Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard
and a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've
no permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.

Well here we get them sent to us, but the problem is I have no car but I
still have to pay them for a garden waste bin nonetheless.

I think that if you are doing more than a certain amount you are deemed
commercial these days and have to hire a company to remove it for you who
has the required paperwork. Many people tend to use neighbours to get around
it.
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"R D S" wrote in message
...
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard and
a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've no
permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.

R D S wrote:
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard
and a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've
no permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.


Did you rock up in a white van or other obvious trade persons vehicle?

Tim

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R D S wrote:

A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Round here it costs £3 to dispose of a 1.8mx0.9m sheet of plasterboard,
that only costs £5.50 to buy in B&Q ... alternatively you crumble it up
and sneak it into the wheelie bin over a few weeks.

On 11/04/2019 16:13, Andy Burns wrote:
R D S wrote:

A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Round here it costs £3 to dispose of a 1.8mx0.9m sheet of plasterboard,
that only costs £5.50 to buy in B&Q ... alternatively you crumble it up
and sneak it into the wheelie bin over a few weeks.

Sadly the reason they have imposed this restriction on plasterboard is
to stop it going into general waste, although it has had exactly the
opposite effect. My lot you have to dispose of it by being weighed in
and out over a weighbridge shared with laden skips on beat-waste trucks.

Apparently in the reducing environment of a refuse tip the sulphate gets
reduced to hydrogen sulphide and has been causing them problems.

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Martin Brown wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

Round here it costs £3 to dispose of a 1.8mx0.9m sheet of
plasterboard, that only costs £5.50 to buy in B&Q ... alternatively
you crumble it up and sneak it into the wheelie bin over a few weeks.

Sadly the reason they have imposed this restriction on plasterboard is
to stop it going into general waste

I'm aware of that, they used to have a separate plasterboard skip at the
tip, and I always made use of it, keeping it separate

although it has had exactly the opposite effect.

yep.

"R D S" wrote in message
...
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard and
a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've no
permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.

Some years ago I dug up a large pile (maybe several hundredweight) of
sandstone sheets (naturally occurring, in the sandy soil). I took most of
the smaller pieces to the tip in refuse bags, at a time when it was still
free to dispose of rubble as long as you didn't take more that n bags per
month - so I took n bags per month to each of several tips in the area
(nothing wrong with playing the system).

The rest ended up in a large pile at the bottom of the garden. By that
stage, tips were charging colossal sums of money - we worked out that it
would have cost over £100 to dispose of it. We could have hired a skip,
which would probably have been cheaper, but it was overkill for something
that would barely cover the bottom of a skip. The official explanation for
what people should do with their waste rubble was "advertise locally to see
if anyone wants rubble for filling potholes in farm tracks". Oh yeah. I bet
you'd get a *lot* of takers...

So my wife build a "dry stone wall" of the slabs, alongside part of the
hedge beside a brick compost heap, where we had problems with local dogs
getting in when their owners let them off the lead while going for a walk
along the unofficial "footpath" at the bottom of the garden.

The concept of paying to dispose of any waste, over and above normal council
tax, seems fundamentally wrong when *I* transport it to the tip and don't
even want someone else to collect it.


We were also expected to pay extra if we wanted the council to collect
garden waste. Initially it was free. The council sounded aghast when I asked
them to collect the bin, and said that we'd take our garden waste to the tip
ourselves for free.

On 11/04/2019 16:13, Tim+ wrote:
R D S wrote:
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard
and a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've
no permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.


Did you rock up in a white van or other obvious trade persons vehicle?

Tim


No, car, all 'inert' waste needs this permit apparently, domestic or not.

On 11/04/2019 16:46, NY wrote:
"R D S" wrote in message
...
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard
and a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've
no permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.

