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My trusty old jump start pack which also has a tyre compressor died.
Didn't owe me anything as it had a lot of use as a compressor over the years. But annoying in that I'd recently fitted a new battery - and it's the gears between the motor and compressor which have stripped. Motor still runs, so I'd guess the compressor seized. One thing that annoyed about it was the useless pressure gauge. So decided on a replacement. Inflator only, so a lot smaller. Bit like a cordless drill. Vast range of models and prices on Ebay. Went for a Blaupunkt. Three times the cost of the cheapest but has an 18v 2 amp.hr battery rather than the cheap ones which all seemed to be 12v 1 amp.hr. But not as expensive as so called 'garage' ones. It works well - quicker than the old one - but the gauge is still poor. About 25% out at 30 psi. Is it really impossible to make a gauge which actually works? In the handbook, they quote the spec. But not the accuracy of the gauge. -- *The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on my list. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Dave Plowman wrote:
the gauge is still poor. About 25% out at 30 psi. Is it really impossible to make a gauge which actually works? I have a halfords one, not exactly the same as they currently sell, but very similar https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/a5EAAOSwSxtd39KW/s-l1600.jpg The digital gauge agrees very well with my simple analogue dial gauge |
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On 07/12/2019 12:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My trusty old jump start pack which also has a tyre compressor died. Didn't owe me anything as it had a lot of use as a compressor over the years. But annoying in that I'd recently fitted a new battery - and it's the gears between the motor and compressor which have stripped. Motor still runs, so I'd guess the compressor seized. With mine it was the piston in the compressor that came loose. So I bought a twenty quid compressor and run it from the 12V socket on the jump start thingy. The gauge is accurate I believe. It's in rough agreement with the one in the £70 inflator I have for the motorhome. Bill |
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On 07/12/2019 12:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
My trusty old jump start pack which also has a tyre compressor died. Didn't owe me anything as it had a lot of use as a compressor over the years. But annoying in that I'd recently fitted a new battery - and it's the gears between the motor and compressor which have stripped. Motor still runs, so I'd guess the compressor seized. One thing that annoyed about it was the useless pressure gauge. So decided on a replacement. Inflator only, so a lot smaller. Bit like a cordless drill. Vast range of models and prices on Ebay. Went for a Blaupunkt. Three times the cost of the cheapest but has an 18v 2 amp.hr battery rather than the cheap ones which all seemed to be 12v 1 amp.hr. But not as expensive as so called 'garage' ones. It works well - quicker than the old one - but the gauge is still poor. About 25% out at 30 psi. Is it really impossible to make a gauge which actually works? In the handbook, they quote the spec. But not the accuracy of the gauge. I bought an electronic gauge from Halfords which has an impressive spec (I forget the details). Assuming it is as good as its spec, the various gauges on the 'cheap' compressors I've compared it with are pretty hopeless. I have an attachment for my 'full size' compressor which is like those you sometimes find in garages etc. It is pretty good although the scale is so small it is rather hard to be sure. (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) |
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On 07/12/2019 15:11, Brian Reay wrote:
(My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) I went for a slightly larger "double piston" compressor for the horsebox (which needs 65 psi). Something a bit like this (sorry about the link). https://smile.amazon.co.uk/TACKLIFE-...%2C156&sr=8-12 |
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On 07/12/2019 17:47, newshound wrote:
On 07/12/2019 15:11, Brian Reay wrote: (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) I went for a slightly larger "double piston" compressor for the horsebox (which needs 65 psi). Something a bit like this (sorry about the link). https://smile.amazon.co.uk/TACKLIFE-...%2C156&sr=8-12 I have a £70 one from Halfords that is absolutely excellent and very fast, and does 75psi with no trouble, but it draws a hell of a lot of current. Bill |
