https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 08:33:04 UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

how absurd

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Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

how absurd


How October 2017...
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Now where did I put that heat pump.
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Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

how absurd


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harry wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

how absurd

And ban new houses being connected to mains gas before 2025

https://www.theccc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/UK-housing-Fit-for-the-future-CCC-2019.pdf

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harry wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

how absurd

And ban new houses being connected to mains gas before 2025

https://www.theccc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/UK-housing-Fit-for-the-future-CCC-2019.pdf

So new houses will have to be heated by electricity (storage heaters or heat
pumps) or else by oil. Until oil runs out. Then you really*will* be making
people put all their eggs in one basket, given that there are more and more
restrictions on wood and coal stoves as main or backup heating.

And you have to "sell" the idea that it will be more expensive to install,
and maybe to run, and (according to the article) will take longer to heat up
a room - presumably because it is lower power. That's a hell of an
advertising and PR campaign that you are going to need :-)

We are looking to move house and we went to look at a house the other week
that had been extensively modified by the builder who lived there. It had
some sort of underfloor heating that needed an air vent in the ceiling of
each room. My wife and I were very conscious of a continuous and intensely
irritating whine throughout the house from the air vents. Is that going to
be the future of central heating?

Having a house that is connected to a gas main is seen as a big selling
point for a house because it is cheaper to use gas than oil, and storage
heaters or bottled gas are even more expensive.

Ironic that 40 years ago "North Sea Gas" was touted as a universal saviour.

On 21/02/2019 14:28, NY wrote:
"Andy Burns" wrote in message
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harry wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html


how absurd

And ban new houses being connected to mains gas before 2025

https://www.theccc.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/UK-housing-Fit-for-the-future-CCC-2019.pdf


So new houses will have to be heated by electricity (storage heaters or
heat pumps) or else by oil.

Oil already banned.

Heatpumps untril te wind stops blowing then freeze to death.


Until oil runs out. Then you really*will* be
making people put all their eggs in one basket, given that there are
more and more restrictions on wood and coal stoves as main or backup
heating.

And you have to "sell" the idea that it will be more expensive to
install, and maybe to run, and (according to the article) will take
longer to heat up a room - presumably because it is lower power. That's
a hell of an advertising and PR campaign that you are going to need :-)

We are looking to move house and we went to look at a house the other
week that had been extensively modified by the builder who lived there.
It had some sort of underfloor heating that needed an air vent in the
ceiling of each room. My wife and I were very conscious of a continuous
and intensely irritating whine throughout the house from the air vents.
Is that going to be the future of central heating?

Having a house that is connected to a gas main is seen as a big selling
point for a house because it is cheaper to use gas than oil, and storage
heaters or bottled gas are even more expensive.

Ironic that 40 years ago "North Sea Gas" was touted as a universal saviour.


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On 21/02/2019 14:28, NY wrote:

And you have to "sell" the idea that it will be more expensive to
install, and maybe to run, and (according to the article) will take
longer to heat up a room - presumably because it is lower power. That's
a hell of an advertising and PR campaign that you are going to need :-)

Something like..

"It's not lower powered, it's more efficient."



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On 21/02/2019 14:28, NY wrote:

And you have to "sell" the idea that it will be more expensive to
install, and maybe to run, and (according to the article) will take
longer to heat up a room - presumably because it is lower power. That's a
hell of an advertising and PR campaign that you are going to need :-)

Something like..

"It's not lower powered, it's more efficient."

That's almost as bad as the low-powered vacuum cleaners which don't produce
enough suction so you have to keep going over the same bit of carpet, or
lower-powered kettles which take longer to heat the water... but the
legislators can't see further than "it uses less power".

The kettle thing is particularly short-sighted because it takes a fixed
amount of energy to heat a fixed amount of water: it is irrelevant whether
it's 3 kW for 2 minutes or 1.5 kW for 4 minutes - the amount of energy used
is the same.

No neither have I but the thing is this, if they are not going to let people
get onto gas, they will do just what you see in other countries. Use
cylinders of gas instead.