Some years ago I dug up a large pile (maybe several hundredweight) of
sandstone sheets (naturally occurring, in the sandy soil). I took most
of the smaller pieces to the tip in refuse bags, at a time when it was
still free to dispose of rubble as long as you didn't take more that n
bags per month - so I took n bags per month to each of several tips in
the area (nothing wrong with playing the system).

The rest ended up in a large pile at the bottom of the garden. By that
stage, tips were charging colossal sums of money - we worked out that it
would have cost over £100 to dispose of it. We could have hired a skip,
which would probably have been cheaper, but it was overkill for
something that would barely cover the bottom of a skip. The official
explanation for what people should do with their waste rubble was
"advertise locally to see if anyone wants rubble for filling potholes in
farm tracks". Oh yeah. I bet you'd get a *lot* of takers...

So my wife build a "dry stone wall" of the slabs, alongside part of the
hedge beside a brick compost heap, where we had problems with local dogs
getting in when their owners let them off the lead while going for a
walk along the unofficial "footpath" at the bottom of the garden.

The concept of paying to dispose of any waste, over and above normal
council tax, seems fundamentally wrong when *I* transport it to the tip
and don't even want someone else to collect it.


We were also expected to pay extra if we wanted the council to collect
garden waste. Initially it was free. The council sounded aghast when I
asked them to collect the bin, and said that we'd take our garden waste
to the tip ourselves for free.

Our council introduced a charge for garden waste two years ago. We kept
the bin though, as it is still used for food waste and cut flowers are
also allowed.

As we didn't pay for the garden waste removal service, we didn't get a
sticker and so couldn't put such waste out in the bin - so I bought an
old style, round, black bin and just took that along to the tip every so
often.

I am assuming that they had a lot of people do the same and got a lot
less money in than they expected, as the charge is being dropped from June.

SteveW

Steve Walker Wrote in message:
On 11/04/2019 16:46, NY wrote:
"R D S" wrote in message
...
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard
and a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've
no permit.

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Less than one bag per month on average? I've a fairly big project on.

In a town that (like many/most others?) has a fly tipping problem.

Pure genius.

Some years ago I dug up a large pile (maybe several hundredweight) of
sandstone sheets (naturally occurring, in the sandy soil). I took most
of the smaller pieces to the tip in refuse bags, at a time when it was
still free to dispose of rubble as long as you didn't take more that n
bags per month - so I took n bags per month to each of several tips in
the area (nothing wrong with playing the system).

The rest ended up in a large pile at the bottom of the garden. By that
stage, tips were charging colossal sums of money - we worked out that it
would have cost over £100 to dispose of it. We could have hired a skip,
which would probably have been cheaper, but it was overkill for
something that would barely cover the bottom of a skip. The official
explanation for what people should do with their waste rubble was
"advertise locally to see if anyone wants rubble for filling potholes in
farm tracks". Oh yeah. I bet you'd get a *lot* of takers...

So my wife build a "dry stone wall" of the slabs, alongside part of the
hedge beside a brick compost heap, where we had problems with local dogs
getting in when their owners let them off the lead while going for a
walk along the unofficial "footpath" at the bottom of the garden.

The concept of paying to dispose of any waste, over and above normal
council tax, seems fundamentally wrong when *I* transport it to the tip
and don't even want someone else to collect it.


We were also expected to pay extra if we wanted the council to collect
garden waste. Initially it was free. The council sounded aghast when I
asked them to collect the bin, and said that we'd take our garden waste
to the tip ourselves for free.

Our council introduced a charge for garden waste two years ago. We kept
the bin though, as it is still used for food waste and cut flowers are
also allowed.

As we didn't pay for the garden waste removal service, we didn't get a
sticker and so couldn't put such waste out in the bin - so I bought an
old style, round, black bin and just took that along to the tip every so
often.

I am assuming that they had a lot of people do the same and got a lot
less money in than they expected, as the charge is being dropped from June.

SteveW


To be replaced by a charge at the tip
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On 11/04/2019 16:06, R D S wrote:
Rocked up at the tip yesterday, with a few big pieces of plasterboard
and a couple of croc tubs of ****e only to be turned away because i've
no permit.


