On 03/10/2019 11:25, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 03/10/2019 09:53, Tim Lamb wrote:
In message , Tim
StreaterÂ* writes
In article , "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 03/10/2019 08:20, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 08:17, Andy Burns wrote:
Max Demian wrote:

What if the nozzle is in the /middle/, cunningly concealed
behindÂ* theÂ* rear number plate, which hinges down for access?

Presumably safety provisions such as nCAP have put paid to that
sortÂ* of thing?Â* Or with more or less global car models, the laws
in the USÂ* are applied everywhere?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/49/393.65
Â*Its not that laws are global, but if you manufacture for your
tightestÂ* market, its is unlikely to make sense doing it
differentlyÂ* for any other

Well that's TNP saying one of the main reasons claimed for brexit,
being able to have different standards for different markets, out
of the window.
Remain voters have said this from the beginning.

Rubbish. Whether to do that or not, once we are out, becomes a
commercial matter for the company involved, rather than purposelessly
being forced upon them.
Â*Did you object when British Standards were first brought in?
Â*AFAIK we have been members of the Electro Technical Commission since
dayÂ* one. Did you object to that?
Â*We do ourselves a disservice by considering producing sub standard
products for sale to gullible markets.

Your insistence in deliberately misunderstanding is weird.

There is an inherent conflict between consumers and manufacturers.
Manufacturers want to sell more,Â* expensive products.
Manufacturers want to lower wages and eliminateÂ* employment and trade
booundariesÂ* into markets they own and protect those markets from
other manufactures.

Accepted.

This is what the EU is all about.

They certainly wish to protect industries considered vital. Hence the
iron and steel issues.

It's sold as harmonisation, safety, ecologically moral, social justice
and politically correct. This is sheer humbug. It is essentially
protecting big business and impoverishing the consumer who is forced
to consume to comply with the latest law.

This is a point of divergence. Who elected you to decide whether the
specification of a product used across Europe is excessive or not?
Our experts undoubtedly have the opportunity to decide if a regulation
is necessary and put forward their views, along with those of other
member states.

Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The alternative seems to me to be the product coming out of China back
in the 1980's. Appeared to do the job, worked for a while and was cheap,
hence saleable.

The alternative is our own standard, but maybe also choosing to accept
EU standards; maybe Japanese, Australian, Canadian. Why not, if they are
good enough. US standards for many things are pretty crap though.

Renewable energy is the prime example. In terms of CO2 reduictiomn it
is pointless compared with - say - nuclear power.

But it generates money for the renewable industry for which the
consumer pays. Its a tax on energy that ends up in renewable fat cat
pockets.

OK. This is a special case. I'm not sure about your fat cats but the
rest of it rings true.

Do you have any other examples?

I read your comment elsewhere about housing needing to meet hugely
different energy saving criteria. Our building regulations only apply to
us. Is the situation in Sweden or Spain different in some way?

I think that you'll find that much of the building regulations is common
across the EU.

SteveW

On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standardsÂ* generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was in
fact Germany.

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that cannot be done worse and more expensively and with higher carbon
emissions and more adverse environmental impact by adding intermittent
renewable energy.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated. Vast
difference.
-

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from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:

8

Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standardsÂ* generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

We do have a stronger standard on many things.
The EU doesn't stop us.
We also try and get that stronger standard adopted by the EU.
Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't.

On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated. Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

However my point as that it was in that heart of EU regulation that
these events took place and that Germans were who did it.


-



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Theres a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated. Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?



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from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated. Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?




I had the impression that the unions promoted an us v them attitude so
they could maintain power. Pretty much like boris is doing now.

Many many times unions in various industries were told that they would
wreck the industry if they kept up their restrictive practices but they
did anyway and those industries are more or less gone now, ship
building, cars, mining, etc. you just can't stop progress when your
competitors are making advances without ending up with nothing.

On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated. Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.




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"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own
standards if necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards
generally, but for some things, it might suit us to have a good
enough, but less stringest standard and on others, we might prefer
to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made
of unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in
fact their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with
organic beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations
was in fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud to be
British and make a stand against the foreighner.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

But of course you claim to know how all others feel about anything. A
characteristic of the leave campaign. If they don't agree with you must be
lying.

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

Is that a criticism? From a little Englander?

However my point as that it was in that heart of EU regulation that
these events took place and that Germans were who did it.

Profits come first? What could you possibly object to there?

--
*Any connection between your reality and mine is purely coincidental

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 04/10/2019 13:24, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article , The Natural Philosopher
wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own
standards if necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards
generally, but for some things, it might suit us to have a good
enough, but less stringest standard and on others, we might prefer
to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made
of unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in
fact their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with
organic beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations
was in fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud to be
British and make a stand against the foreighner.