In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.
It will need a love affair with nuclear, and better power storage systems
to allow renewable to work well when there is a peak demand. All electrical
heating is second hand ie inefficient energy, we can only use it if we can
make making it far more efficient. There has been no real development of
electrical heating since the very early days of electricity. Itt still is
put current through a resistor and the device gives off heat. Its not
terribly efficient. I do not see the LED Equivelent of lights for heat
anywhere, after all.

I think its a bit soon to say we shall not use gas. As I say I took the
choice not to have gas, but I do not have any central heating installed
other than storage heaters, but they do have drawbacks of time issues. IE
they use cheaper electricity, but try to store the heat, but are not that
efficient, and often when it gets cold its when the heat store is getting
depleted before the next cheap rate time so one gets either an override
which is not really a good way to do it, or use those oil filled heaters,
which are better to take up the slack in the evenings.



No when I heard this last night I almost laughed myself silly.

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead of
coal at the moment. Where do these come from. Are we destroying Canadian and
Norwegian forests to make electricity?
Brian

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Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:42:08 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.

It's a lot easier and cheaper for the gas transporters to sell bulk gas to a power station than to have to pipe up lots of new housing estates and have retail sales involved in the supply chain.

The electricity retailers will be happy as they'll be able to pass on the generation costs through smart meters.

We'll pick up the bill as usual.

Owain

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 11:24:38 UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:42:08 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.

It's a lot easier and cheaper for the gas transporters to sell bulk gas to a power station than to have to pipe up lots of new housing estates and have retail sales involved in the supply chain.

The electricity retailers will be happy as they'll be able to pass on the generation costs through smart meters.

We'll pick up the bill as usual.

Owain

Using gas to generate electricity is far more efficient than caol or oil,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combin...le_power_plant

On 21/02/2019 16:09, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 11:24:38 UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:42:08 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.

It's a lot easier and cheaper for the gas transporters to sell bulk gas to a power station than to have to pipe up lots of new housing estates and have retail sales involved in the supply chain.

The electricity retailers will be happy as they'll be able to pass on the generation costs through smart meters.

We'll pick up the bill as usual.

Owain

Using gas to generate electricity is far more efficient than caol or oil,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combin...le_power_plant

62% if you are lucky. A condensing boiler is more like 90% (If heat is
what you want and you are comparing it with a resistive electric heater).

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On 21/02/2019 17:40, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/02/2019 16:09, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 11:24:38 UTC,
wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:42:08 UTC, Brian GaffÂ* wrote:
In theory, there is no real reasonÂ* for theÂ* ban, as for the
foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.

It's a lot easier and cheaper for the gas transporters to sell bulk
gas to a power station than to have to pipe up lots of new housing
estates and have retail sales involved in the supply chain.

The electricity retailers will be happy as they'll be able to pass on
the generation costs through smart meters.

We'll pick up the bill as usual.

Owain

Using gas to generate electricity is far more efficient than caol or oil,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combin...le_power_plant

62% if you are lucky. A condensing boiler is more like 90% (If heat is
what you want and you are comparing it with a resistive electric heater).


Is it really 90% or is that based on the same thing as Volkswagen figures?

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On Thursday, 21 February 2019 17:40:48 UTC, Max Demian wrote:
On 21/02/2019 16:09, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 11:24:38 UTC, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:42:08 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.

It's a lot easier and cheaper for the gas transporters to sell bulk gas to a power station than to have to pipe up lots of new housing estates and have retail sales involved in the supply chain.

The electricity retailers will be happy as they'll be able to pass on the generation costs through smart meters.

We'll pick up the bill as usual.

Owain

Using gas to generate electricity is far more efficient than caol or oil,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combin...le_power_plant

62% if you are lucky. A condensing boiler is more like 90% (If heat is
what you want and you are comparing it with a resistive electric heater).



Gas is far less efficient if compared with a heat pump.
Which is the alternative technology being proposed.