My local tip requires proof of address before being allowed in. They
accept a photo driving licence with an appropriate address. They make no
check on how often you use it but do ask about what you are dumping -
mainly to direct you to specialised skips for certain types of waste.

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On Thu, 11 Apr 2019 16:06:06 +0100, R D S wrote:

Apparently since Feb you've to apply to the council for a permit, with
which I will be able to dispose of 10 x 25k bags per year.
A 25k bag of plasterboard? I've to break it into ####ing bits?

Cumbria County Council:

Permit required if you are disposing of general houshold waste and
drive any sized van, a pickup or use a twin axle trailer less than 3m
in length. Single use, last a month, free.

Permit required if you are disposing of recycables and drive any
sized van, a pickup or use a twin axle trailer less than 3m in
length. Multiple use, last a year, free.

No limits on quantity of waste, other than that imposed by only
allowing a single general waste trip per month in a van/pickup/2 axle
trailer.

No permits, no limits, no charges if you turn up in a car.

Northumberland County Council:

Each household has a maximum of 12, single use, vehicle permits per
year (vehicles loosely as above), free.

There is a limit of 6 cubic yards of "DIY waste", per household per
year some of which is chargeable. £2/per bag (bag being the size that
25 kg of sand comes in). There is also charging based on vehicle (inc
cars) and how full they are for "DIY waste".

Both are of course only supposed to be used by residents of the
appropiate county. Stuff that, we live in Cumbria (just) but go to
Hexham (Northumberland) far more than anywhere else in Cumbria, guess
which HWRC we use...

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"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
Both are of course only supposed to be used by residents of the
appropiate county. Stuff that, we live in Cumbria (just) but go to
Hexham (Northumberland) far more than anywhere else in Cumbria, guess
which HWRC we use...

We used to live near Malton, and the North Yorkshire tip in Malton and the
York City tip in Strensall were more or less equidistant so I used both...
until York started checking for ID and I was turned away because I wasn't a
resident of York City "county". As an aside, even many locals cannot get
their brains around the concept of York being in a county of its own, and
not being part of North, West or East Yorkshire or the three Ridings that
preceded those 1974 counties.

It is interesting how some tips have staff who are far more willing to help
unload cars than at other tips. When I used to live in Oxfordshire, the
staff, especially at Redbridge, wouldn't lift a finger to help, and were
there only to try to catch people out who were putting things in the wrong
skips (*). In North Yorkshire, Malton, Thornton-le-Dale and Wombleton (**)
usually leave people to manage on their own, though more recently they are
willing to help if you ask them. Leyburn, the nearest tip to where we live
at the moment, are very willing to help: sometimes I've barely reversed up
to the skips when the boot is opened and one of the cheery staff is starting
to empty my trugs of garden waste. On one occasion I had to stop him from
taking something that *I* knew was not to be thrown away, but happened to be
in the boot; I should have anticipated what would happen and put in on the
back seat instead...


(*) I once asked "Where do I put this?" and was greeted with a shrug and a
grunt, so I said "Thank you for being so helpful" and put it in the most
sensible one. At that point, he yelled at me for putting it in the wrong
one - he kept going on and on, repeating himself many times over. I pointed
out that I'd asked him and he hadn't deigned to give me a sensible answer.
"You should have known" was his answer.

(**) I kid you not: I love the idea of Wombles of Wombleton collecting
"things that everyday folk leave behind" ;-)

On 12/04/2019 09:24, NY wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
Both are of course only supposed to be used by residents of the
appropiate county. Stuff that, we live in Cumbria (just) but go to
Hexham (Northumberland) far more than anywhere else in Cumbria, guess
which HWRC we use...

We used to live near Malton, and the North Yorkshire tip in Malton and
the York City tip in Strensall were more or less equidistant so I used
both... until York started checking for ID and I was turned away because
I wasn't a resident of York City "county". As an aside, even many locals
cannot get their brains around the concept of York being in a county of
its own, and not being part of North, West or East Yorkshire or the
three Ridings that preceded those 1974 counties.

