I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

On 02/06/2019 21:41, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

I think you have to continue your hunt for one with the outflow in the
right place? I would have thought a waste 1/2 way along the long
dimension would be available from somewhere!

On 02/06/2019 22:09, Fredxx wrote:
On 02/06/2019 21:41, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining
room so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in
so a shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

I think you have to continue your hunt for one with the outflow in the
right place? I would have thought a waste 1/2 way along the long
dimension would be available from somewhere!


A cheap one?

https://www.ergonomicdesigns.co.uk/p...ower-tray.html

There are others

On 02/06/2019 21:41, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR



Is that sketch accurate? Not much overlap where the joists are joined.
or is there a support underneath?

A very large tray with the drain in the middle is not a great idea. They
can snap in the middle, because that is the thinnest point and that's
also the most stressed point.

Mira do a 1400 x 800 with the waste at one end. Too long for you?

I thought you were going to raise everything up a bit, so does it matter
where the joist is?

On 02/06/2019 22:09, Fredxx wrote:
I think you have to continue your hunt for one with the outflow in the
right place? I would have thought a waste 1/2 way along the long
dimension would be available from somewhere!

yes I can get them but trying to avoid as the plumber would prefer to
get the waste as near to the stack as possible and avoid going through
several joists and at that point I will have laid the overboarding so
the access to connect would have to be from the adjoining room.

On 02/06/2019 22:15, GB wrote:
Is that sketch accurate? Not much overlap where the joists are joined.
or is there a support underneath?

.........I believe it maybe a support wall underneath, it is not to scale.

A very large tray with the drain in the middle is not a great idea. They
can snap in the middle, because that is the thinnest point and that's
also the most stressed point.

Mira do a 1400 x 800 with the waste at one end. Too long for you?

............I will check that out.

I thought you were going to raise everything up a bit, so does it matter
where the joist is?

...No, I wanted low profile and the plumber has had a look and can
accommodate the waste a bit lower down in the stack. I think he is going
to add an additional piece in to the waste stack but a bit lower than
the current one.

On 02/06/2019 22:13, Fredxx wrote:
I think you have to continue your hunt for one with the outflow in the
right place? I would have thought a waste 1/2 way along the long
dimension would be available from somewhere!


A cheap one?

https://www.ergonomicdesigns.co.uk/p...ower-tray.html


There are others

I dont want the waste half way along the length as that creates more issues.

On Sunday, 2 June 2019 21:41:49 UTC+1, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.


NT

On 02/06/2019 21:41, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

When I put in our shower, there was a joist partly in the way. I used a
shallow waste, with an elbow mounted straight onto it, dropping down the
side of the joist and notched the joist (and the floorboard above from
underneath to clear the elbow). The notch in the joist was only a few mm
more than already used elsewhere by 3/4" pipes installed from new and
the joist was no longer having to support a full bath, so a little loss
of strength did not concern me.

SteveW

On 02/06/2019 22:44, Steve Walker wrote:
When I put in our shower, there was a joist partly in the way. I used a
shallow waste, with an elbow mounted straight onto it, dropping down the
side of the joist and notched the joist (and the floorboard above from
underneath to clear the elbow). The notch in the joist was only a few mm
more than already used elsewhere by 3/4" pipes installed from new and
the joist was no longer having to support a full bath, so a little loss
of strength did not concern me.

Unfortunately this waste would be bang right in the middle of the joist
so would need to take approx half the depth of the joist away.

I am now thinking about a narrow shelf (maybe 3 inches) at the opposite
end to the waste pipe end so I could slide the tray down towards the
waste by the required amount. I just wonder if I could seal the `shelf`
properly to make it watertight.

On 02/06/2019 22:37, wrote:
An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.

I will google that for further info, thanks Tabby..

On Monday, 3 June 2019 00:27:10 UTC+1, ss wrote:
On 02/06/2019 22:37, tabbypurr wrote:

An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.

I will google that for further info, thanks Tabby..

same method as used for loft floor openings


NT

An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.

+1

Richard

On 03/06/2019 10:04, wrote:
On Monday, 3 June 2019 00:27:10 UTC+1, ss wrote:
On 02/06/2019 22:37, tabbypurr wrote:

An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.

I will google that for further info, thanks Tabby..

same method as used for loft floor openings

The term usually used for these is "stringers"


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On 02/06/2019 22:25, ss wrote:
On 02/06/2019 22:13, Fredxx wrote:
I think you have to continue your hunt for one with the outflow in
the right place? I would have thought a waste 1/2 way along the long
dimension would be available from somewhere!


A cheap one?

https://www.ergonomicdesigns.co.uk/p...ower-tray.html


There are others

I dont want the waste half way along the length as that creates more
issues.

So what solution are you looking for exactly?

(I have a catalogue here with hundreds of trays of all shapes and sizes,
and quite a variety of water outlet positions, I can look for a
(slightly) different size if you want?).

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On 03/06/2019 10:33, John Rumm wrote:
So what solution are you looking for exactly?

(I have a catalogue here with hundreds of trays of all shapes and sizes,
and quite a variety of water outlet positions, I can look for a
(slightly) different size if you want?).

The plumber is coming back out tomorrow to look at options for me, will
see how that goes first.

On 02/06/2019 22:37, wrote:
On Sunday, 2 June 2019 21:41:49 UTC+1, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.


NT

Or, as you don't need to use the full depth of the joist, cut away what
you need to, and use galvanised steel heavy duty restraint straps bolted
either side of the joists at the bottom to strengthen what's left.
Pre-drilled 5mm thick by 30mm wide seems commonly available.

Cheers
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On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:41:43 +0100
ss wrote:

I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining
room so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of
walk-in so a shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber
will make connections though.
See image.

You could custom make to your own requirements in concrete and/or GRP.

Rob Morley Wrote in message:
On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 21:41:43 +0100
ss wrote:

I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining
room so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of
walk-in so a shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber
will make connections though.
See image.

You could custom make to your own requirements in concrete and/or GRP.


Looking forward to the photos already ;-)
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On Monday, 3 June 2019 12:14:47 UTC+1, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 02/06/2019 22:37, tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 2 June 2019 21:41:49 UTC+1, ss wrote:

I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR

An option not yet mentioned is to add crosspieces between joists each side of the cut so the joist you cut gets supported by its neighbours.


NT

Or, as you don't need to use the full depth of the joist, cut away what
you need to, and use galvanised steel heavy duty restraint straps bolted
either side of the joists at the bottom to strengthen what's left.
Pre-drilled 5mm thick by 30mm wide seems commonly available.

Cheers

You could. I wouldn't like to.


NT

On 02/06/2019 21:41, ss wrote:
I havent ordered tray yet.
Ideally I want a 1200 x 800 tray.
Unfortunately the waste connection would be directly above a joist.
A longer 1300 tray all appear to have the waste in the middle of the
tray and would need to attempt access to connect from the adjoining room
so trying to avoid that. I am trying to achieve a sort of walk-in so a
shorter tray I am trying to avoid.

Any thoughts on how to solve this I am reasonable at DIY, plumber will
make connections though.
See image.

https://imgur.com/fOlOTuR


Quick question?

Which is the shortest?

The Hundred Years War or your bathroom refit?

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On 03/06/2019 20:47, ARW wrote:
Quick question?

Which is the shortest?

The Hundred Years War or your bathroom refit?

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Safe to bet on the 100 years war
Downstairs bathroom took me about 2 months,
In speed mode with this one probably about 5-6 weeks.