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Brian Reay wrote: I bought an electronic gauge from Halfords which has an impressive spec (I forget the details). Assuming it is as good as its spec, the various gauges on the 'cheap' compressors I've compared it with are pretty hopeless. I have an attachment for my 'full size' compressor which is like those you sometimes find in garages etc. It is pretty good although the scale is so small it is rather hard to be sure. I've got lots of various gauges. But the older pop out type not so easy to read as a decent digital one. Digital one I use now wasn't cheap and actually gave its spec. Of course, not easy to check. (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. -- *Why isn't 11 pronounced onety one? * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 17:47, newshound wrote: On 07/12/2019 15:11, Brian Reay wrote: (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) I went for a slightly larger "double piston" compressor for the horsebox (which needs 65 psi). Something a bit like this (sorry about the link). https://smile.amazon.co.uk/TACKLIFE-...%2C156&sr=8-12 I have a £70 one from Halfords that is absolutely excellent and very fast, and does 75psi with no trouble, but it draws a hell of a lot of current. It's one of those things I really prefer cordless for. Packing away that thin long 12v cable and plug in most seems to be a right PITA. -- *There's no place like www.home.com * Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 08/12/19 11:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Brian Reay wrote: I bought an electronic gauge from Halfords which has an impressive spec (I forget the details). Assuming it is as good as its spec, the various gauges on the 'cheap' compressors I've compared it with are pretty hopeless. I have an attachment for my 'full size' compressor which is like those you sometimes find in garages etc. It is pretty good although the scale is so small it is rather hard to be sure. I've got lots of various gauges. But the older pop out type not so easy to read as a decent digital one. Digital one I use now wasn't cheap and actually gave its spec. Of course, not easy to check. (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. You've obviously never had a car with a spacesaver spare wheel. The pressure in these is much higher - maybe 60psi. See "Compact temporary spare" he https://www.dunlop.eu/en_gb/consumer/learn/spare-tires.html" -- Jeff |
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On 08/12/2019 12:11, Jeff Layman wrote:
On 08/12/19 11:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Brian Reay wrote: I bought an electronic gauge from Halfords which has an impressive spec (I forget the details). Assuming it is as good as its spec, the various gauges on the 'cheap' compressors I've compared it with are pretty hopeless. I have an attachment for my 'full size' compressor which is like those you sometimes find in garages etc. It is pretty good although the scale is so small it is rather hard to be sure. I've got lots of various gauges. But the older pop out type not so easy to read as a decent digital one. Digital one I use now wasn't cheap and actually gave its spec. Of course, not easy to check. (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. You've obviously never had a car with a spacesaver spareÂ* wheel. The pressure in these is much higher - maybe 60psi. See "Compact temporary spare" he https://www.dunlop.eu/en_gb/consumer/learn/spare-tires.html" What about Audi expanding spare wheels, you have to inflate it after fitting. Trouble is the punctured wheel doesn't deflate fit the carrier space below the boot. Big problem if you are fully loaded. Guess how I learned this:-( Mike |
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Jeff Layman wrote: All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. You've obviously never had a car with a spacesaver spare wheel. The pressure in these is much higher - maybe 60psi. Correct. The car in question has no spare of any sort. Hence including a compressor and sealer in the toolkit. -- *I used to be a banker, but then I lost interest.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 08/12/2019 13:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Jeff Layman wrote: All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. You've obviously never had a car with a spacesaver spare wheel. The pressure in these is much higher - maybe 60psi. Correct. The car in question has no spare of any sort. Hence including a compressor and sealer in the toolkit. I'm intrigued David- I thought you drove an old Rover, old enough to have proper spare wheel. (I'm going by your comments elsewhere.) Did the old Rovers not have spare wheels? I thought the habit of not having any spare (even a space saver) was a plague of modern cars. |
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On 08/12/2019 11:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 17:47, newshound wrote: On 07/12/2019 15:11, Brian Reay wrote: (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) I went for a slightly larger "double piston" compressor for the horsebox (which needs 65 psi). Something a bit like this (sorry about the link). https://smile.amazon.co.uk/TACKLIFE-...%2C156&sr=8-12 I have a £70 one from Halfords that is absolutely excellent and very fast, and does 75psi with no trouble, but it draws a hell of a lot of current. It's one of those things I really prefer cordless for. Packing away that thin long 12v cable and plug in most seems to be a right PITA. Yes but some of the multi function boxes contain rubbish pumps (as well as inadequate batteries and gauges). I'm a bit fan though of the Lithium Ion jump starters which are nice and compact. I'm reasonably impressed by the pump that comes with my Jazz, powerful but compact and it stores the cable and plug away OK. |