It happens that Brian Gaff formulated :
All electrical heating is second hand ie inefficient energy, we can only use
it if we can make making it far more efficient. There has been no real
development of electrical heating since the very early days of electricity.
Itt still is put current through a resistor and the device gives off heat.
Its not terribly efficient. I do not see the LED Equivelent of lights for
heat anywhere, after all.

Nor can there be, they are already 100% efficient - 1Kw in = 1Kw of
heat out, ignoring transmission losses.

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

There has been no real development of electrical heating since the
very early days of electricity.
Nor can there be, they are already 100% efficient - 1Kw in = 1Kw of heat
out, ignoring transmission losses.

Heat pumps can give up to 4kW of heat out for 1kW of electricity in.

On 21/02/2019 14:11, Andy Burns wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

There has been no real development of electrical heating* since the
very early days of electricity.
Nor can there be, they are already 100% efficient - 1Kw in = 1Kw of
heat out, ignoring transmission losses.

Heat pumps can give up to 4kW of heat out for 1kW of electricity in.


But cost in excess of £10k to install ...

We looked at installing an air source heatpump, would have cost £13k to
upgrade our existing wet system. With a breakeven time of 12 years
compared to an electric boiler fitted to the same existing wet system, I
figured the replacement cost of the electric boiler (£1k) versa the
replacement cost of the air source heat pumps (80C system) (£7k) over
the 12 year period the electric boiler was a no brainer. So far the
running cost of the electric boiler has exceeded my expectations
(cheaper to run). It has infact worked out cheaper to run than our old
solid fuel (anthracite) boiler over this winter so far ...

On 21/02/2019 15:51, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 21/02/2019 14:11, Andy Burns wrote:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Brian Gaff wrote:

There has been no real development of electrical heating* since the
very early days of electricity.
Nor can there be, they are already 100% efficient - 1Kw in = 1Kw of
heat out, ignoring transmission losses.

Heat pumps can give up to 4kW of heat out for 1kW of electricity in.


But cost in excess of £10k to install ...

We looked at installing an air source heatpump, would have cost £13k to
upgrade our existing wet system.

Is that 13k the DIY cost?



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Andy Burns explained :
Heat pumps can give up to 4kW of heat out for 1kW of electricity in.

So for most people, the running cost is a touch more than it would cost
for the same from a gas boiler..

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 10:42:08 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
No neither have I but the thing is this, if they are not going to let people
get onto gas, they will do just what you see in other countries. Use
cylinders of gas instead.

In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.
It will need a love affair with nuclear, and better power storage systems
to allow renewable to work well when there is a peak demand. All electrical
heating is second hand ie inefficient energy, we can only use it if we can
make making it far more efficient. There has been no real development of
electrical heating since the very early days of electricity. Itt still is
put current through a resistor and the device gives off heat. Its not
terribly efficient. I do not see the LED Equivelent of lights for heat
anywhere, after all.

I think its a bit soon to say we shall not use gas. As I say I took the
choice not to have gas, but I do not have any central heating installed
other than storage heaters, but they do have drawbacks of time issues. IE
they use cheaper electricity, but try to store the heat, but are not that
efficient, and often when it gets cold its when the heat store is getting
depleted before the next cheap rate time so one gets either an override
which is not really a good way to do it, or use those oil filled heaters,
which are better to take up the slack in the evenings.



No when I heard this last night I almost laughed myself silly.

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead of
coal at the moment. Where do these come from. Are we destroying Canadian and
Norwegian forests to make electricity?


It will be heat pumps.
Many new houses have them already

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
No neither have I but the thing is this, if they are not going to let
people get onto gas, they will do just what you see in other countries.
Use cylinders of gas instead.

In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the foreseeable
future they have to use Gas to generate power.
It will need a love affair with nuclear, and better power storage systems
to allow renewable to work well when there is a peak demand. All
electrical heating is second hand ie inefficient energy, we can only use
it if we can make making it far more efficient. There has been no real
development of electrical heating since the very early days of
electricity. Itt still is put current through a resistor and the device
gives off heat. Its not terribly efficient. I do not see the LED
Equivelent of lights for heat anywhere, after all.

