I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

I installed the consumer unit myself several years ago and as I say the lights are on separate breakers and the fact that it seems to be affecting the power sockets would lead me to think that if the fault is on my side of things then it'd have to be the main 100A power switch on the consumer unit. I turned all the power off and toggled the power switch on and off several times thinking that might "clear" the fault but it's still the same.

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of things) and what I could do to test for it?

me wrote:

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of things) and what I could do to test for it?

Check with a few neighbours if they've noticed anything (remember they
will be spread over multiple phases) could be a fault underground, on
poles or in substation.

If you're confident then isolate the supply and tighten all screw
terminals in the CU, obviously avoid the live side of the main switch.

Other than that, let the supplier come out and do whatever tests they
see fit, they'll tell you if you need to get your side fixed, or
they'll fix their side.

On Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:04:22 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:

Check with a few neighbours if they've noticed anything (remember they
will be spread over multiple phases) could be a fault underground, on
poles or in substation.


I forgot to say that I asked if there had been any problems reported in my street and he said there hadn't - I can't imagine I'd be the only one affected. Also I'm fully confident with electricity as I installed everything from the tails inwards.

The funny thing is that my supplier has been trying to get me to have a new smart meter fitted and I refused. A couple of weeks later and this fault starts happening. Coincidence ... you decide! LOL!

If you are not seriously affected a 240V coil relay can give an
indication of a power fail.

Feed the coil through an n/o contact. Add a reset button across the
contact, stick it in a box and drop it across live and neutral of the
supply you wish to "monitor".

I bought a load of these relays and bases from Ebay. They take a while
if you want cheap, as they are shipped from China.

I have a loose connection on the fitting in the bathroom, no problem
with the diagnosis though, it's arcing is fairly easy to hear. [CFL
bulb]

AB



On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 13:57:43 -0800 (PST), me
wrote:

I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

I installed the consumer unit myself several years ago and as I say the lights are on separate breakers and the fact that it seems to be affecting the power sockets would lead me to think that if the fault is on my side of things then it'd have to be the main 100A power switch on the consumer unit. I turned all the power off and toggled the power switch on and off several times thinking that might "clear" the fault but it's still the same.

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of things) and what I could do to test for it?

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes:
If you are not seriously affected a 240V coil relay can give an
indication of a power fail.

Feed the coil through an n/o contact. Add a reset button across the
contact, stick it in a box and drop it across live and neutral of the
supply you wish to "monitor".

I bought a load of these relays and bases from Ebay. They take a while
if you want cheap, as they are shipped from China.

I have a loose connection on the fitting in the bathroom, no problem
with the diagnosis though, it's arcing is fairly easy to hear. [CFL
bulb]

AB

Mains filament lamps (ideally not halogen) are very good for showing
momentary dips and surges, as the change in light level is amplified
many times over the change in voltage that causes it. If you aren't
using them anymore, find an old one and use it as the main light in
your room, and you will soon see what's happening with mains voltage
dips/spikes.

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On Sat, 8 Dec 2018 22:54:22 -0000 (UTC),
(Andrew Gabriel) wrote:

In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes:
If you are not seriously affected a 240V coil relay can give an
indication of a power fail.

Feed the coil through an n/o contact. Add a reset button across the
contact, stick it in a box and drop it across live and neutral of the
supply you wish to "monitor".

I bought a load of these relays and bases from Ebay. They take a while
if you want cheap, as they are shipped from China.

I have a loose connection on the fitting in the bathroom, no problem
with the diagnosis though, it's arcing is fairly easy to hear. [CFL
bulb]

AB

Mains filament lamp
(ideally not halogen) are very good for showing
momentary dips and surges, as the change in light level is amplified
many times over the change in voltage that causes it. If you aren't
using them anymore, find an old one and use it as the main light in
your room, and you will soon see what's happening with mains voltage
dips/spikes.

Agreed totally, but the relay approach "remembers" the blip in power
and by dropping it across the lighting source or ring main [fuse
advised] the interruption will be remembered.

I squirted a can of WD 40 into the pull switch before the noise told
me I was on the wrong track. A loose wire in a JB in the loft would
not be easy to pinpoint.