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On 08/12/2019 12:40, Muddymike wrote:
On 08/12/2019 12:11, Jeff Layman wrote: On 08/12/19 11:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Â*Â*Â* Brian Reay wrote: I bought an electronic gauge from Halfords which has an impressive spec (I forget the details). Assuming it is as good as its spec, the various gauges on the 'cheap' compressors I've compared it with are pretty hopeless. I have an attachment for my 'full size' compressor which is like those you sometimes find in garages etc. It is pretty good although the scale is so small it is rather hard to be sure. I've got lots of various gauges. But the older pop out type not so easy to read as a decent digital one. Digital one I use now wasn't cheap and actually gave its spec. Of course, not easy to check. (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. You've obviously never had a car with a spacesaver spareÂ* wheel. The pressure in these is much higher - maybe 60psi. See "Compact temporary spare" he https://www.dunlop.eu/en_gb/consumer/learn/spare-tires.html" What about Audi expanding spare wheels, you have to inflate it after fitting. Trouble is the punctured wheel doesn't deflate fit the carrier space below the boot. Big problem if you are fully loaded. Guess how I learned this:-( Mike When they went for a space saver in the 911 they were kind enough to include a big polythene bag, the passenger was expected to have it on their lap if the luggage space was full. |
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On 08/12/2019 11:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 17:47, newshound wrote: On 07/12/2019 15:11, Brian Reay wrote: (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) I went for a slightly larger "double piston" compressor for the horsebox (which needs 65 psi). Something a bit like this (sorry about the link). https://smile.amazon.co.uk/TACKLIFE-...%2C156&sr=8-12 I have a £70 one from Halfords that is absolutely excellent and very fast, and does 75psi with no trouble, but it draws a hell of a lot of current. It's one of those things I really prefer cordless for. Packing away that thin long 12v cable and plug in most seems to be a right PITA. My car-boot-sale footpump is cordless :-) |
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 15:07:46 +0000, newshound wrote:
I'm reasonably impressed by the pump that comes with my Jazz, powerful but compact and it stores the cable and plug away OK. Never used the one that my car has instead of a proper spare (despite the space being big enough to hold a full sized spare). Guess I ought to at least try it to make sure the damn thing works. Sods Law says I'll find out that it doesn't, up on the tops, miles from anywhere, with no phone signal, in the ****ing rain (or snow), being driven by a gale force wind onto the side of the car with the flat... -- Cheers Dave. |
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Brian Reay wrote: On 08/12/2019 13:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Jeff Layman wrote: All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. You've obviously never had a car with a spacesaver spare wheel. The pressure in these is much higher - maybe 60psi. Correct. The car in question has no spare of any sort. Hence including a compressor and sealer in the toolkit. I'm intrigued David- I thought you drove an old Rover, old enough to have proper spare wheel. (I'm going by your comments elsewhere.) Did the old Rovers not have spare wheels? I thought the habit of not having any spare (even a space saver) was a plague of modern cars. I doubt there are many around using a 35 year old car as their everyday one. ;-) -- *Seen it all, done it all, can't remember most of it* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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newshound wrote: It's one of those things I really prefer cordless for. Packing away that thin long 12v cable and plug in most seems to be a right PITA. Yes but some of the multi function boxes contain rubbish pumps (as well as inadequate batteries and gauges). I'm a bit fan though of the Lithium Ion jump starters which are nice and compact. Well, my Lidl one had the battery last very well indeed. For an SLA. But was rarely used to jump start. Compressor was OK - just the gauge poor. And if was bought well before Lithium batteries were cheap enough for such things. I've no real need for a jump start pack. The old one most often was used to start neighbour's cars. I'm reasonably impressed by the pump that comes with my Jazz, powerful but compact and it stores the cable and plug away OK. -- *WHERE DO FOREST RANGERS GO TO "GET AWAY FROM IT ALL?" Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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newshound wrote: When they went for a space saver in the 911 they were kind enough to include a big polythene bag, the passenger was expected to have it on their lap if the luggage space was full. Quite. But mine wouldn't have space for the size of wheels fitted to the model now anyway. And has different size tyres back and front. Even a space saver would reduce the luggage space from just about OK to useless. -- *Change is inevitable, except from a vending machine* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 8 Dec 2019 17:18:49 +0000, Andrew