No.

You thought wrong. That what project 'hate brexiteers' wanted you to think

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and people tell those stories because everyone important believes them.
Indeed, when a conventional wisdom is at its fullest strength, ones
agreement with that conventional wisdom becomes almost a litmus test of
ones suitability to be taken seriously.€�

Paul Krugman

In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
Many many times unions in various industries were told that they would
wreck the industry if they kept up their restrictive practices but they
did anyway and those industries are more or less gone now, ship
building, cars, mining, etc. you just can't stop progress when your
competitors are making advances without ending up with nothing.

Is that why all those high street shops are closing? Down to the unions?

I feel quite sorry for many these days in the blame culture. Not having
the unions as whipping boy.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud to
be British and make a stand against the foreighner.

No.

You thought wrong. That what project 'hate brexiteers' wanted you to
think

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

--
*Time is the best teacher; unfortunately it kills all its students.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Friday, 4 October 2019 16:33:39 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
dennis@home wrote:
Many many times unions in various industries were told that they would
wreck the industry if they kept up their restrictive practices but they
did anyway and those industries are more or less gone now, ship
building, cars, mining, etc. you just can't stop progress when your
competitors are making advances without ending up with nothing.

Is that why all those high street shops are closing? Down to the unions?

Well apart from some places most of being turned into take-aways and coffee shops, those seem to make enough money to stay open.
Plenty of car washes too, and betting shops of course.



I feel quite sorry for many these days in the blame culture. Not having
the unions as whipping boy.

Maybe the culture has changed along with those in the local areas which has also changed, brick lane is quite up and coming with hipsters, rather than just the bangladeshi community, before the bangladeshi's it was very jewish or so I've been told.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards
if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but
for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less
stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was
in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

It does in some operations like the RollsRoyce aircraft
engine operation and even in the Nissan car plant.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 03:54:29 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll****

03:54??? AGAIN? Do you absolutely not know any shame AT ALL? But then,
that's the hallmark of every true psychopath, senile Rodent!

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On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 16:29:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be
British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

You don't half interpret the things others say in bloody strange ways,
Dave. :-/



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Leave first - THEN negotiate!

On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 14:51:43 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Is that a criticism? From a little Englander?

Where did all this hatred of England the English come from, Dave? Decades
of exposure to the mind-rotting propaganda served up by the BBC and the
Guardian? And why is this a permissible form of racism to your way of
thinking?



--
Leave first - THEN negotiate!

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud to
be British and make a stand against the foreighner.

No.

You thought wrong. That what project 'hate brexiteers' wanted you to
think

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who
decides that their prospects in the UK are better than
where they are coming from isnt free to move to the
UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.
..

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 05:20:31 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU

Now ALSO an expert in how NTP's mind works, you abnormal "expert" in
EVERYTHING?

--
Richard addressing Rot Speed:
"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
MID:

On Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:20:31 +1000, AlexK wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud
to be British and make a stand against the foreighner.

No.

You thought wrong. That what project 'hate brexiteers' wanted you to
think

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be
British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who decides that their
prospects in the UK are better than where they are coming from isnt free
to move to the UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.
.

Anyone holding the nationality of a Member State of the EU can move to
another Member State almost without restriction for three months. They
cannot claim €˜social assistance (benefits for those who are very poor)
nor can they claim access to student benefits (grants, loans).

However, after three months, everything changes. EU nationals can stay in
the host state for the next five years only if they are economically
active (as a €˜worker, self-employed person or a temporary service
provider) or they can provide for themselves (as a person of independent
means or a student).

EU law allows states to restrict benefits to those who have resided in
the UK for a period of time (eg one year). Moreover, EU nationals claim
out of work benefits at a lower rate than UK nationals.





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On 04/10/2019 18:54, AlexK wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own
standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standardsÂ* generally,
but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less
stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses
made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with
organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations
was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

It does in some operations like the RollsRoyce aircraft
engine operation and even in the Nissan car plant.

That isnt 'in Britain'
I am talking about te puffed pride my BIL - a retired EU civil servant -
has in German industry. Talk a about Little Germany!

Everything German industry does is wonderful, because it is German. Only
Germans know how to run Europe.

He hasn't a clue how to wire a plug.


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This makes me unfit for the company of people of a Left persuasion, and
all women"

"Bob Eager" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:20:31 +1000, AlexK wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud
to be British and make a stand against the foreighner.

No.

You thought wrong. That what project 'hate brexiteers' wanted you to
think

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be
British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who decides that their
prospects in the UK are better than where they are coming from isnt free
to move to the UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.
.

Anyone holding the nationality of a Member State of the EU can move to
another Member State almost without restriction for three months. They
cannot claim €˜social assistance (benefits for those who are very poor)
nor can they claim access to student benefits (grants, loans).