AB

Well first ask the neighbours.
That will at least tell you if its really local. Get a medium wave radio
when it happens and see if you can hear any arcing sounds in your house.
Personally I'd have accepted their offer as they could have done the
neighbour checks etc with a little more authority in case you do not get on
with a neighbour.
I do remember some 2 years ago something similar happened to a friend of
mine. It was eventually traced to a jury rigged Canherbis farm in a
property in the same road.
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I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although
they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp
plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well.
It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than
a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and
they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider
this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to
try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may
lie first.

I installed the consumer unit myself several years ago and as I say the
lights are on separate breakers and the fact that it seems to be affecting
the power sockets would lead me to think that if the fault is on my side of
things then it'd have to be the main 100A power switch on the consumer unit.
I turned all the power off and toggled the power switch on and off several
times thinking that might "clear" the fault but it's still the same.

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of
things) and what I could do to test for it?

Yes coincidence. I' m afraid, I seriously doubt any company has the time or
inclination to target one customer.
They just do not seem too bothered about Smart meters at the moment. If you
have a nearby street light see what that does.
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On Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:04:22 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:

Check with a few neighbours if they've noticed anything (remember they
will be spread over multiple phases) could be a fault underground, on
poles or in substation.


I forgot to say that I asked if there had been any problems reported in my
street and he said there hadn't - I can't imagine I'd be the only one
affected. Also I'm fully confident with electricity as I installed
everything from the tails inwards.

The funny thing is that my supplier has been trying to get me to have a
new smart meter fitted and I refused. A couple of weeks later and this
fault starts happening. Coincidence ... you decide! LOL!

On Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:57:45 UTC, me wrote:
I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

I installed the consumer unit myself several years ago and as I say the lights are on separate breakers and the fact that it seems to be affecting the power sockets would lead me to think that if the fault is on my side of things then it'd have to be the main 100A power switch on the consumer unit.. I turned all the power off and toggled the power switch on and off several times thinking that might "clear" the fault but it's still the same.

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of things) and what I could do to test for it?

Plug some table lights in. If they also flicker, the whole house is affected.
The first thing to do is check for loose screws in your consumer unit.

Brian Gaff wrote

Yes coincidence. I' m afraid, I seriously doubt any company has the time
or inclination to target one customer.

Yep.

They just do not seem too bothered about Smart meters at the moment. If
you have a nearby street light see what that does.

Chance of 1/3 is on a different phase.

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On Saturday, 8 December 2018 22:04:22 UTC, Andy Burns wrote:

Check with a few neighbours if they've noticed anything (remember they
will be spread over multiple phases) could be a fault underground, on
poles or in substation.


I forgot to say that I asked if there had been any problems reported in
my street and he said there hadn't - I can't imagine I'd be the only one
affected. Also I'm fully confident with electricity as I installed
everything from the tails inwards.

The funny thing is that my supplier has been trying to get me to have a
new smart meter fitted and I refused. A couple of weeks later and this
fault starts happening. Coincidence ... you decide! LOL!

me wrote:

I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

I installed the consumer unit myself several years ago and as I say the lights are on separate breakers and the fact that it seems to be affecting the power sockets would lead me to think that if the fault is on my side of things then it'd have to be the main 100A power switch on the consumer unit. I turned all the power off and toggled the power switch on and off several times thinking that might "clear" the fault but it's still the same.

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of things) and what I could do to test for it?

Could the main fuse be making poor contact?

After I pulled the fuse to change a CU some years ago, there was
an issue that I didn't spot affecting the contact surfaces. I
experienced occasional supply dips, and eventually noticed
overheating of the fuseholder.

They were round to sort it in very short order.

Chris
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On Saturday, 8 December 2018 21:57:45 UTC, me wrote:

I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

I installed the consumer unit myself several years ago and as I say the lights are on separate breakers and the fact that it seems to be affecting the power sockets would lead me to think that if the fault is on my side of things then it'd have to be the main 100A power switch on the consumer unit.. I turned all the power off and toggled the power switch on and off several times thinking that might "clear" the fault but it's still the same.

So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side of things) and what I could do to test for it?


The bad contact could be almost anywhere, either your side or supplier's. 'Pretty sure' is a recipe for failure at this sort of thing, you need to determine your facts for sure before applying logic. If you wired the house yourself I'm sure you are entirely capable of figuring the rest out. Well, unless you used, as I once encountered, broken bulbholders & bare twisted wires for JBs, bell wire for lighting circuits et el.


NT

On 09/12/2018 08:51, Chris J Dixon wrote:
Could the main fuse be making poor contact?