wrote: On 08/12/2019 11:58, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Bill Wright wrote: On 07/12/2019 17:47, newshound wrote: On 07/12/2019 15:11, Brian Reay wrote: (My problem was the pressure I need- one vehicle requires 80psi on the rear tyres. The small compressors just aren't up to that, at least not in a sensible time.) I went for a slightly larger "double piston" compressor for the horsebox (which needs 65 psi). Something a bit like this (sorry about the link). https://smile.amazon.co.uk/TACKLIFE-...%2C156&sr=8-12 I have a £70 one from Halfords that is absolutely excellent and very fast, and does 75psi with no trouble, but it draws a hell of a lot of current. It's one of those things I really prefer cordless for. Packing away that thin long 12v cable and plug in most seems to be a right PITA. My car-boot-sale footpump is cordless :-) I have a foot pump that I must have bought in the '60's. Nice big leather plunger. It had seized recently so, being of that era, it could be taken apart. Usual solution was to put some vegetable oil on the leather and to a point that worked. However there is a connector from the barrel to the hose which I suspect was not original and that has a little ball bearing which I assume is part of a non-return valve system. Now I can't get the pump either to stop leaking or if I put the ball in a different place the pump locks with pressure. So where I can I get a non-return valve adapter, screw into the barrel and push the hose over the other end? -- AnthonyL Why do scientists need to BELIEVE in anything? |
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On Sat, 07 Dec 2019 12:42:16 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote: My trusty old jump start pack which also has a tyre compressor died. Didn't owe me anything as it had a lot of use as a compressor over the years. But annoying in that I'd recently fitted a new battery - and it's the gears between the motor and compressor which have stripped. Motor still runs, so I'd guess the compressor seized. One thing that annoyed about it was the useless pressure gauge. So decided on a replacement. Inflator only, so a lot smaller. Bit like a cordless drill. Vast range of models and prices on Ebay. Went for a Blaupunkt. Three times the cost of the cheapest but has an 18v 2 amp.hr battery rather than the cheap ones which all seemed to be 12v 1 amp.hr. But not as expensive as so called 'garage' ones. It works well - quicker than the old one - but the gauge is still poor. About 25% out at 30 psi. Is it really impossible to make a gauge which actually works? In the handbook, they quote the spec. But not the accuracy of the gauge. I was looking at gauges from a specialist supplier, they are not that expensive until you start to add all the costs of fittings to add it to the pump. For many (50+) years I've had a pencil gauge and I had a garage confirm it's readings at around 30psi. It was 3psi slow. The other day the whole thing flew into pieces so I'd got little rubber seals and a spring. Put it back together but not checked it out yet. My Homebase electronic gauge is useless and won't give the same reading twice. The inbuilt gauge on my 12v LCAN inflator was too small and inaccurate to be of any use at all but that device, £8.99 about 25yrs ago, has recently given up the ghost. I was googling around to see what I could replace it with but then was in Wilko for something else and saw they had the RAC610 for £12 and bought that. I'm not too sure whether I prefer it's screw on valve fitting or the traditional clip on but anyway it seems to work. The gauge is a lot more sensible but as best as I can work out 7psi slow. I've used it about 4 times (two cars) but it's only because I prefer to top up at home in my own time and not at a garage forecourt where I don't trust the gauges anyway. -- AnthonyL Why do scientists need to BELIEVE in anything? |
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On 08/12/2019 04:26, Bill Wright wrote:
I have a £70 one from Halfords that is absolutely excellent and very fast, and does 75psi with no trouble, but it draws a hell of a lot of current. Bill I have a second had one from Ebay that works well. It's a Ford branded one that has probably come from a scrapped car where it was the original equipment. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On 08/12/2019 11:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. Some of the small space saving spare wheels are around 60 to 70 psi. I've had a cheap compressor fail when I've used it for too long a period (much longer than the instruction manual recommended without leaving it to cool) and the cylinder got very hot. I would expect a very short life expectancy from some of these units when working at 150psi. Looking at some Youtube videos where these compressors are dismantled the working parts mostly seem to be the same generic design, possibly all produced in the same couple of Chinese factories. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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alan_m wrote: Looking at some Youtube videos where these compressors are dismantled the working parts mostly seem to be the same generic design, possibly all produced in the same couple of Chinese factories. I've looked on Ebay for a similar unit with a knackered battery as my battery is near new. But it's a pretty old unit. -- *The man who fell into an upholstery machine is fully recovered* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Thu, 12 Dec 2019 06:48:15 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: senile troll**** 06:48??? LOL And you've been up and trolling since 02:26 (your first troll) already! LMAO -- Bill Wright to Rot Speed: "That confirms my opinion that you are a despicable little ****." MID: |
