Part P comes in on 1/1/05.

looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

Is there any allowance in the date for work in progress & if so, how
long do you get to finish? Would it depend on the scale of the
project and/or whether it is a project in progress under building regs
approval except for part P?

"jim_in_sussex" wrote in message
om...
Part P comes in on 1/1/05.
Yeah :-(


looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

You can touch anything. You just now need BCO approval for big jobs. These
are listed in the regs.

But diy is fine. There is now no lockout in English law of doing any work
on your house provided you can prove competence to Building Control. No
doubt there will be further attempts at restricting this like the CORGI and
pressurised heating systems fiascos but for now things are fine.

But this does NOT apply to other houses you don't own - for instance
installing a gas boiler for a friend is illegal.



Is there any allowance in the date for work in progress & if so, how
long do you get to finish? Would it depend on the scale of the
project and/or whether it is a project in progress under building regs
approval except for part P?

Yep - provided work is started you are ok. There are thousands of projects
in progress when any change is made to building regs. Imagine the chaos if
one had to change all the windows from one type to another because you
hadn't quite finished the house when the new Part L came out a few years
ago.

G&M wrote:

"jim_in_sussex" wrote in message
om...
Part P comes in on 1/1/05.
Yeah :-(


looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

You can touch anything. You just now need BCO approval for big jobs. These
are listed in the regs.

But diy is fine. There is now no lockout in English law of doing any work
on your house provided you can prove competence to Building Control. No
doubt there will be further attempts at restricting this like the CORGI and
pressurised heating systems fiascos but for now things are fine.

But this does NOT apply to other houses you don't own - for instance
installing a gas boiler for a friend is illegal.

Even if not for 'gain'?

On 06 Aug 2004 11:23:31 GMT, Ian Stirling
wrote:

G&M wrote:

"jim_in_sussex" wrote in message
om...
Part P comes in on 1/1/05.
Yeah :-(


looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

You can touch anything. You just now need BCO approval for big jobs. These
are listed in the regs.

But diy is fine. There is now no lockout in English law of doing any work
on your house provided you can prove competence to Building Control. No
doubt there will be further attempts at restricting this like the CORGI and
pressurised heating systems fiascos but for now things are fine.

But this does NOT apply to other houses you don't own - for instance
installing a gas boiler for a friend is illegal.

Even if not for 'gain'?

Sticky wicket. the legislation does not specify whether money has
to change hands only implies it via employment and self employment.

So if you were to go and install a boiler for a friend and there is a
problem and they decide to sue you because the friend was blown up, it
could be tricky in the hands of an appropriate scumbag (sorry lawyer).




..andy

To email, substitute .nospam with .gl

could be tricky in the hands of an appropriate scumbag (sorry lawyer).

That will be, Scumbag, Scumbag and Soakem, will it ?

Dave
--

Some people use windows, others have a life.

In article ,
G&M wrote:

Yep - provided work is started you are ok. There are thousands of projects
in progress when any change is made to building regs.


Excellent. In that case, I'm currently rewiring my house. Started 6 years
ago and expect to complete it sometime 2023.

Darren

"dmc" wrote
| Yep - provided work is started you are ok. There are thousands
| of projects in progress when any change is made to building regs.
| Excellent. In that case, I'm currently rewiring my house.
| Started 6 years ago and expect to complete it sometime 2023.

I'll buy an empty consumer unit box and attach some meter tails to it. Job
started.

I'll complete it when I've bought a house that needs rewiring.

Owain

"dmc" wrote in message ...
In article ,
G&M wrote:

Yep - provided work is started you are ok. There are thousands of
projects
in progress when any change is made to building regs.


Excellent. In that case, I'm currently rewiring my house. Started 6 years
ago and expect to complete it sometime 2023.

But did you tell them that ? An interesting point - perhaps we should all
write letters to building control before Jan telling them we are in the
middle of major re-wiring.

Though remember you only have 3 years for any building control submission,
or exempt job in the case of a new reg, so Jan 2008 is the cutoff no matter
what.

On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:57:54 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named "G&M"
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

"dmc" wrote in message ...

Excellent. In that case, I'm currently rewiring my house. Started 6 years
ago and expect to complete it sometime 2023.

Though remember you only have 3 years for any building control submission,
or exempt job in the case of a new reg, so Jan 2008 is the cutoff no matter
what.

Once you start, there is no time limit by which the work must be
complete.
--
Hugo Nebula
'What you have to ask yourself is, "if no-one on the internet wants
a piece of this, just how far from the pack have you strayed?"'

"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:57:54 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named "G&M"
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

"dmc" wrote in message
...

Excellent. In that case, I'm currently rewiring my house. Started 6
years
ago and expect to complete it sometime 2023.

Though remember you only have 3 years for any building control
submission,
or exempt job in the case of a new reg, so Jan 2008 is the cutoff no
matter
what.

Once you start, there is no time limit by which the work must be
complete.

Is this a recent change ? We started work in 2003 and the documentation I
have printed out clearly states a three year limit. Yet this is now not on
the web site of the council involved.

"Hugo Nebula" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 6 Aug 2004 19:57:54 +0100, a particular chimpanzee named "G&M"
randomly hit the keyboard and produced:

Also you might like to change your way of refering to people IF YOU DON'T
MIND !!!!!

dmc wrote:
In article ,
G&M wrote:

Yep - provided work is started you are ok. There are thousands of projects
in progress when any change is made to building regs.