It is interesting how some tips have staff who are far more willing to
help unload cars than at other tips. When I used to live in Oxfordshire,
the staff, especially at Redbridge, wouldn't lift a finger to help, and
were there only to try to catch people out who were putting things in
the wrong skips (*). In North Yorkshire, Malton, Thornton-le-Dale and
Wombleton (**) usually leave people to manage on their own, though more
recently they are willing to help if you ask them. Leyburn, the nearest
tip to where we live at the moment, are very willing to help: sometimes
I've barely reversed up to the skips when the boot is opened and one of
the cheery staff is starting to empty my trugs of garden waste. On one
occasion I had to stop him from taking something that *I* knew was not
to be thrown away, but happened to be in the boot; I should have
anticipated what would happen and put in on the back seat instead...


(*) I once asked "Where do I put this?" and was greeted with a shrug and
a grunt, so I said "Thank you for being so helpful" and put it in the
most sensible one. At that point, he yelled at me for putting it in the
wrong one - he kept going on and on, repeating himself many times over.
I pointed out that I'd asked him and he hadn't deigned to give me a
sensible answer. "You should have known" was his answer.

The staff at one of our local tips are less than helpful too. The tip
has bays painted on the ground, at an angle. If it is busy (which it
usually is) and you have to reverse in with a trailer, the bay is not
long enough. At quieter times I can simply swing across a number of
bays, pull forward and stop with the car at the front of the bay and the
trailer at a sharp angle across the bottom of the bay and the one next
to it.

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer
stick a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet -
he just couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no
vehicle would have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole
place would have simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of
two options.

SteveW

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:39:55 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer
stick a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet -
he just couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no
vehicle would have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole
place would have simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of
two options.

Best to call their bluff, get back in and say where do you want me to
park? When it all clogs up take the time to expalin to the drivers
that are obstructed that you had left room but where told to park how
you are by the site operative. Of course all this friendly chat with
other drivers means your not unloading...

Also compalin about the layout to the council and site operator
(probably a private company). Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

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Dave.

On 12/04/2019 10:24, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:39:55 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer
stick a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet -
he just couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no
vehicle would have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole
place would have simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of
two options.

Best to call their bluff, get back in and say where do you want me to
park? When it all clogs up take the time to expalin to the drivers
that are obstructed that you had left room but where told to park how
you are by the site operative. Of course all this friendly chat with
other drivers means your not unloading...

I have been know to act like that on some occassions, but I don't really
like to cause trouble for innocent people.

Also compalin about the layout to the council and site operator
(probably a private company).

I did do and yes, it is a private company.

Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

I can reverse it fortunately, but that becomes impossible if the load is
low and I can't then see it at all unless its already turned far out of
line. I will get around to welding at least one and possibly two tubes
on at some point, specifically to hold corner marker poles.

SteveW

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:39:55 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer
stick a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet -
he just couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no
vehicle would have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole
place would have simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of
two options.

Best to call their bluff, get back in and say where do you want me to
park? When it all clogs up take the time to expalin to the drivers
that are obstructed that you had left room but where told to park how
you are by the site operative. Of course all this friendly chat with
other drivers means your not unloading...

Also compalin about the layout to the council and site operator
(probably a private company). Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

My local tip has bays marked at 45 degrees to the way you come in, so you
drive past a space and reverse into it. One day I was there and a guy in a
big 4x4 drove in sideways, across about 4 parking spaces, instead of
reversing into one of the bays. I was watching him carefully because he
nearly drove into the side of my car. The staff just stood there and did
nothing - not even a discrete word in his ear "would you like to park
properly in one of the bays so other people can park next to you". But when
someone else reversed into a bay next him, and had to straddle one of the
lines slightly in order to avoid his rear end, the staff gave *him* a
bollocking for not parking properly. Talk about double standards...