However, after three months, everything changes. EU nationals can stay in
the host state for the next five years only if they are economically
active (as a €˜worker, self-employed person or a temporary service
provider) or they can provide for themselves (as a person of independent
means or a student).

But it is so trivial to show that you are economically active
by claiming to be self employed who can't find anyone
who wants the service you claim to be able to provide.

EU law allows states to restrict benefits to those who have resided in
the UK for a period of time (eg one year). Moreover, EU nationals claim
out of work benefits at a lower rate than UK nationals.

But thats irrelevant for those who can find some work in the UK
and they all can and mostly better than where they are coming
from given that thats the reason they choose to move to the UK.

Sure, some do get that wrong or were lied to about
that, but that doesnt happen with most of them.

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 18:54, AlexK wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own
standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally, but
for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less
stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made
of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in
fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with
organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations
was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

It does in some operations like the RollsRoyce aircraft
engine operation and even in the Nissan car plant.

That isnt 'in Britain'

Yep, both are.

I am talking about te puffed pride my BIL - a retired EU civil servant -
has in German industry. Talk a about Little Germany!

Everything German industry does is wonderful, because it is German. Only
Germans know how to run Europe.

I doubt they are all taught to do that.

He hasn't a clue how to wire a plug.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 09:06:26 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


But it is so trivial

What could be more trivial than your idiotic trolling in ngs that are
absolutely NONE of yours, you 85-year-old senile Australian pest?

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On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 09:13:08 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:

FLUSH 74 lines of absolute bull****

--
about senile Rot Speed:
"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
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On 04/10/2019 21:58, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 05 Oct 2019 05:20:31 +1000, AlexK wrote:

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I thought the whole point of Brexit was the UK population was proud
to be British and make a stand against the foreighner.

No.

You thought wrong. That what project 'hate brexiteers' wanted you to
think

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be
British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who decides that their
prospects in the UK are better than where they are coming from isnt free
to move to the UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.
.

Anyone holding the nationality of a Member State of the EU can move to
another Member State almost without restriction for three months. They
cannot claim €˜social assistance (benefits for those who are very poor)
nor can they claim access to student benefits (grants, loans).

However, after three months, everything changes. EU nationals can stay in
the host state for the next five years only if they are economically
active (as a €˜worker, self-employed person or a temporary service
provider) or they can provide for themselves (as a person of independent
means or a student).

EU law allows states to restrict benefits to those who have resided in
the UK for a period of time (eg one year). Moreover, EU nationals claim
out of work benefits at a lower rate than UK nationals.

But EU workers doing low paid jobs can claim in-work benefits, such as
tax credits for themselves and their children and can claim child
benefit - even for children not resident in the UK. It is not simply
about out of work benefits.

SteveW

On 05/10/2019 00:13, AlexK wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 18:54, AlexK wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own
standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standardsÂ* generally,
but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less
stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger
standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses
made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in
fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with
organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions
regulations was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country
cheated. Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they
and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

It does in some operations like the RollsRoyce aircraft
engine operation and even in the Nissan car plant.

That isnt 'in Britain'

Yep, both are.

I am talking about te puffed pride my BIL - a retired EU civil servant
- has in German industry. Talk aÂ* about Little Germany!

Everything German industry does is wonderful, because it is German.
Only Germans know how to run Europe.

I doubt they are all taught to do that.

You havent talked to them

He hasn't a clue how to wire a plug.




--
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€• Jean Claud Jüncker

"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 05/10/2019 00:13, AlexK wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 18:54, AlexK wrote:


"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
...
On 04/10/2019 11:25, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 04/10/2019 09:29, charles wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own
standards if
necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards generally,
but for
some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less
stringest
standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger
standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses
made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in
fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with
organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations
was in
fact Germany.

The country didn't cheat - a manufacturer in that country cheated.
Vast
difference.

You dont knwo how Germans feel about their companies do you?

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they
and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

It does in some operations like the RollsRoyce aircraft
engine operation and even in the Nissan car plant.

That isnt 'in Britain'

Yep, both are.

I am talking about te puffed pride my BIL - a retired EU civil servant -
has in German industry. Talk a about Little Germany!

Everything German industry does is wonderful, because it is German. Only
Germans know how to run Europe.

I doubt they are all taught to do that.

You havent talked to them

Yes I have.

He hasn't a clue how to wire a plug.

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 16:46:23 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


You havent talked to them

Yes I have.

NOBODY talks to you in real life, senile cantankerous asshole. That's why
you TROLL on Usenet, starting EVERY NIGHT between 1 and 4 am in Australia!