Excellent. In that case, I'm currently rewiring my house. Started 6 years
ago and expect to complete it sometime 2023.


I don't expect to ever finish mine

Just keep rolling over from one room to the next...

Darren

"jim_in_sussex" wrote in message
om...
Part P comes in on 1/1/05.

looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

Is there any allowance in the date for work in progress & if so, how
long do you get to finish? Would it depend on the scale of the
project and/or whether it is a project in progress under building regs
approval except for part P?

Ah well, another stupid law to ignore.


--
Richard Sampson

email me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:56:10 +0100, "RichardS" noaccess@invalid
wrote:

"jim_in_sussex" wrote in message
. com...
Part P comes in on 1/1/05.

looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

Is there any allowance in the date for work in progress & if so, how
long do you get to finish? Would it depend on the scale of the
project and/or whether it is a project in progress under building regs
approval except for part P?

Ah well, another stupid law to ignore.

Oh no citizen! You must realise the guillotine is your friend.
It may make your neck a little sore but costly, inconvenient haircuts
will be a thing of the past.
--
Tony Halmarack

Drop the EGG to email me.

"Tony Halmarack" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004 23:56:10 +0100, "RichardS" noaccess@invalid
wrote:

"jim_in_sussex" wrote in message
. com...
Part P comes in on 1/1/05.

looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

Is there any allowance in the date for work in progress & if so, how
long do you get to finish? Would it depend on the scale of the
project and/or whether it is a project in progress under building regs
approval except for part P?

Ah well, another stupid law to ignore.

Oh no citizen! You must realise the guillotine is your friend.
It may make your neck a little sore but costly, inconvenient haircuts
will be a thing of the past.

Hmmm, p'raps I'll start a one-man protest as the 'Lectric Martyr.....

btw, although as someone pointed out it's probably too late now, I feel that
this change deserves a much, much wider audience than it enjoys at the
moment.

Have begun emailing various current affairs programs (R4's PM etc al), my
MP, leaders of opposition parties & jag+2's counterparts, etc, bringing
attention to this issue. Would urge anyone else who feels strongly about
it to do the same - single email may be ignored, but a whole raft of them in
different formats from different people & they start to wonder if there's
any political advantage to be gained in challenging it....


--
Richard Sampson

email me at
richard at olifant d-ot co do-t uk

In article , RichardS
wrote:
Hmmm, p'raps I'll start a one-man protest as the 'Lectric Martyr.....

btw, although as someone pointed out it's probably too late now, I
feel that this change deserves a much, much wider audience than it
enjoys at the moment.

Have begun emailing various current affairs programs (R4's PM etc al),
my MP, leaders of opposition parties & jag+2's counterparts, etc,
bringing attention to this issue.

The daughter of L-D MP Dr Jenny Tonge was fatally electrocuted on July
31. The kitchen had just been refitted:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3549882.stm

so I can't see the LibDems being at all sympathetic. Assuming the wiring
was done by a 'professional' (I do not know whether it was or not) it
just shows that even tighter controls are needed - or so politicians of
all parties would tend to argue.

--
Tony Bryer SDA UK 'Software to build on' http://www.sda.co.uk
Free SEDBUK boiler database browser http://www.sda.co.uk/qsedbuk.htm

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004 15:04:31 UTC, Tony Bryer
wrote:

The daughter of L-D MP Dr Jenny Tonge was fatally electrocuted on July
31. The kitchen had just been refitted:

It's not yet clear (AFAIK) whether it was a faulty appliance.

so I can't see the LibDems being at all sympathetic. Assuming the wiring
was done by a 'professional' (I do not know whether it was or not) it
just shows that even tighter controls are needed - or so politicians of
all parties would tend to argue.

Of course, if it was rewired by an NICEIC person...

--
Bob Eager
begin a new life...dump Windows!

In article ,
"RichardS" noaccess@invalid writes:

Have begun emailing various current affairs programs (R4's PM etc al), my
MP, leaders of opposition parties & jag+2's counterparts, etc, bringing
attention to this issue. Would urge anyone else who feels strongly about
it to do the same - single email may be ignored, but a whole raft of them in
different formats from different people & they start to wonder if there's
any political advantage to be gained in challenging it....

Good luck, but a number of us did this at the consultation stage
and were ignored then. At this point I really don't see it's worth
wasting any time on. I simply cannot see the majority of the 200,000
installation electrical workers who are not part of NICEIC are going
to start handling over £1000/year for no perceived benefit on their
part in the next 6 months, so there is unlikely to be much chance of
getting electrical work done other than by unapproved contractors
from that point on. Existing membership of the trade bodies is very
low, as most of the trade does not seem to like their trade bodies
very much (at least NICEIC, may not be true for ECA).

--
Andrew Gabriel

On 5 Aug 2004 14:59:24 -0700,
(jim_in_sussex) wrote:

Part P comes in on 1/1/05.

looks like a diy killer. What can you touch in house with all mod
cons which doesn't impinge on the electrics?

Is there any allowance in the date for work in progress & if so, how
long do you get to finish? Would it depend on the scale of the
project and/or whether it is a project in progress under building regs
approval except for part P?

Look at it as a deferred payment system. Rather than paying the pros,
you do it yourself, then pay to get it passed.
--
Tony Halmarack

Drop the EGG to email me.