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Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , MM writes On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:06:07 AM UTC+2, MM wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 3 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's Nan wrote: Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy; as are many others like you. Well I've talked about that elsewhere. Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his resignation. As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an election. If the PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which requires a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM. Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore 2/3rds should be no problem. Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election wish. MM Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are unlikely to be achieved ![]() https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...19/09/03/votin g-intent ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11- That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con majority without the DUP. Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be 100 behind the Tories. Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would have to be a leadership contest. Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game? He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery today. You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound - What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, and then be rushed through to the statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal (at least until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that the imminent election will mix things up well enough that something sensible can finally be done with this dire ****show). With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute state of Labours numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was shortly thereafter revealed that theyd more or less tied with the Tories. In other words; dont believe their lies. -- M0TEY // STC www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur |
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On 4 Sep 2019, Stephen Cole wrote
(in article ): Ian wrote: In , MM writes On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:06:07 AM UTC+2, MM wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 3 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's Nan wrote: Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy; as are many others like you. Well I've talked about that elsewhere. Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his resignation. As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an election. If the PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which requires a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM. Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore 2/3rds should be no problem. Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election wish. MM Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are unlikely to be achieved ![]() https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...19/09/03/votin g-intent ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11- That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con majority without the DUP. Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be 100 behind the Tories. Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would have to be a leadership contest. Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game? He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery today. You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound - What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. and then be rushed through to the statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal (at least until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that the imminent election will mix things up well enough that something sensible can finally be done with this dire ****show). With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute state of Labours numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was shortly thereafter revealed that theyd more or less tied with the Tories. In other words; dont believe their lies. |
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On 04/09/2019 17:23, Keema's Nan wrote:
On 4 Sep 2019, Stephen Cole wrote (in article ): Ian wrote: In , MM writes On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:06:07 AM UTC+2, MM wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 3 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's Nan wrote: Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy; as are many others like you. Well I've talked about that elsewhere. Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his resignation. As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an election. If the PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which requires a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM. Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore 2/3rds should be no problem. Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election wish. MM Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are unlikely to be achieved ![]() https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...19/09/03/votin g-intent ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11- That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con majority without the DUP. Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be 100 behind the Tories. Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would have to be a leadership contest. Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game? He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery today. You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound - What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. Steve is just attention seeking. If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies. Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before. |
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![]() "Stephen Cole" wrote in message ... Ian Jackson wrote: In message , MM writes On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:06:07 AM UTC+2, MM wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 3 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's Nan wrote: Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy; as are many others like you. Well I've talked about that elsewhere. Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his resignation. As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an election. If the PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which requires a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM. Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore 2/3rds should be no problem. Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election wish. MM Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are unlikely to be achieved ![]() https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...19/09/03/votin g-intent ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11- That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con majority without the DUP. Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be 100 behind the Tories. Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would have to be a leadership contest. Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game? He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery today. You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound - What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, and then be rushed through to the statute books by early next week, so no deal will become illegal But its not possible for any UK legislation to override the provisions of Article 50 that its a no deal brexit without parliament accepting what the EU offers. The only UK legislation that can do that is revoking Article 50 and there is no evidence that the current parliament will do that this week. (at least until end of January next year but the roll of the dice is that the imminent election will mix things up well enough that something sensible can finally be done with this dire ****show). Its far from clear that there will be a general election before an automatic Article 50 no deal brexit. With regards to polling figures, kindly do try and remember the absolute state of Labours numbers right up until 10pm on polling day when it was shortly thereafter revealed that theyd more or less tied with the Tories. In other words; dont believe their lies. Not lies so much as difficult to poll accurately. |
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On Thu, 5 Sep 2019 06:09:31 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: But its not possible for any UK legislation "UK legislation"? NONE of yours, senile Ozzie cretin! -- The Natural Philosopher about senile Rot: "Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole." Message-ID: |
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On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 17:23:03 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote:
Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. I'm afraid you did. See today's news. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 05/09/2019 09:00, Bob Eager wrote:
On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 17:23:03 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. I'm afraid you did. See today's news. Yup. Its now not just parliament versus the people its parliament versus the government as well. And no pretence of democracy whatsoever. Peoples vote? Only if we wont lose it eh? -- "A point of view can be a dangerous luxury when substituted for insight and understanding". Marshall McLuhan |
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MM wrote:
On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 17:54:21 +0100, Brian Reay wrote: On 04/09/2019 17:23, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Stephen Cole wrote (in article ): Ian wrote: In , MM writes On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:06:07 AM UTC+2, MM wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 3 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's Nan wrote: Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy; as are many others like you. Well I've talked about that elsewhere. Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his resignation. As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an election. If the PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which requires a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM. Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore 2/3rds should be no problem. Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election wish. MM Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are unlikely to be achieved ![]() https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...19/09/03/votin g-intent ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11- That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con majority without the DUP. Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be 100 behind the Tories. Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would have to be a leadership contest. Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game? He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery today. You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound - What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. Steve is just attention seeking. If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies. Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before. He hasn't cut any of Corbyn's options! It is *Boris* who is the lame duck now, as Parliament trashes his attempt to get a general election after the Tories in the House of Lords abandoned their planned filibuster earlier today. The Bill will become law on Monday. Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly been proven to be massively wrong. Hes got absolutely atrocious political instincts. -- M0TEY // STC www.twitter.com/ukradioamateur |
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On 5 Sep 2019 08:52:46 GMT, Stephen Cole
wrote: MM wrote: On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 17:54:21 +0100, Brian Reay wrote: On 04/09/2019 17:23, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Stephen Cole wrote (in article ): Ian wrote: In , MM writes On Wed, 04 Sep 2019 08:49:45 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 4 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Wednesday, September 4, 2019 at 1:06:07 AM UTC+2, MM wrote: On Tue, 03 Sep 2019 15:33:11 +0100, Keema's Nan wrote: On 3 Sep 2019, Roger wrote (in ): On Tuesday, September 3, 2019 at 11:03:04 AM UTC+2, Keema's Nan wrote: Yes. You are missing the whole point of the BoJo strategy; as are many others like you. Well I've talked about that elsewhere. Here I am specifically adressing the case that Boris, in the case that parliament forces the PM to request an extension, hands in his resignation. As far as I can see this does not automatically trigger an election. If the PM resigns parliament must either vote or a general election (which requires a vote with a 2/3 majority), or they must appoint a new PM. Corbyn says he is favour of an early election, and therefore 2/3rds should be no problem. Ah, but Corbyn, quite rightly, doesn't trust Boris Johnson to stick to the election date of, so far, 14 October. That's why Corbyn demanded tonight that Royal Assent first be granted to the Bill that will have been passed by the House of Commons AND the House of Lords. Only after the RA is fact would Labour consider giving in to Boris's election wish. MM Of course the fact that the Conservatives lead the polls with 10 points over labour and rising has nothing to do with Corbyn imposing conditions that are unlikely to be achieved ![]() https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics...19/09/03/votin g-intent ion-con-35-lab-25-lib-dem-16-brex-11- That was the situation yesterday evening...those figures would restore a con majority without the DUP. Those poll figures would also see Labour lose another 40 seats, and then be 100 behind the Tories. Therefore Corbyn would have no alternative but to resign, and there would have to be a leadership contest. Who was it that mentioned Corbyn was playing a smart game? He's playing a very smart game by not falling for Johnson's trickery today. You think so? It seems that we're increasingly no-deal Brexit-bound - What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. I?m afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. Steve is just attention seeking. If he was so confident, he won't need to make up all these fantasies. Boris has got this all planned out - he's cut off every one of Corbyn's options. True, the one Corbyn is currently going for is going to be the most controversial but Boris has a plan for it which was been used before. He hasn't cut any of Corbyn's options! It is *Boris* who is the lame duck now, as Parliament trashes his attempt to get a general election after the Tories in the House of Lords abandoned their planned filibuster earlier today. The Bill will become law on Monday. Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly been proven to be massively wrong. Hes got absolutely atrocious political instincts. Would you expect anything less from the Basingtoke Gazette's political correspondant? |
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Pamela wrote:
Every single prediction Brian has made over the last 3 years has quickly been proven to be massively wrong. Hes got absolutely atrocious political instincts. Would you expect anything less from the Basingtoke Gazette's political correspondant? last time I saw Basingstoke it was like a giant housing estate with too many roundabouts and dual carriageways. Sorry to be such a snob but the better class of people who work there live in Winchester or somewhere similar nearby but never in Basingstoke proper. It was a reasonably ordinary Hampshire town till it was unfortunately chosen to be a London overspill location and the dross from East London Council estates sent there approximately 55 years ago which swamped it ,given the propensity of such people to replicate themselves amongst the same circle of acquaintances as they reach 14 we are nearly on the the 4th wave of inbreds . At least Andover which suffered a similar fate had the squaddies from the camps on Salisbury plain visiting on a night out to provide some different genes when they inseminated the underage schoolgirls though the result has lead to quite a few illegitimate thugs over the years. GH |
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Keema's Nan wrote: What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. Tee-hee. Yet another Brexiteer's crystal ball shatters. -- *I speak fluent patriarchy but it's not my mother tongue Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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Pamela wrote:
On 21:22 6 Sep 2019, Marland wrote: last time I saw Basingstoke it was like a giant housing estate with too many roundabouts and dual carriageways. Sorry to be such a snob but the better class of people who work there live in Winchester or somewhere similar nearby but never in Basingstoke proper. It was a reasonably ordinary Hampshire town till it was unfortunately chosen to be a London overspill location and the dross from East London Council estates sent there approximately 55 years ago which swamped it ,given the propensity of such people to replicate themselves amongst the same circle of acquaintances as they reach 14 we are nearly on the the 4th wave of inbreds . I hadn't realise there was an influx of residents from East London to basingstoke. I knew a friend who lived on the charmless Deepdene Estate and it always seemed very characterless and with more chavs than normal. Best thing about Basingstoke are the fast roads out of it. To be fair it is probably getting better nowadays compared to about 30 years ago when I went there for work purposes a couple of times a week. Hampshire CC located their milestone museum there which is a collection of artefacts and displays from the counties industrial and social past , it is no Beamish or Blackcountry Museum but is a good effort nevertheless. https://www.milestonesmuseum.org.uk Basing house on the outskirts is pleasant enough to visit if you like old buildings and gardens. https://www.hampshireculture.org.uk/basing-house GH |
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On 07/09/2019 13:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article .com, Keema's Nan wrote: What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. Tee-hee. Yet another Brexiteer's crystal ball shatters. Prophecy is so easy with hindsight, isn't it? But it's not a lot of use. |
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Norman Wells wrote: On 07/09/2019 13:30, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article .com, Keema's Nan wrote: What on Earth makes you think that? The legislation being debated this afternoon is almost certain to pass, Only in the Commons. The Lords are already well into filibustering so that the necessary legislation will run out of time. Im afraid you have counted your chickens far too early. Tee-hee. Yet another Brexiteer's crystal ball shatters. Prophecy is so easy with hindsight, isn't it? But it's not a lot of use. Prophecy based on a crystal ball - the Brexiteer standard - never is. -- *I got a job at a bakery because I kneaded dough.* Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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