I think its a bit soon to say we shall not use gas. As I say I took the
choice not to have gas, but I do not have any central heating installed
other than storage heaters, but they do have drawbacks of time issues. IE
they use cheaper electricity, but try to store the heat, but are not that
efficient, and often when it gets cold its when the heat store is getting
depleted before the next cheap rate time so one gets either an override
which is not really a good way to do it, or use those oil filled heaters,
which are better to take up the slack in the evenings.



No when I heard this last night I almost laughed myself silly.

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead of
coal at the moment.

**** all do.

Where do these come from.

Mostly canada.

Are we destroying Canadian and Norwegian forests to make electricity?

In theory they are just another renewable energy source.

Completely stupid approach to power generation tho.

"harry" wrote in message
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
No neither have I but the thing is this, if they are not going to let
people get onto gas, they will do just what you see in other countries.
Use cylinders of gas instead.

In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the
foreseeable future they have to use Gas to generate power. It will
need a love affair with nuclear, and better power storage systems to
allow renewable to work well when there is a peak demand. All
electrical heating is second hand ie inefficient energy, we can only
use it if we can make making it far more efficient. There has been no
real development of electrical heating since the very early days of
electricity. Itt still is put current through a resistor and the
device gives off heat. Its not terribly efficient. I do not see the
LED Equivelent of lights for heat anywhere, after all.

I think its a bit soon to say we shall not use gas. As I say I took the
choice not to have gas, but I do not have any central heating
installed other than storage heaters, but they do have drawbacks of
time issues. IE they use cheaper electricity, but try to store the
heat, but are not that efficient, and often when it gets cold its when
the heat store is getting depleted before the next cheap rate time so
one gets either an override which is not really a good way to do it,
or use those oil filled heaters, which are better to take up the slack
in the evenings.



No when I heard this last night I almost laughed myself silly.

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead
of coal at the moment.

**** all do.

The biggest one inthen UK does.



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"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:


"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
...
No neither have I but the thing is this, if they are not going to let
people get onto gas, they will do just what you see in other countries.
Use cylinders of gas instead.

In theory, there is no real reason for the ban, as for the
foreseeable future they have to use Gas to generate power. It will
need a love affair with nuclear, and better power storage systems to
allow renewable to work well when there is a peak demand. All
electrical heating is second hand ie inefficient energy, we can only
use it if we can make making it far more efficient. There has been no
real development of electrical heating since the very early days of
electricity. Itt still is put current through a resistor and the
device gives off heat. Its not terribly efficient. I do not see the
LED Equivelent of lights for heat anywhere, after all.

I think its a bit soon to say we shall not use gas. As I say I took the
choice not to have gas, but I do not have any central heating
installed other than storage heaters, but they do have drawbacks of
time issues. IE they use cheaper electricity, but try to store the
heat, but are not that efficient, and often when it gets cold its when
the heat store is getting depleted before the next cheap rate time so
one gets either an override which is not really a good way to do it,
or use those oil filled heaters, which are better to take up the slack
in the evenings.



No when I heard this last night I almost laughed myself silly.

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead
of coal at the moment.

**** all do.

The biggest one inthen UK does.

Still **** all of the total power generators in the UK and europe.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 05:22:16 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

The biggest one inthen UK does.

Still **** all of the total power generators in the UK and europe.

Senile Ozzie troll knows it ALL better, AGAIN ...and AGAIN ...and AGAIN! LOL

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charles brought next idea :
The biggest one inthen UK does.

It does and it is just a 20 minute drive from here.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 04:44:13 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead of
coal at the moment.

**** all do.

Where do these come from.

Mostly canada.

Are we destroying Canadian and Norwegian forests to make electricity?

In theory they are just another renewable energy source.

Completely stupid approach to power generation tho.

Senile Ozzietard has ALL the answers to ALL the questions ...ALWAYS! LMAO

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On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:44:28 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead of
coal at the moment.