After I pulled the fuse to change a CU some years ago, there was
an issue that I didn't spot affecting the contact surfaces. I
experienced occasional supply dips, and eventually noticed
overheating of the fuseholder.

They were round to sort it in very short order.

We had similar problems some years ago. It turned out that the electricity company's main fuse for our flat was in the hallway of the block, and when we eventually located it and listened to it there were sparking noises coinciding with the flickering of our lights. Since the fuse unit was sealed up, I reported it to the company and they treated it as a high priority case (a possible fire risk perhaps?) and sent someone out to replace the fuse very quickly. This may not be your problem, but worth investigating.


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On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 07:48:46 -0000, "Brian Gaff"
wrote:

Well first ask the neighbours.
That will at least tell you if its really local. Get a medium wave radio

I found a LW radio is more effective, but it's difficult to pinpoint
the defective circuit as the surrounding wiring retransmits the noise
pulses.

AB

In article ,
me wrote:
So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side
of things) and what I could do to test for it?

Flickering would suggest a poor connection somewhere.

Increase the load to see where the smoke comes from. ;-)

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On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 11:32:57 +0000 (GMT), "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
me wrote:
So any ideas as to where the fault might lie (assuming it's on my side
of things) and what I could do to test for it?

Flickering would suggest a poor connection somewhere.

Increase the load to see where the smoke comes from. ;-)

I am reminded of the time when I had the flickering lights episode. I
was just about to depart on a seven hour trip to Belfast when the
lights started flickering.

The old part of the house was protected by an ELCB, this was the
problem. Swopped it for an RCD on my return, but that morning was a
nightmare trying to wheel the freezer and fridge to within extension
reach of a bedroom.

I did think the supply company were at fault initially though, every
supply pole up to the house produces a frying noise, proportional to
the amount of humidity. The first action was training binoculars on
neighbours windows to see if they had the problem. Probably not
something to be encouraged as a diagnostic tool.

AB

Quick update, might be useful for future readers with the same problem.

I turned all the electricity of at the consumer unit and pulled out and forcefully reseated the main 100A supply fuse on the provider side of the meter several times. So far no more flickering lights so fingers crossed.

By the way this was prompted by comments above so thanks to those people.

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating even when all electricity is off! Do the problems never end?

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 05:40:22 -0800 (PST), me
wrote:

Quick update, might be useful for future readers with the same problem.

I turned all the electricity of at the consumer unit and pulled out and forcefully reseated the main 100A supply fuse on the provider side of the meter several times. So far no more flickering lights so fingers crossed.

By the way this was prompted by comments above so thanks to those people.

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating even when all electricity is off! Do the problems never end?

You have discovered perpetual motion. Congratulations!

Interrupting the power might have created a small "weld" across the
high resistance contact with the repeated "surge".

I have always found with intermittents, it is best to do nothing but
observe and test with as little disturbance as possible to the
suspected circuit.

That's not to say that there is anything wrong with your technique
it's just nice to be able to narrow things down to a particular
component or connection. Intermittents can come back at the most
inconvenient times.

AB

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:06:03 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Interrupting the power might have created a small "weld" across the
high resistance contact with the repeated "surge".


I suppose so but the only things left in circuit, because I switched the main breaker on the consumer unit off, are the 100A supplier fuse, the tails from this to the meter, the meter istelf and the tails from the meter to the consumer unit.

So, unless the fault is in the meter itself, I'm pretty confident that the fault was in the contacts on the supplier's 100A fuse which I have now cleared with the repeated reseating.

Strangely the 100A fuse has now got one of those little metal tags on it to stop tampering that never used to be there. No idea how they got that on but the meter is in a shared alleyway so my neighbour must be complicit (annoying bugger)!

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 07:51:49 UTC, Brian Gaff wrote:
Yes coincidence. I' m afraid, I seriously doubt any company has the time or
inclination to target one customer.
They just do not seem too bothered about Smart meters at the moment.

For the eleven years I've been at this property there's been no fault whatsoever, then two weeks after being cajoled by my provider and me refusing to take a smart meter this fault happens. I was only joking that it was possibly them causing the fault but you have to admit that is one hell of a coincidence!

On Sun, 9 Dec 2018 06:32:16 -0800 (PST), me
wrote:

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:06:03 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Interrupting the power might have created a small "weld" across the
high resistance contact with the repeated "surge".