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

I can reverse it fortunately, but that becomes impossible if the load is
low and I can't then see it at all unless its already turned far out of
line. I will get around to welding at least one and possibly two tubes on
at some point, specifically to hold corner marker poles.

I've seen people come in towing trailers, unhitch the trailer and trundle it
into the space resting on the jockey wheel, then park the car next to it.
Seems a fairly sensible way of getting round the fact that they can't
reverse the trailer, especially when there isn't room to swing the car out
to get the trailer pointing correctly into the bay. I have the greatest
sympathy, because I cannot reverse anything articulated to save my life: I
can't even reverse in a straight line without the trailer starting
inexorably to swing one way or the other without being able to correct it,
never mind being able to do anything fancy like pointing the trailer/caravan
at an angle to the direction I was driving in to fit through a gateway or
into a parking bay. I'd definitely be one of the naff "unhitch and manoeuvre
by hand" brigade :-)

I saw one tip that was very sensibly laid out: as you approached, the road
divided into lots of parallel sections, each with a skip next to it and each
with its own exit back to the common exit road. That meant that no reversing
was needed, and no car's reversing impeded the exit of any other car, apart
from the merging into a single exit lane which was consistently marked out
so every lane gave way to the one on its right, like roundabout rules. And
the ramps where the cars parked were raised off the ground so the lip of the
skip was only slightly above "ground" level - you let the car drive up to
the correct height rather than having to walk up steps beside each skip to
get to the height to throw things into the skip.

The worst was Malton tip where there was no way for the lorries to remove
the skips while cars were driving in and out, so every time a skip was full
and a lorry arrived to take it away, they had to close the tip and clear all
the cars out while the lorry reversed up, picked up the skip, stopped for a
cup of tea and a chat with his mates (*) and then drove out. Meanwhile a
long queue of cars had to wait on the entry road until the tip re-opened,
queuing on a minor road and then round the corner onto a more major road,
which blocked access of all through traffic, and also all traffic wanting to
get to the rest of the industrial estate.


(*) I'm not joking: I did once see a driver stop for a natter with his mates
after he'd finished picking up the skip.

On 12/04/2019 11:40, NY wrote:
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

I can reverse it fortunately, but that becomes impossible if the load
is low and I can't then see it at all unless its already turned far
out of line. I will get around to welding at least one and possibly
two tubes on at some point, specifically to hold corner marker poles.

I've seen people come in towing trailers, unhitch the trailer and
trundle it into the space resting on the jockey wheel, then park the car
next to it. Seems a fairly sensible way of getting round the fact that
they can't reverse the trailer, especially when there isn't room to
swing the car out to get the trailer pointing correctly into the bay.

Unfortunately my trailer has no jockey wheel. I could add one, but as it
has no brakes, it won't stay where its put then. I can manouvre it by
hand, but when it is heavily loaded, I don't want to put too much strain
on my badly arthritic knees.

I
have the greatest sympathy, because I cannot reverse anything
articulated to save my life: I can't even reverse in a straight line
without the trailer starting inexorably to swing one way or the other
without being able to correct it, never mind being able to do anything
fancy like pointing the trailer/caravan at an angle to the direction I
was driving in to fit through a gateway or into a parking bay. I'd
definitely be one of the naff "unhitch and manoeuvre by hand" brigade :-)

Some people find it easy, some find it hard, most struggle but can get
the hang of it with practice. Once you can get the hang of thinking
which direction you need to push the nose of the trailer and hence which
direction you want to reverse the car, you can set off properly. After
that it is just a case of making small corrections and switching to
following the trailer round rather than steering the opposite way as you
do to start the turn.

A caravan is far easier than a small trailer because the axle is so much
further back from the hitch and so it goes off course much more slowly
and makes overcorrection less of a problem too.

