In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wonder how people would act if they realised the true ramifications...

The supreme court - a Blairite invention - has ruled the Bercow is
emperor and that a parliament that is strongly in favour of revoking
article 50 is now acting as the the government, which has been stripped
of its executive powers, and that there is no need to have an election
at all for years.

Democracy is nearly dead now.

Democracy to you in this instance means the will of a non elected PM
advised by an even less elected activist. A PM who sacks his MPs if they
don't agree with him. And attempts to manipulate parliament for his own
ends.

Sound more like Russia to me.

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On 24/09/2019 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wonder how people would act if they realised the true ramifications...

The supreme court - a Blairite invention - has ruled the Bercow is
emperor and that a parliament that is strongly in favour of revoking
article 50 is now acting as the the government, which has been stripped
of its executive powers, and that there is no need to have an election
at all for years.

Democracy is nearly dead now.

Democracy to you in this instance means the will of a non elected PM
advised by an even less elected activist. A PM who sacks his MPs if they
don't agree with him. And attempts to manipulate parliament for his own
ends.

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.

SteveW

On 24/09/2019 16:45, Steve Walker wrote:

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.


Cool. If that is democracy, I'm well ok with it.

I do wish people would shut up about democracy. I'm very dubious of the
concept of direct democracy. I like the idea of delegating power to an
elected executive. Representatives of the people Who have the time and
tools to research issues and make informed decisions.

My suspicion is that MPs are remainers because they are scared that they
cannot get deliver a successful Brexit, especially in the short term.
I'm dubious that any potential long term advantage is enough to offset
this short term risk.

On 24/09/2019 17:05, Pancho wrote:
On 24/09/2019 16:45, Steve Walker wrote:

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.


Cool. If that is democracy, I'm well ok with it.

I do wish people would shut up about democracy. I'm very dubious of the
concept of direct democracy. I like the idea of delegating power to an
elected executive. Representatives of the people Who have the time and
tools to research issues and make informed decisions.

And if they delegate a specific decision back to the people in a
referendum, as they did, shouldn't they do what the people decide?

"Pancho" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2019 16:45, Steve Walker wrote:

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.


Cool. If that is democracy, I'm well ok with it.

I do wish people would shut up about democracy. I'm very dubious of the
concept of direct democracy. I like the idea of delegating power to an
elected executive. Representatives of the people Who have the time and
tools to research issues and make informed decisions.

Trouble is that doesnt work with an issue like brexit or joining the EU
either.

My suspicion is that MPs are remainers because they are scared that they
cannot get deliver a successful Brexit, especially in the short term.

But it remains to be seen if that fear is valid, particularly with a no deal
brexit.

I'm dubious that any potential long term advantage is enough to offset
this short term risk.

Irrelevant to what the majority who bothered to vote voted for.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 12:40:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

Trouble is

Trouble is that you are trolling piece of **** from Oz and that it's ALL
none of yours, senile Rodent!

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On 24/09/2019 16:45, Steve Walker wrote:
On 24/09/2019 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wonder how people would act if they realised the true ramifications...

The supreme court - a Blairite invention - has ruled the Bercow is
emperor and that a parliament that is strongly in favour of revoking
article 50 is now acting as the the government, which has been stripped
of its executive powers,Â* and that there is no need to have an election
at all for years.

Democracy is nearly dead now.

Democracy to you in this instance means the will of a non elected PM
advised by an even less elected activist. A PM who sacks his MPs if they
don't agree with him. And attempts to manipulate parliament for his own
ends.

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.

SteveW

they were elected after the referendum.
the election was called to secure more mps to support brexit
guess what the electorate didn't agree.

On 24/09/2019 21:47, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/09/2019 16:45, Steve Walker wrote:
On 24/09/2019 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wonder how people would act if they realised the true
ramifications...

The supreme court - a Blairite invention - has ruled the Bercow is
emperor and that a parliament that is strongly in favour of revoking
article 50 is now acting as the the government, which has been stripped
of its executive powers,Â* and that there is no need to have an election
at all for years.

Democracy is nearly dead now.

Democracy to you in this instance means the will of a non elected PM
advised by an even less elected activist. A PM who sacks his MPs if they
don't agree with him. And attempts to manipulate parliament for his own
ends.

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.

SteveW

they were elected after the referendum.
the election was called to secure more mps to support brexit
guess what the electorate didn't agree.

The electorate did agree.The vast majority voted in were Conservative or
Labour, both having had a manifesto of abiding by the result of the
referendum. Votes for either of those parties were therefore made in the
knowledge that they supported leaving and therefore the "leave vote" has
a huge majority in parliament ... unfortunately many of the MPs actually
wanted to stay and had no intention of actually allowing anything more
than BRINO.

SteveW

On Tue, 24 Sep 2019 22:33:02 +0100, Steve Walker
wrote:

snip

The electorate did agree.

1/3rd of the electorate voted to Leave (let alone a supermajority),
2/3rds didn't.

What percentage of those who voted Leave (the only ones who are
actively trying to change the status quo), voted for us to leave
without a deal?

If they didn't consider that, what level of understanding did they
have / apply to their vote?

How many would have voted Leave if they were aware it was likely that
they wouldn't get any of the (bogus) things they were promised and
would be likely to end up worse off (even if only short term)?

There is a good chance that many of the things that the Leavers voted
on, also concerned the Remainers but the latter may have considered
that whilst they might need to be dealt with, they weren't
sufficiently down to our membership of the EU and that we should
really sort *ourselves* out first. [1]

Assuming the whole 'Leaving the EU' thing was even on their radar in
the first place.

Cheers, T i m

[1] How come we seem able to supply all the 'extra' people in the UK
with food, cars, fuel, TV's and every other commodity that doesn't
seem to be in any level of shortage ... but we can't supply enough
homes, schools or hospitals?

How long have we had the freedom movement of people? How long have the
government and local authorities / developers had to build (and sell
for profit) houses?

We have always the option to manage migrant workers that don't find
work with in reasonable period but chose not to use it because it was
never a significant (when seen from the bigger picture) problem.

"dennis@home" wrote in message
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On 24/09/2019 16:45, Steve Walker wrote:
On 24/09/2019 14:34, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I wonder how people would act if they realised the true
ramifications...

The supreme court - a Blairite invention - has ruled the Bercow is
emperor and that a parliament that is strongly in favour of revoking
article 50 is now acting as the the government, which has been stripped
of its executive powers, and that there is no need to have an election
at all for years.

Democracy is nearly dead now.

Democracy to you in this instance means the will of a non elected PM
advised by an even less elected activist. A PM who sacks his MPs if they
don't agree with him. And attempts to manipulate parliament for his own
ends.

No, it means a HoC stuffed with remainer MPs who want to ignore the
result of a referendum.


they were elected after the referendum.
the election was called to secure more mps to support brexit
guess what the electorate didn't agree.

Its very far from clear that they didnt agree with that.

Its just as likely that they were ****ed off about May
calling a general election when she had said that
she wouldnt do that or that they were ****ed off
about the very high frequency of general elections
and referendums.

On Wed, 25 Sep 2019 14:26:24 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent


Its very far from clear

It is VERY clear that you are a pathological 85-year-old senile idiot from
Oz who managed to get his own website dedicated to his senile trolling!

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