**** all do.

The trains carrying these wood chips to Drax from Immingham go past our back window every day.

https://www.drax.com/technology/5-in...-biomass-port/

wrote in message
...
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:44:28 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead
of
coal at the moment.

**** all do.

The trains carrying these wood chips to Drax from Immingham go past our
back window every day.

Still **** all of the power generators in the UK or europe.

https://www.drax.com/technology/5-in...-biomass-port/

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 7:49:58 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
wrote in message
...
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:44:28 PM UTC, Rod Speed wrote:

Many power stations seem to be using something like wood chips instead
of
coal at the moment.

**** all do.

The trains carrying these wood chips to Drax from Immingham go past our
back window every day.

Still **** all of the power generators in the UK or europe.

6% last year. Coal is zero most days now.

https://renewablesnow.com/news/uk-wi...sept-9-626083/

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 06:49:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:


The trains carrying these wood chips to Drax from Immingham go past our
back window every day.

Still **** all of the power generators in the UK or europe.

Stop pestering normal humans with your senility, senile Rot!

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we shippe the likes of you out of the British Isles. Perhaps stupidity
and criminality is inherited after all?"
Message-ID:

Brian Gaff Wrote

There has been no real development of electrical
heating since the very early days of electricity.

That's just plain wrong, most obviously with heat pumps.

Itt still is put current through a resistor and the
device gives off heat. Its not terribly efficient.

That approach is in fact much more
efficient than any other way of heating.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 04:32:04 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again:

There has been no real development of electrical
heating since the very early days of electricity.

That's just plain wrong, most obviously with heat pumps.

Itt still is put current through a resistor and the
device gives off heat. Its not terribly efficient.

That approach is in fact much more
efficient than any other way of heating.

In auto-contradicting mode again, you subnormal senile idiot?

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"This is like having a conversation with someone with brain damage."
MID:

Ed Davey MP told our 2018 Green Libdem conference:
"In government we were experimenting with electrified heating, heat pumps, experimenting with biomass, and district heating. But at relatively low volumes. There's a reason for that. That is that there's a real challenge if you use those technologies to replace methane gas, it looks like it will be very expensive, take a long time, and have a lot of political reaction. Most people are used to their gas boilers and central heating systems, nice and simple with north sea gas. To rip out all that? I call that politically brave. We haven't quite worked out how to do that.

Instead there's a lot around Hydrogen (which really wasn't happening when I was Secretary of State).

Whether or not hydrogen or some other form of hydrogen mix or a biofuel could be used as a replacement for fossil fuel gas. We're a long way off from knowing if that is going to happen, so don't rush off say Ed says hydrogen's the way of the future. it may be, it may not, we don't know.

What we should be doing is very large scale pilots of all these different low carbon, zero carbon heating options. All these heating options. We've got to get cracking on this, the government's being far too slow.

We could crack up the pace in our time, but we weren't able to fix that as well as all the other stuff we were doing.

So, to conclude: we did a load domestically on power, (particularity offshore wind), we did a load internationally. "

https://greenlibdems.org.uk/en/artic...R37M_qs-h8X9wk

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 8:33:04 AM UTC, harry wrote:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

On Thursday, 21 February 2019 22:03:33 UTC, George Miles wrote:
Ed Davey MP told our 2018 Green Libdem conference:
"In government we were experimenting with electrified heating, heat pumps, experimenting with biomass, and district heating. But at relatively low volumes. There's a reason for that. That is that there's a real challenge if you use those technologies to replace methane gas, it looks like it will be very expensive, take a long time, and have a lot of political reaction. Most people are used to their gas boilers and central heating systems, nice and simple with north sea gas. To rip out all that? I call that politically brave. We haven't quite worked out how to do that.

Instead there's a lot around Hydrogen (which really wasn't happening when I was Secretary of State).

Whether or not hydrogen or some other form of hydrogen mix or a biofuel could be used as a replacement for fossil fuel gas. We're a long way off from knowing if that is going to happen, so don't rush off say Ed says hydrogen's the way of the future. it may be, it may not, we don't know.


Hydrogen is total bollix.
Expensive, inefficient and dangerous.
It will never happen.

