I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have more than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut your energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb B, both).


NT

RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday

Can you describe what you presently have in the garage in terms of
light(s), switch(es), consumer unit?

Then what you're looking to alter/replace?

On 12/12/2018 12:37, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have more than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut your energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb B, both).


NT


I only have 1 light, and just want to mount a switch by the garage
door.If I got a 2 gang switch, how do I wire it up.

I presently have a 2way switch which doesn't work because I probably
wired it up wrong.
There is a 1 way and a 2 way socket for the wires and a com. I wired it
up with the lives in the 1 way and the neutrals into the com.

On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:44:42 UTC, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 12:37, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have more than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut your energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb B, both).


NT


I only have 1 light, and just want to mount a switch by the garage
door.

then what you're looking to do is not 2 way switching, which means switching from either of 2 different places, as used on stairs.

If I got a 2 gang switch, how do I wire it up.

a 2 gang switch is not much use on a single light. The point of them is to enable lights to be switched separately. There is a way to use them on one light, but that's more complexity you don't need today.

I presently have a 2way switch which doesn't work because I probably
wired it up wrong.
There is a 1 way and a 2 way socket for the wires and a com. I wired it
up with the lives in the 1 way and the neutrals into the com.

Ouch. Live goes to com, 1 or 2 goes to the light's switched live wire. The neutral doesn't go into the switch at all, it is just fed to the light's neutral connection.

How many cables come into the switchbox? If only one, then normally the neutral conductor on the cable is repurposed as a switched live. If more than 1 cable then it's going to be as you describe, no repurposing of conductors. A photo wouldn't hurt.


NT

On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 13:00:25 UTC, tabby wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:44:42 UTC, RobH wrote:

I only have 1 light, and just want to mount a switch by the garage
door.

then what you're looking to do is not 2 way switching, which means switching from either of 2 different places, as used on stairs.

If I got a 2 gang switch, how do I wire it up.

a 2 gang switch is not much use on a single light. The point of them is to enable lights to be switched separately. There is a way to use them on one light, but that's more complexity you don't need today.

I presently have a 2way switch which doesn't work because I probably
wired it up wrong.
There is a 1 way and a 2 way socket for the wires and a com. I wired it
up with the lives in the 1 way and the neutrals into the com.

Ouch. Live goes to com, 1 or 2 goes to the light's switched live wire. The neutral doesn't go into the switch at all, it is just fed to the light's neutral connection.

How many cables come into the switchbox? If only one, then normally the neutral conductor on the cable is repurposed as a switched live. If more than 1 cable then it's going to be as you describe, no repurposing of conductors. A photo wouldn't hurt.


NT

http://wiki.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/...nners#Lighting


NT

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

Your original post is still there have you gone down far enough? Several replies have asked you for specific information in order to give you the correct answer. It is important that you provide the information, as a self confessed amateur when it comes to electrics it vital from the safety point of view you are correctly guided a mistake could be fatal.

Richard

On 12/12/2018 12:44, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 12:37, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobHÂ* wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which
most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have
more than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut
your energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb
B, both).


NT


I only have 1 light, and just want to mount a switch by the garage
door.If I got a 2 gang switch, how do I wire it up.

I presently have a 2way switch which doesn't work because I probably
wired it up wrong.
There isÂ* a 1 way and a 2 way socket for the wires and a com. I wired it
up with the lives in the 1 way and the neutrals into the com.

This may not be helpful, but it may save a life: some things need a
basic level of expertise to do safely and it sounds as if you need to
either pay someone or find a knowledgeable and trustworthy pal.

On 12/12/2018 13:16, Tricky Dicky wrote:
I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

Your original post is still there have you gone down far enough? Several replies have asked you for specific information in order to give you the correct answer. It is important that you provide the information, as a self confessed amateur when it comes to electrics it vital from the safety point of view you are correctly guided a mistake could be fatal.

Richard

Yes I realise it will be still there, but the news group I use is
NETNews from either Germany or somewhere in the Netherlands. I can't
remember just now. From this group there are quite a few post missing
from yesterday, That is why I can't see it.

On 12/12/2018 12:41, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday

Can you describe what you presently have in the garage in terms of
light(s), switch(es), consumer unit?

Then what you're looking to alter/replace?

We have only just got electric in the garage, a few days back actually,
and I have put up a 4ft batten led light,. Then I have a cable from the
light going to the switch, and then another cable from a plug to the switch.
There is just a double socket on the garage wall, no consumer unit or
any other lights.

RobH wrote:

There is just a double socket on the garage wall, no consumer unit or
any other lights.

OK, that's somewhat unconventional, if the plug has a 13A fuse replace
with a 3A fuse.