I saw one tip that was very sensibly laid out: as you approached, the
road divided into lots of parallel sections, each with a skip next to it
and each with its own exit back to the common exit road. That meant that
no reversing was needed, and no car's reversing impeded the exit of any
other car, apart from the merging into a single exit lane which was
consistently marked out so every lane gave way to the one on its right,
like roundabout rules. And the ramps where the cars parked were raised
off the ground so the lip of the skip was only slightly above "ground"
level - you let the car drive up to the correct height rather than
having to walk up steps beside each skip to get to the height to throw
things into the skip.

Sounds good. Ours has the skips all side by side along the whole length
of the site, with parking spaces angled, so reversing is required. The
whole area used by cars, plus walkways between the skips is raised up.
The skips for large appliances actually have a removeable, chain section
of the walkway fence and a fold down drawbridge so that you don't have
to lift a washing machine up off the (provided) sack truck.

The worst was Malton tip where there was no way for the lorries to
remove the skips while cars were driving in and out, so every time a
skip was full and a lorry arrived to take it away, they had to close the
tip and clear all the cars out while the lorry reversed up, picked up
the skip, stopped for a cup of tea and a chat with his mates (*) and
then drove out. Meanwhile a long queue of cars had to wait on the entry
road until the tip re-opened, queuing on a minor road and then round the
corner onto a more major road, which blocked access of all through
traffic, and also all traffic wanting to get to the rest of the
industrial estate.

When a skip is full at our tip, they close the gates to the walkways
either side and open the gates to another one. Meanwhile the wheeled
excavator packs the first one down using a giant, steel, toothed,
roller. If there is enough space, they reopen the gates, otherwise they
swap the skip for an empty one. There is plenty of space for a number of
extra full or empty skips to be stored and for multiple wagons to be in
the yard at the same time.

(*) I'm not joking: I did once see a driver stop for a natter with his
mates after he'd finished picking up the skip.

That's the sort of thing that gets me going over to them and pointing
out that they are holding a lot of people up.

SteveW

On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 11:40:46 +0100, NY wrote:

Frequently the layout of places misses basic common sense facts,
like
not everyone can reverse a trailer into a parking bay.

I can reverse it fortunately, but that becomes impossible if the
load
is low and I can't then see it at all unless its already turned
far out
of line.

Oh good, not being able to see the trailer is a reason for not being
able to reverse it. I've tried to reverse mine and have ended up
almost jack knifed. Can't see the trailer at all until it's gone too
far.

I know the theory and can reverse a flatbed trolley moderately
successfully but trailer is likely to end up not good.

I've seen people come in towing trailers, unhitch the trailer and
trundle it into the space resting on the jockey wheel,

Pragmatic, no point in faffing about cocking up a reverse when it'd
be far quicker to unhitch and push.

I pity the arctic drivers that deliver to our local Co-op. Not only
is there only just enough space to swing the cab around, they have to
get close, less and 12", to a wall higher than ten trailer as the
loading bay is to the side. But the ground isn't flat, where the
donkey is maneuvering has a steady slope up, a few feet adjacent to
the wall is flat but further away also slopes up. Meaning the rear
top offside corner of the trailer is somewhat closer to the wall than
the trailers rear wheels, until the trailer is almost parallel to the
wall.

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"Steve Walker" wrote in message
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On 12/04/2019 09:24, NY wrote:
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
Both are of course only supposed to be used by residents of the
appropiate county. Stuff that, we live in Cumbria (just) but go to
Hexham (Northumberland) far more than anywhere else in Cumbria, guess
which HWRC we use...

We used to live near Malton, and the North Yorkshire tip in Malton and
the York City tip in Strensall were more or less equidistant so I used
both... until York started checking for ID and I was turned away because
I wasn't a resident of York City "county". As an aside, even many locals
cannot get their brains around the concept of York being in a county of
its own, and not being part of North, West or East Yorkshire or the three
Ridings that preceded those 1974 counties.