On 22/02/2019 06:18, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 22:03:33 UTC, George Miles wrote:
Ed Davey MP told our 2018 Green Libdem conference:
"In government we were experimenting with electrified heating, heat pumps, experimenting with biomass, and district heating. But at relatively low volumes. There's a reason for that. That is that there's a real challenge if you use those technologies to replace methane gas, it looks like it will be very expensive, take a long time, and have a lot of political reaction. Most people are used to their gas boilers and central heating systems, nice and simple with north sea gas. To rip out all that? I call that politically brave. We haven't quite worked out how to do that.

Instead there's a lot around Hydrogen (which really wasn't happening when I was Secretary of State).

Whether or not hydrogen or some other form of hydrogen mix or a biofuel could be used as a replacement for fossil fuel gas. We're a long way off from knowing if that is going to happen, so don't rush off say Ed says hydrogen's the way of the future. it may be, it may not, we don't know.


Hydrogen is total bollix.
Expensive, inefficient and dangerous.
It will never happen.

Just shove it through the existing pipes. Convert everyone like from
coal to natural gas. Coal gas contained a lot of hydrogen anyway.

--
Max Demian

On 22/02/2019 11:06, Max Demian wrote:
On 22/02/2019 06:18, harry wrote:
On Thursday, 21 February 2019 22:03:33 UTC, George MilesÂ* wrote:
Ed Davey MP told our 2018 Green Libdem conference:
"In government we were experimenting with electrified heating, heat
pumps, experimenting with biomass, and district heating. But at
relatively low volumes. There's a reason for that. That is that
there's a real challenge if you use those technologies to replace
methane gas, it looks like it will be very expensive, take a long
time, and have a lot of political reaction. Most people are used to
their gas boilers and central heating systems, nice and simple with
north sea gas. To rip out all that? I call that politically brave. We
haven't quite worked out how to do that.

Instead there's a lot around Hydrogen (which really wasn't happening
when I was Secretary of State).

Whether or not hydrogen or some other form of hydrogen mix or a
biofuel could be used as a replacement for fossil fuel gas. We're a
long way off from knowing if that is going to happen, so don't rush
off say Ed says hydrogen's the way of the future. it may be, it may
not, we don't know.


Hydrogen is total bollix.
Expensive, inefficient and dangerous.
It will never happen.

Just shove it through the existing pipes.

It will leak out. Its would be massively unsafe. Its a very small
slippery moolecule.

Convert everyone like from
coal to natural gas. Coal gas contained a lot of hydrogen anyway.

And wasnt very safe either.


--
"The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll
look exactly the same afterwards."

Billy Connolly

On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 00:33:02 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

Should being the operative word.

More lies by a racist Brexit traitor.

If you feel strongly about it, onstead of posting brain dead Mail
fiction, why not contact an MEP such as Farage who is well known for
speaking up on UK citizens interests.

AB

"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp" wrote in
message ...
On Thu, 21 Feb 2019 00:33:02 -0800 (PST), harry
wrote:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...en-target.html

Well they are poisoning the users I suppose.
Once again Lam a trendsetter. No gas in our house!

Should being the operative word.

More lies by a racist Brexit traitor.

If you feel strongly about it, onstead of posting brain dead Mail
fiction, why not contact an MEP such as Farage who is well known for
speaking up on UK citizens interests.

Because there is nothing an MEP can do about it.
Specially one that only has 5 weeks as an MEP to go.

On Fri, 22 Feb 2019 19:19:58 +1100, 2987fr, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rot Speed, wrote:

If you feel strongly about it, onstead of posting brain dead Mail
fiction, why not contact an MEP such as Farage who is well known for
speaking up on UK citizens interests.

Because there is nothing an MEP can do about it.
Specially one that only has 5 weeks as an MEP to go.

Just what does it take to make you shut your senile big gob, you senile
Ozzie cretin? A baseball bat across it? tsk

--
Richard addressing Rot Speed:
"**** you're thick/pathetic excuse for a troll."
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