network storage etc.

The loft looks like a data centre server room as a result, with over 64 co-ax cables and over 64 ethernet cables coming in

The trouble is putting that in in an existing property that is already
decorated. I have just run ethernet and satellite/TV/FM/DAB cables
upstairs. The only way to do it and keep all those cables hidden neatly
away was while redecorating the hall, stairs and landing and it involved
pulling down the ceiling and putting a new one up afterwards, as the
bathroom floor above is tiled and there is no access from above. I
needed to replace the ceiling anyway due to previous water damage, but
if I hadn't, it'd have been a hell of a lot of work and disruption just
to get signals there that I could have sent there wirelessly.

SteveW

Because it is a convenient way to do things.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

IE plug internet adaptors, really rubbish wall warts etc, since nowadays
many pieces of equipment like medium wave radios sw radios and the like
are unusable unless you use batteries and sit in the middle of a big
field.

That’s only long distance MW which hardly anyone uses anymore.

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On 12/01/2020 16:51, Rod Speed wrote:
Because it is a convenient way to do things.

Brian Gaff (Sofa) wrote

IE plug internet adaptors, really rubbish wall warts etc, since
nowadays many pieces of equipment like medium wave radios sw radios
and the like are unusable unless you use batteries and sit in the
middle of a big field.

That’s only long distance MW which hardly anyone uses anymore.
I must be a hardly anyone .....