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![]() "alan_m" wrote in message ... On 08/12/2019 11:55, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: All the various compressors with built in gauges I've seen go up to something silly for cars. Even the one supplied in my car toolkit. Reads up to 150 psi, when the maximum pressure ever needed is 34 psi. Some of the small space saving spare wheels are around 60 to 70 psi. I've had a cheap compressor fail when I've used it for too long a period (much longer than the instruction manual recommended without leaving it to cool) and the cylinder got very hot. I would expect a very short life expectancy from some of these units when working at 150psi. Looking at some Youtube videos where these compressors are dismantled the working parts mostly seem to be the same generic design, possibly all produced in the same couple of Chinese factories. chinese factorys arent done like that. |
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On 11/12/2019 15:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , alan_m wrote: Looking at some Youtube videos where these compressors are dismantled the working parts mostly seem to be the same generic design, possibly all produced in the same couple of Chinese factories. Its a common misconception that Chinese items that look alike are produced in the same factories. Having spend several years involved in sourcing product from China which involved visiting Chinese factories I can erasure you items that appear outwardly to be the same can vary enormously in quality and be produced by 100s of different factories. Mike |
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Muddymike wrote: On 11/12/2019 15:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: Looking at some Youtube videos where these compressors are dismantled the working parts mostly seem to be the same generic design, possibly all produced in the same couple of Chinese factories. Its a common misconception that Chinese items that look alike are produced in the same factories. Having spend several years involved in sourcing product from China which involved visiting Chinese factories I can erasure you items that appear outwardly to be the same can vary enormously in quality and be produced by 100s of different factories. Does that mean there is no copyright on things the Chinese design? Or several factories owned by the same people producing the same design, but to different standards? -- *He who laughs last has just realised the joke. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Saturday, December 7, 2019 at 12:43:36 PM UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Some stuff. We've 2 compressors (no jump start, light, cup warmer, etc. One original Toyota, One badged as Argos (a £4.99 clearance bargain, identical looking item in Robert Dyas ws £15.00). Not checked the gauges for accuracy, but I've put the Toyota one in the Peugeot and the Argos one in the Toy Yoda as the argos gaugue goes high enough for the Toy Yods'a space saver spare (car didn't come with one, we bought one). Whether the compressor will go that high (without self combusting) is something I've yet to discover. |
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On 13/12/2019 14:31, Terry Casey wrote:
In article , says... On 11/12/2019 15:15, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , alan_m wrote: Looking at some Youtube videos where these compressors are dismantled the working parts mostly seem to be the same generic design, possibly all produced in the same couple of Chinese factories. Its a common misconception that Chinese items that look alike are produced in the same factories. Having spend several years involved in sourcing product from China which involved visiting Chinese factories I can erasure you items that appear outwardly to be the same can vary enormously in quality and be produced by 100s of different factories. Indeed. I've seen lots od reports illustrating this involving electronic goods such as meters, etc. General consensus is that Banggood are the preferred supplier for kit which is well built. https://www.banggood.com/ Yep --- even the Chinese copy each others items. You can have any quality you want in identical looking widgets at any price you want to pay. Appearance does not guarantee repeatable quality. I sent many years working for a widget importer, testing items. -- Blow my nose to email me |
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