From the cable plugged into the socket, connect the live to the COM
terminal of the switch, connect the neutral to a separate connector
(e.g. piece of choc-block or wago), connect the earth to the earth
terminal in the backbox of the switch

From the cable to the light, connect the live to the L1 terminal of the
switch, connect the neutral to that same chock-block/wago connector,
connect the earth to the same terminal as the other earth

Are you using flex rather than twin and earth cable?

RobH wrote:

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage

Did you say you bought a switch from B&Q?

I can't see a 20AX that they sell, was it one of these

https://www.diy.com/departments/diall-1-gang-2-way-20a-external-single-outdoor-switch/259131_BQ.prd

if so the neon will probably already give you a separate terminal you
can use to connect both neutrals to, without a wago etc, can you post a
link to a photo of the internals of the switch?

This may not be helpful, but it may save a life: some things need a
basic level of expertise to do safely and it sounds as if you need to
either pay someone or find a knowledgeable and trustworthy pal.


+1

RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 12:37, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobHÂ* wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which
most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have
more than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut
your energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb
B, both).


NT


I only have 1 light, and just want to mount a switch by the garage
door.If I got a 2 gang switch, how do I wire it up.

I presently have a 2way switch which doesn't work because I probably
wired it up wrong.
There isÂ* a 1 way and a 2 way socket for the wires and a com. I wired it
up with the lives in the 1 way and the neutrals into the com.

Which would mean explosion if true.

On 12/12/2018 14:07, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage

Did you say you bought a switch from B&Q?

I can't see a 20AX that they sell, was it one of these

https://www.diy.com/departments/diall-1-gang-2-way-20a-external-single-outdoor-switch/259131_BQ.prd


if so the neon will probably already give you a separate terminal you
can use to connect both neutrals to, without a wago etc, can you post a
link to a photo of the internals of the switch?

Yes I bought the switch from B&Q, and it was one of these:
https://www.diy.com/departments/dial.../971047_BQ.prd

On 12/12/2018 14:07, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage

Did you say you bought a switch from B&Q?

I can't see a 20AX that they sell, was it one of these

https://www.diy.com/departments/diall-1-gang-2-way-20a-external-single-outdoor-switch/259131_BQ.prd


if so the neon will probably already give you a separate terminal you
can use to connect both neutrals to, without a wago etc, can you post a
link to a photo of the internals of the switch?

The LED on the front of the switch has 2 thin black wires from it, 1 to
com, and the other to 2 way.
Does that make a difference to how the wiring should be.

RobH wrote:

The LED on the front of the switch has 2 thin black wires from it, 1 to
com, and the other to 2 way.
Does that make a difference to how the wiring should be.

A photo of the internals of the switch would be helpful ...

On 12/12/2018 14:36, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

The LED on the front of the switch has 2 thin black wires from it, 1
to com, and the other to 2 way.
Does that make a difference to how the wiring should be.

A photo of the internals of the switch would be helpful ...


Yes I realise that, but I have nowhere I can upload it, as I don't have
a website now.

RobH wrote:

I have nowhere I can upload it

google photos, imgbb, imgur, photobucket ...

Rob - Please get someone to do it for you. Even wiring into a waterproof
swithch needs a bit of experience.

On 12/12/2018 15:01, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

I have nowhere I can upload it

google photos, imgbb, imgur, photobucket ...

oops yes google photos:

Here it is:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx

RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 14:36, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

The LED on the front of the switch has 2 thin black wires from it, 1
to com, and the other to 2 way.
Does that make a difference to how the wiring should be.

A photo of the internals of the switch would be helpful ...


Yes I realise that, but I have nowhere I can upload it, as I don't have
a website now.
Just put imgur into google and follow instructions

DerbyBorn wrote:

Rob - Please get someone to do it for you. Even wiring into a waterproof
swithch needs a bit of experience.

Not least, cable retention for the cable/flex to the plug. From the
OP's description, the neon may be across the switch, which is clever in
one way, but obsolete design in these days of CFLs and LEDs.

--

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On 12/12/2018 15:44, FMurtz wrote:
RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 14:36, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

The LED on the front of the switch has 2 thin black wires from it, 1
to com, and the other to 2 way.
Does that make a difference to how the wiring should be.

A photo of the internals of the switch would be helpful ...


Yes I realise that, but I have nowhere I can upload it, as I don't
have a website now.
Just put imgur into google and follow instructions


Sorry I'm not sure what you mean about putting imgur into google.

RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx

404

On 12/12/2018 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx


404

Not for me it isn't, as I've just clicked on the link I gave and it goes
straight to the photo I was asked for.

On 12/12/2018 16:43, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx



404

Not for me it isn't, as I've just clicked on the link I gave and it goes
straight to the photo I was asked for.


have you shared the photo?