It is interesting how some tips have staff who are far more willing to
help unload cars than at other tips. When I used to live in Oxfordshire,
the staff, especially at Redbridge, wouldn't lift a finger to help, and
were there only to try to catch people out who were putting things in the
wrong skips (*). In North Yorkshire, Malton, Thornton-le-Dale and
Wombleton (**) usually leave people to manage on their own, though more
recently they are willing to help if you ask them. Leyburn, the nearest
tip to where we live at the moment, are very willing to help: sometimes
I've barely reversed up to the skips when the boot is opened and one of
the cheery staff is starting to empty my trugs of garden waste. On one
occasion I had to stop him from taking something that *I* knew was not to
be thrown away, but happened to be in the boot; I should have anticipated
what would happen and put in on the back seat instead...


(*) I once asked "Where do I put this?" and was greeted with a shrug and
a grunt, so I said "Thank you for being so helpful" and put it in the
most sensible one. At that point, he yelled at me for putting it in the
wrong one - he kept going on and on, repeating himself many times over. I
pointed out that I'd asked him and he hadn't deigned to give me a
sensible answer. "You should have known" was his answer.

The staff at one of our local tips are less than helpful too. The tip has
bays painted on the ground, at an angle. If it is busy (which it usually
is) and you have to reverse in with a trailer, the bay is not long enough.
At quieter times I can simply swing across a number of bays, pull forward
and stop with the car at the front of the bay and the trailer at a sharp
angle across the bottom of the bay and the one next to it.

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer stick
a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet - he just
couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no vehicle would
have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole place would have
simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of two options.

There's a reason that thats the best job he can manage.

"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:39:55 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer
stick a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet -
he just couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no
vehicle would have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole
place would have simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of
two options.

Best to call their bluff, get back in and say where do you want me to
park? When it all clogs up take the time to expalin to the drivers
that are obstructed that you had left room but where told to park how
you are by the site operative. Of course all this friendly chat with
other drivers means your not unloading...

Also compalin about the layout to the council and site operator
(probably a private company). Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

Problem is that its just not feasible to design the dump so that
those who can't back a trailer can dump their rubbish and still
have the dump handle the same volume of traffic.

"NY" wrote in message
...
"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
idual.net...
On Fri, 12 Apr 2019 09:39:55 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

One busy day, I had one have a right go at me for having my trailer
stick a couple of feet into the walkway, narrowing it to about 3 feet -
he just couldn't accept that if I'd stopped any further forward, no
vehicle would have been able to pass the front of my car and the whole
place would have simply locked solid and that I'd chosen the better of
two options.

Best to call their bluff, get back in and say where do you want me to
park? When it all clogs up take the time to expalin to the drivers
that are obstructed that you had left room but where told to park how
you are by the site operative. Of course all this friendly chat with
other drivers means your not unloading...

Also compalin about the layout to the council and site operator
(probably a private company). Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

My local tip has bays marked at 45 degrees to the way you come in, so you
drive past a space and reverse into it. One day I was there and a guy in a
big 4x4 drove in sideways, across about 4 parking spaces, instead of
reversing into one of the bays. I was watching him carefully because he
nearly drove into the side of my car. The staff just stood there and did
nothing - not even a discrete word in his ear "would you like to park
properly in one of the bays so other people can park next to you". But
when someone else reversed into a bay next him, and had to straddle one of
the lines slightly in order to avoid his rear end, the staff gave *him* a
bollocking for not parking properly. Talk about double standards...

That's because the big 4x4 was Phil the greek dumping Liz's xmas packing
stuff.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 05:24:11 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:



There's a reason that that¢s the best job he can manage.

You HAD to **** also in this thread, eh, you senile pest?

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"NY" wrote in message
o.uk...
"Steve Walker" wrote in message
...
Frequently the layout of places misses
basic common sense facts, like not everyone can reverse a trailer
into a parking bay.

I can reverse it fortunately, but that becomes impossible if the load is
low and I can't then see it at all unless its already turned far out of
line. I will get around to welding at least one and possibly two tubes on
at some point, specifically to hold corner marker poles.