--
FredXX to Rot Speed:
"You are still an idiot and an embarrassment to your country. No wonder
we shipped the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
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In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 16:29:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be
British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

You don't half interpret the things others say in bloody strange ways,
Dave. :-/

I'd say you never read what is being replied to.

Here is what Turnip said:-

***************

From: The Natural Philosopher
Subject: Dangers of wimmin drivers at petrol stations
Date: Fri, 04 Oct 2019 10:15
Newsgroups: uk.d-i-y

Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

****************

If that is a failing you criticise in another country, you presumably
wouldn't think the same yourself of yours.

--
*The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 14:51:43 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Is that a criticism? From a little Englander?

Where did all this hatred of England the English come from, Dave?

As I said. You need to learn to read. What has been written. Not what you
think has been written.

In no way do I hate our country. That being the UK, rather than England.

Now tell us just how much you love England when you've moved to some tax
haven?

Decades of exposure to the mind-rotting propaganda served up by the BBC
and the Guardian? And why is this a permissible form of racism to your
way of thinking?

Racist against your own race? What a very quaint notion.

--
*Why do they put Braille on the drive-through bank machines?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
AlexK wrote:
So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who
decides that their prospects in the UK are better than
where they are coming from isnt free to move to the
UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.

Is your housing and health care free then? Which country do you live in?

--
*Why is it that doctors call what they do "practice"?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
Germans are taught to be proud to be German and consider that they and
their industries are all in it together.

whereas this doesn't happen in the UK?

No.

It does in some operations like the RollsRoyce aircraft
engine operation and even in the Nissan car plant.

That isnt 'in Britain'
I am talking about te puffed pride my BIL - a retired EU civil servant -
has in German industry. Talk a about Little Germany!

Everything German industry does is wonderful, because it is German. Only
Germans know how to run Europe.

He hasn't a clue how to wire a plug.

So you get your opinion of a nation from your BIL.

Wonder if he bases his opinion of the UK on football hooligans? Or BNP
supporters?

--
*IF YOU TRY TO FAIL, AND SUCCEED, WHICH HAVE YOU DONE?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
Steve Walker wrote:
But EU workers doing low paid jobs can claim in-work benefits, such as
tax credits for themselves and their children and can claim child
benefit - even for children not resident in the UK. It is not simply
about out of work benefits.

Brings me back to the nonsense of subsidising employers by having low paid
jobs topped up by benefits.

--
*Parenthetical remarks (however relevant) are (usually) unnecessary *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
AlexK wrote:
So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who
decides that their prospects in the UK are better than
where they are coming from isnt free to move to the
UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.

Is your housing and health care free then?

I didn’t say that the housing is free for them.

In article ,
AlexK wrote:


"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
AlexK wrote:
So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

More likely would prefer that anyone in the EU who
decides that their prospects in the UK are better than
where they are coming from isnt free to move to the
UK and put their hand out to the state for free health
care and for housing etc.

Is your housing and health care free then?

I didn’t say that the housing is free for them.

But you think health care is free? Meaning you don't pay any form of taxes?

--
*England has no kidney bank, but it does have a Liverpool.*

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 03/10/2019 22:24, Steve Walker wrote:
Far better that ouir own experts/government can set our own standards
if necessary. It makes sense to stick to EU standards* generally, but
for some things, it might suit us to have a good enough, but less
stringest standard and on others, we might prefer to have a stonger
standard.

The classic example is 'food safety and hygiene'
Interesting article on the failure of EU FSA in the DT today. They have
failed to take action against known problem additives in food stuffs.
our FSA of course can currently just pass the buck rather than be held
accountable.

The French argued long and hard that their traditional cheeses made of
unpasteurised milk and loaded with bacteria of all sorts were in fact
their own bloody business, provided they didn't export them.

And indeed when washed down with a bottle of 'entre deux legs' the
bacteria didnt stand a chance anyway.

I note with wry hunmour that te country that killed peole with organic
beansprouts was in fact Germany.

That the country that cheated on its diesel emissions regulations was
in fact Germany.


--
bert

In article , Cursitor Doom
writes
On Fri, 04 Oct 2019 16:29:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Just to get this clear. You, as a Brexiteer, are not proud to be
British?

So some form of citizen of the world? But want to isolate from the
countries who are our neighbours?

You don't half interpret the things others say in bloody strange ways,
Dave. :-/



Classic diversion technique of trade union shop stewards.
--
bert

On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 21:11:49 +1000, AlexK, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote:


I didn¢t say that the housing is free for them.

No intelligent person should give a **** what you say or don't say, you
anomalous senile idiot!

--
addressing nym-shifting senile Rodent:
"You on the other hand are a heavyweight bull****ter who demonstrates
your particular prowess at it every day."
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