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reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

RobH wrote:

On 12/12/2018 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx

404

Not for me it isn't, as I've just clicked on the link I gave and it goes
straight to the photo I was asked for.

Do you have to specifically allow access to anybody who isn't
actually yourself?

Chris
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On 12/12/2018 15:09, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 15:01, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

I have nowhere I can upload it

google photos, imgbb, imgur, photobucket ...

oops yes google photos:

Here it is:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx


Whats your username and password. We need it to see your private
account as per the google photos link?


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On 12/12/2018 16:51, Robin wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:43, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx




404

Not for me it isn't, as I've just clicked on the link I gave and it
goes straight to the photo I was asked for.


have you shared the photo?


Try this then:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q... Nbku_3N5_-ZIQ

On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:15:03 UTC, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:51, Robin wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:43, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx




404

Not for me it isn't, as I've just clicked on the link I gave and it
goes straight to the photo I was asked for.


have you shared the photo?


Try this then:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q... Nbku_3N5_-ZIQ

404.

Where is the line between 'learn then do' and 'stay away'?


NT

FMurtz Wrote in message:
RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 12:37, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which
most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have
more than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut
your energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb
B, both).


NT


I only have 1 light, and just want to mount a switch by the garage
door.If I got a 2 gang switch, how do I wire it up.

I presently have a 2way switch which doesn't work because I probably
wired it up wrong.
There is a 1 way and a 2 way socket for the wires and a com. I wired it
up with the lives in the 1 way and the neutrals into the com.

Which would mean explosion if true.


Mmmm is this another Xmas panto I wonder?

(And how many posts before NT "starts to suspect"? ;-) )
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On 12/12/2018 17:33, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:15:03 UTC, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:51, Robin wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:43, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 16:24, Andy Burns wrote:
RobH wrote:

https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q...jNKiB4aTEPCLqx




404

Not for me it isn't, as I've just clicked on the link I gave and it
goes straight to the photo I was asked for.


have you shared the photo?


Try this then:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q... Nbku_3N5_-ZIQ

404.

Where is the line between 'learn then do' and 'stay away'?


NT


The picture is shared so I don't understand why the 404 again.

What line are you talking about 'learn and do' and 'stay away' I'm sure
I never said that.

On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:43:01 UTC, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 17:33, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:15:03 UTC, RobH wrote:

Try this then:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q... Nbku_3N5_-ZIQ

404.

Where is the line between 'learn then do' and 'stay away'?


NT


The picture is shared so I don't understand why the 404 again.

What line are you talking about 'learn and do' and 'stay away' I'm sure
I never said that.

that pretty much answers the question. Don't touch anything electrical.


NT

Was that the one where you had one with a black wire and somebody asked for
a picture?
Brian

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I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my garage,
so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

Not sure that would work with non filament bulbs. I did this with display
cabinet strip lights as they do tend to burn out very fast.
Brian

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On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which
most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have more
than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut your
energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb B, both).


NT

On 12/12/2018 17:44, wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:43:01 UTC, RobH wrote:
On 12/12/2018 17:33, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 17:15:03 UTC, RobH wrote:

Try this then:
https://photos.google.com/album/AF1Q... Nbku_3N5_-ZIQ

404.

Where is the line between 'learn then do' and 'stay away'?


NT


The picture is shared so I don't understand why the 404 again.

What line are you talking about 'learn and do' and 'stay away' I'm sure
I never said that.

that pretty much answers the question. Don't touch anything electrical.


NT


Ok fair does, and I won't ask anything else in this group.

Not least, cable retention for the cable/flex to the plug. From the
OP's description, the neon may be across the switch, which is clever in
one way, but obsolete design in these days of CFLs and LEDs.


I was thinking the same.

On Wed, 12 Dec 2018 18:43:06 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:


Not least, cable retention for the cable/flex to the plug. From the
OP's description, the neon may be across the switch, which is clever in
one way, but obsolete design in these days of CFLs and LEDs.


I was thinking the same.

We have a couple of 'across the switch' neons, and they work OK with CFLs
at least.



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On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 18:15:50 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
...
On Wednesday, 12 December 2018 12:34:08 UTC, RobH wrote:

I can't see my post from yesterday about 2 way outdoor switch in my
garage, so I'll just ask this.

What type of switch do I need for a light in my garage. Not being and
electrician, I am confused by the so many different types to know what I
should have.

if it's for switching at either of 2 locations, a 2 way switch - which
most lightswitches are anyway.

That does not mean 2 gang, which is a separate question. If you have more
than 1 light, a 2 or more gang switch is a very cheap way to cut your
energy use/cost by enabling 3 brightness settings (bulb A, bulb B, both).


NT

Not sure that would work with non filament bulbs. I did this with display
cabinet strip lights as they do tend to burn out very fast.
Brian

Of course switching 2 bulbs separately works.


NT