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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with
the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and
faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they
represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous
and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant.
He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has
been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and
without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to
represent."

- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

On Sunday, 15 December 2019 17:46:21 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with
the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and
faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they
represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous
and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant.
He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has
been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and
without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to
represent."

- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

1933????????????

harry wrote:

Cursitor Doom wrote:
Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

1933????????????

Yes

http://www.sirjamesgoldsmith.com/timeline

"harry" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 15 December 2019 17:46:21 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern
themselves with
the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives
are distant and
faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown
constituents, they
represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose
lobbyists are numerous
and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or
a civil servant.
He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of
employment and has
been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without
popular mandate and
without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he
falsely purports to
represent."

- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

1933????????????

That's when je was born, stupid.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 13:25:35 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

1933????????????

That's when je was born, stupid.

So, HOW do you "know", senile trolling asshole from Oz? It might just be a
typo. Or DID you know Goldsmith's birthdate, you "all-knowing" senile pest?

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I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern
themselves with
the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives
are distant and
faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown
constituents, they
represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose
lobbyists are numerous
and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or
a civil servant.
He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of
employment and has
been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without
popular mandate and
without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely
purports to
represent."

- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:

I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

No because they all trusted Boris.
I'm reminded of the old Eric Morcombe line.
This boys a fool.
Brian

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On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:

I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

Brian Gaff (Sofa 2) wrote

No because they all trusted Boris.

That’s not how the FPP voting system works.

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On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:

I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 04:51:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


FLUSH Ozzie troll's usual troll****

04:51 in Australia today? Did you "sleep in" today, you abnormal senile
cretin? LOL

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On 16/12/2019 13:56, Pamela wrote:
On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:

I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.


Didn't all those "remain" MPs that changed parties or stood as
independents lose their seats?

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On 18:00 16 Dec 2019, alan_m wrote:
On 16/12/2019 13:56, Pamela wrote:
On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:


I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.


Didn't all those "remain" MPs that changed parties or stood as
independents lose their seats?

I don't think they were standing for BXP or UKIP.

As I recall Farage was going to make the government quake from the massive
popular mandate he expected the BXP to get in the election.

With each passing month Farage's stature shrinks. I used to like him but he
pushes his luck too far.

On 16/12/2019 18:10, Pamela wrote:
On 18:00 16 Dec 2019, alan_m wrote:
On 16/12/2019 13:56, Pamela wrote:
On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:


I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.


Didn't all those "remain" MPs that changed parties or stood as
independents lose their seats?

I don't think they were standing for BXP or UKIP.

As I recall Farage was going to make the government quake from the massive
popular mandate he expected the BXP to get in the election.

He stood down candidates from seats where the Conservatives had a good
chance of winning, so as not to split the vote, so he was hardly trying
to make the government quake.

SteveW

In article ,
Pamela wrote:
With each passing month Farage's stature shrinks. I used to like him
but he pushes his luck too far.

Thought most thinking people saw Farage for the chancer he was from the
start?

Odd isn't it? Corbyn was very good at 'rabble rousing' a crowd. As was
Farage. One gets demonised, the other hero worshipped.

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"alan_m" wrote in message
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On 16/12/2019 13:56, Pamela wrote:
On 07:52 16 Dec 2019, "Brian Gaff \(Sofa 2\)" wrote:

I see Zack lost his seat.
Brian

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.


Didn't all those "remain" MPs that changed parties or stood as
independents lose their seats?

Yep, every single one.

On Tue, 17 Dec 2019 05:51:52 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Didn't all those "remain" MPs that changed parties or stood as
independents lose their seats?

Yep, every single one.

Not a SINGLE ONE talked to you, you senile troll!

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Pamela wrote:

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

You don't think BXP had zero influence though, do you?

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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Pamela wrote:

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

You don't think BXP had zero influence though, do you?

Its far from clear that the votes they did get
was the reason that Labour did so badly or
that LD didnt do any better than they did.

On 20:23 16 Dec 2019, Andy Burns wrote:
Pamela wrote:

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

You don't think BXP had zero influence though, do you?

Boris called Farage's bluff and refused to side with the BXP in the
election. Boris went for all-or-nothing and got it all.

Now he has such a majority that for the next 5 years the ERG and the BXP
will have significantly less influence than under Theresa May.

Boris is at heart a moderate and I suspect he presented a faux hardline
stance on Brexit to mainly satisfy his electoral ambitions.

On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:23:48 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Pamela wrote:

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

You don't think BXP had zero influence though, do you?

LOL! It's pretty clear Pammy doesn't think AT ALL. :-D
The lessons of the outcome of this election have gone right over the
head of a lot of the regulars here. They'll never, ever learn. Dumb as
a box of rocks the lot of 'em! :-D
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"When constituencies are small their elected representatives must concern themselves with
the local interests of their constituents. When political representatives are distant and
faceless, on the other hand, and represent vast numbers of unknown constituents, they
represent not their constituents, but special interest groups whose lobbyists are numerous
and ever present. Typically in Europe a technocrat is an ex-politician or a civil servant.
He is unelected, virtually impossible to dislodge during his term of employment and has
been granted extensive executive and even legislative power without popular mandate and
without being directly answerable to the people whose interests he falsely purports to
represent."

- Sir James Goldsmith (Member of the European Parliament) 1933 - 1997

On 17/12/2019 21:44, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Mon, 16 Dec 2019 20:23:48 +0000, Andy Burns
wrote:

Pamela wrote:

I see the Brexit party and UKIP didn't get a single seat.

You don't think BXP had zero influence though, do you?

LOL! It's pretty clear Pammy doesn't think AT ALL. :-D

That is characteristic of most of the remoan/left supporters.

That is why they need the BBC/Guardian/EU to do their thinking for them
and then tell them what to believe

The lessons of the outcome of this election have gone right over the
head of a lot of the regulars here. They'll never, ever learn. Dumb as
a box of rocks the lot of 'em! :-D


Yup.


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