I've seen people come in towing trailers, unhitch the trailer and trundle
it into the space resting on the jockey wheel, then park the car next to
it. Seems a fairly sensible way of getting round the fact that they can't
reverse the trailer, especially when there isn't room to swing the car out
to get the trailer pointing correctly into the bay. I have the greatest
sympathy, because I cannot reverse anything articulated to save my life: I
can't even reverse in a straight line without the trailer starting
inexorably to swing one way or the other without being able to correct it,
never mind being able to do anything fancy like pointing the
trailer/caravan at an angle to the direction I was driving in to fit
through a gateway or into a parking bay. I'd definitely be one of the naff
"unhitch and manoeuvre by hand" brigade :-)

I saw one tip that was very sensibly laid out: as you approached, the road
divided into lots of parallel sections, each with a skip next to it and
each with its own exit back to the common exit road. That meant that no
reversing was needed, and no car's reversing impeded the exit of any other
car, apart from the merging into a single exit lane which was consistently
marked out so every lane gave way to the one on its right, like roundabout
rules. And the ramps where the cars parked were raised off the ground so
the lip of the skip was only slightly above "ground" level - you let the
car drive up to the correct height rather than having to walk up steps
beside each skip to get to the height to throw things into the skip.

The worst was Malton tip where there was no way for the lorries to remove
the skips while cars were driving in and out, so every time a skip was
full and a lorry arrived to take it away, they had to close the tip and
clear all the cars out while the lorry reversed up, picked up the skip,
stopped for a cup of tea and a chat with his mates (*) and then drove out.
Meanwhile a long queue of cars had to wait on the entry road until the tip
re-opened, queuing on a minor road and then round the corner onto a more
major road, which blocked access of all through traffic, and also all
traffic wanting to get to the rest of the industrial estate.

Fark. Ours is much cruder than that. Its an immense old quarry where you
drive up over an immense hill of old rubbish, back the trailer to the edge
of the top of the hill and chuck the stuff out onto the ground. Every few
days a ****ing great D9 shoves the accumulated rubbish over the edge
into the immense hole. that was once the quarry.

(*) I'm not joking: I did once see a driver stop for a natter with his
mates after he'd finished picking up the skip.

On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 06:02:15 +1000, Jac Brown, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:


Problem is that

The only problem here is that you are trolling piece of senile ****, senile
Rot!

--
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"I was involved in the design of a computer OS"
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 06:26:03 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


Fark. Ours is much

"Ours"? Australian? Then **** off, senile idiot!

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"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 06:19:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That's because the big 4x4 was Phil the greek dumping Liz's xmas packing
stuff.

Even THAT asshole couldn't have been as big an asshole as you are, senile
Rot!

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"Auto-contradictor Rod is back! (in the KF)"
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On 12/04/2019 11:40, NY wrote:

The worst was Malton tip where there was no way for the lorries to
remove the skips while cars were driving in and out, so every time a
skip was full and a lorry arrived to take it away, they had to close the
tip and clear all the cars out while the lorry reversed up, picked up
the skip, stopped for a cup of tea and a chat with his mates (*) and
then drove out. Meanwhile a long queue of cars had to wait on the entry
road until the tip re-opened, queuing on a minor road and then round the
corner onto a more major road, which blocked access of all through
traffic, and also all traffic wanting to get to the rest of the
industrial estate.

Many tips restrict access when the large skips are being removed/changed
even where there is sufficient space to maneuver the lorry - probably
for legitimate safety reasons. Failure of the lifting equipment may be
rare but can happen.


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alan_m wrote:

Many tips restrict access when the large skips are being removed/changed

They re-designed the local tip a couple of years ago, two separate yards
one for trade waste, the other for domestic, the domestic one has a ramp
you drive up so you're above the rows of skips on three sides of a large
square ... works well, except it's now got shorter hours per day and
isn't open 7 days a week.