Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Massively fitter from cycling all the time in such a mountainous country.

On 27/03/2019 18:03, mm0fmf wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Massively fitter from cycling all the time in such a mountainous country.

like me in Scotland....tee hee

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On 27/03/2019 19:30, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 27/03/2019 18:03, mm0fmf wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Massively fitter from cycling all the time in such a mountainous country.

like me in Scotland....tee hee

....if the wummin drivers don't get me first

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"DerbyBorn" wrote in message
2.236...
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?

Yep, its flat as a tack there.

Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Just come back from Flanders where much the same applies. One of the
reasons they all look so relaxed is that drivers are not trying to kill
them all the time. It helps that road layouts are arranged to give them
space and priority. As one of our cab drivers put it, "we all cycle
ourselves".

On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less
competition and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in
itself. The roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no need
to push through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to cyclists, so
don't behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.

On 27/03/2019 21:34, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less
competition and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in
itself. The roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no need
to push through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to cyclists, so
don't behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.
tell that to the wummin that reversed out her drive in front of me
tonight ....

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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 27/03/2019 21:34, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less competition
and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in itself. The
roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no need to push
through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to cyclists, so don't
behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.
tell that to the wummin that reversed out her drive in front of me tonight
....

She's got a thing about hairy legged cross dressing haggis gorging
foreigners.

On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 07:04:53 +1100, Jac Brown, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?

Yep, its flat as a tack there.

You been in Holland, senile Ozzie asshole? You talked to the cyclists there?
You know how things are arranged for cyclists and drivers in that country?
Obviously NOT! So shut your stupid senile Ozzie gob!

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On Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:03:39 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

tell that to the wummin that reversed out her drive in front of me tonight
....

She's got a thing about hairy legged cross dressing haggis gorging
foreigners.

Spare everyone your senile "humour", senile cretin!

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"You can **** off as you know less than pig **** you sad
little ignorant ****."
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newshound wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Just come back from Flanders where much the same applies. One of the
reasons they all look so relaxed is that drivers are not trying to kill
them all the time. It helps that road layouts are arranged to give them
space and priority. As one of our cab drivers put it, "we all cycle
ourselves".


It helps that a lot of the cycling is done by people as part of their daily
life and not as a competitive hobby
or object of exercise where a good proportion of those taking part are
using the public highway as a convenient Gym to the annoyance of other
users while maintaining a high degree of self importance and insisting they
have an absolute right to be given the opportunity to do so.

Simon Mason before he went loopy was a good example of such a PIA who put
peoples backs up.


GH

Ha ha.
I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.
Brian

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On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Massively fitter from cycling all the time in such a mountainous country.

On 27/03/2019 21:58, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 27/03/2019 21:34, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less
competition and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in
itself. The roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no
need to push through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to
cyclists, so don't behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.
tell that to the wummin that reversed out her drive in front of me
tonight ....


Jim, you are always whining about women drivers. It is far more likely
you are the problem.



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On 27/03/2019 22:56, Marland wrote:
newshound wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?


Just come back from Flanders where much the same applies. One of the
reasons they all look so relaxed is that drivers are not trying to kill
them all the time. It helps that road layouts are arranged to give them
space and priority. As one of our cab drivers put it, "we all cycle
ourselves".


It helps that a lot of the cycling is done by people as part of their daily
life and not as a competitive hobby
or object of exercise where a good proportion of those taking part are
using the public highway as a convenient Gym to the annoyance of other
users while maintaining a high degree of self importance and insisting they
have an absolute right to be given the opportunity to do so.

+1


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On Wed, 27 Mar 2019 21:34:13 +0000, Chris Bartram
wrote:

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less
competition and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in
itself. The roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no need
to push through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to cyclists, so
don't behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.

Wot e said, and much (not all) applies to Treznal as well. It's not all cylists,
either, sometimes it's just someone's granny riding along at a gentle
six-to-eight miles an hour. Hard to see them as The Enemy.

Thomas Prufer

On 28/03/2019 09:41, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ha ha.
I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.

Nether doesn't mean flat.

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message
...
On 27/03/2019 21:34, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in
a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less
competition and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in
itself. The roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no need
to push through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to cyclists, so
don't behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.
tell that to the wummin that reversed out her drive in front of me
tonight ....

She's got a thing about hairy legged cross dressing haggis gorging
foreigners.
no...just trying to kill them like most wummin drivers.......

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
On 27/03/2019 21:58, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
On 27/03/2019 21:34, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 27/03/2019 17:45, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in
a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

Everyone cycles, not just the lycra warriors, so there's less
competition and aggression. Cycling is for utility, not as an end in
itself. The roads are laid out to make cycling easy, so there's no need
to push through traffic. Car drivers are more accustomed to cyclists, so
don't behave like arseholes near them. The land is flat.
tell that to the wummin that reversed out her drive in front of me
tonight ....


Jim, you are always whining about women drivers. It is far more likely you
are the problem.


wummin drivers are the problem ....and the apologists for them ....like you
......are also the problem .......you probably drive like a wummin .......

"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 28/03/2019 09:41, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ha ha.
I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.

Nether doesn't mean flat.

It does actually.

Specifically the phrase €œHigh Dutch€� referred to people from
the mountainous area of what is now southern Germany.
€œLow Dutch€� referred to people from the flatlands in what
is now the Netherlands. Within the Holy Roman Empire,
the word €œNetherlands€� was used to describe people
from the low-lying (nether) region (land).

https://www.dictionary.com/e/demonym/

In article ,
Rod Speed wrote:


"Max Demian" wrote in message
o.uk...
On 28/03/2019 09:41, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ha ha.
I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.

Nether doesn't mean flat.

It does actually.

Specifically the phrase ”High Dutch• referred to people from
the mountainous area of what is now southern Germany.
”Low Dutch• referred to people from the flatlands in what
is now the Netherlands. Within the Holy Roman Empire,
the word ”Netherlands• was used to describe people
from the low-lying (nether) region (land).

What were known in Britain as "The Low Countries".

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2019 04:23:14 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.

Nether doesn't mean flat.

It does actually.

It doesn't mean "flat" AT ALL, senile idiot!

Specifically the phrase ´High Dutch¡ referred to people from
the mountainous area of what is now southern Germany.
´Low Dutch¡ referred to people from the flatlands in what
is now the Netherlands. Within the Holy Roman Empire,
the word ´Netherlands¡ was used to describe people
from the low-lying (nether) region (land).

https://www.dictionary.com/e/demonym/

Obviously even your article says it means "low-lying" and NOT "flat", you
senile idiot!

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On Wednesday, 27 March 2019 17:45:36 UTC, DerbyBorn wrote:
Whenver I see (on TV) Dutch people cycling it always seems they are in a
fairly high gear and it looks fairly effortless. The "sit up band beg"
rising position seems at odds with ours.
Is their bike geometry different to ours?
Have they merely realised that hard tires roll more easily.
Are they fitter?

I too can cycle in a fairly high gear and it appear (relatively) effortless.

More than half of adult bikes sold in the Netherlands are now ebikes. As is mine.

On 28/03/2019 09:41, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ha ha.
I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.
Brian

I'm sure you know sarcasm when you read it Brian.

On 2019-03-29 1:06 p.m., mm0fmf wrote:
On 28/03/2019 09:41, Brian Gaff wrote:
Ha ha.
Â* I'm sure you know what Netherlands means.
Â* Brian

I'm sure you know sarcasm when you read it Brian.


i'm sure everybody knows everybody