I suppose so but the only things left in circuit, because I switched the main breaker on the consumer unit off, are the 100A supplier fuse, the tails from this to the meter, the meter istelf and the tails from the meter to the consumer unit.

So, unless the fault is in the meter itself, I'm pretty confident that the fault was in the contacts on the supplier's 100A fuse which I have now cleared with the repeated reseating.

Strangely the 100A fuse has now got one of those little metal tags on it to stop tampering that never used to be there. No idea how they got that on but the meter is in a shared alleyway so my neighbour must be complicit (annoying bugger)!

Sounds odd? So how is the power distributed? You have a common meter
for yourself and the neighbour?

Is it one CU feeding both yourself and the neighbour?


Is the tag stamped? They can be bought by anyone from Amazon or Ebay.

I did wonder how you were able to waggle a company fuse about.

The rotation of the meter might not be perpetual motion after all. Who
pays for the wallymitts recorded thereon :-)

AB

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:43:58 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Sounds odd? So how is the power distributed? You have a common meter
for yourself and the neighbour?

Is it one CU feeding both yourself and the neighbour?


The main street power cable comes up the alley wall to the provider's fuse unit which has one 100A fuse for my circuit and a separate 60A fuse for my neighbour, so the circuits are quite separate.

I did wonder how you were able to waggle a company fuse about.

Well, whether by luck or design, I suspect luck, the anti-tamper tag is just long enough to allow me to unplug the fuse and reseat it. Had it not been I would just have cut it off! I suspect that whomever managed to get that tag on also unseated the fuse and didn't reseat it fully, possibly leading to this fault, but I'll never really know.

Still, no flickering lights so far so I'm getting more confident.

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:06:03 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

Interrupting the power might have created a small "weld" across the
high resistance contact with the repeated "surge".


I suppose so but the only things left in circuit, because I switched the main breaker on the consumer unit off, are the 100A supplier fuse, the tails from this to the meter, the meter istelf and the tails from the meter to the consumer unit.

So, unless the fault is in the meter itself, I'm pretty confident that the fault was in the contacts on the supplier's 100A fuse which I have now cleared with the repeated reseating.

Strangely the 100A fuse has now got one of those little metal tags on it to stop tampering that never used to be there. No idea how they got that on but the meter is in a shared alleyway so my neighbour must be complicit (annoying bugger)!

Probably re-sealed by someone masquerading as a "meter reader".



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On Sunday, 9 December 2018 13:40:24 UTC, me wrote:
Quick update, might be useful for future readers with the same problem.

I turned all the electricity of at the consumer unit and pulled out and forcefully reseated the main 100A supply fuse on the provider side of the meter several times. So far no more flickering lights so fingers crossed.

By the way this was prompted by comments above so thanks to those people.

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating even when all electricity is off! Do the problems never end?

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:55:02 UTC, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 13:40:24 UTC, me wrote:

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating even when all electricity is off! Do the problems never end?

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

good luck proving that

On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 08:55:00 -0800, harry wrote:

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

ISTR way back in the 60s the same situation pertained. No matter what you
switched off, there would always be *some* small residual rotation of the
disk. Earth leakage faults, maybe?



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On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 09:05:43 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:55:02 UTC, harry wrote:

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

good luck proving that

Why would that be the least bit difficult?



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Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 08:55:00 -0800, harry wrote:

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

ISTR way back in the 60s the same situation pertained. No matter what you
switched off, there would always be *some* small residual rotation of the
disk. Earth leakage faults, maybe?

in the very late 50s (it might have been early 60s) I worked for a short
time in SESEB's meter test room. That would havbe been a fail.

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On 08/12/2018 21:57, me wrote:
I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

We had the same symptoms. It went on for ages, then one afternoon the
power went off completely. It turned out that the underground cable from
the street to the house was faulty.

Bill

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Quick update, might be useful for future readers with the same problem.

I turned all the electricity of at the consumer unit and pulled out and
forcefully reseated the main 100A supply fuse on the provider side of the
meter several times. So far no more flickering lights so fingers crossed.

By the way this was prompted by comments above so thanks to those people.

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating
even when all electricity is off!

Thats a real worry. There is something seriously ****ed there somewhere.

Do the problems never end?

They will when the house burns down {-(

On Mon, 10 Dec 2018 07:03:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rot Speed,
the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That¢s a real worry. There is something seriously ****ed there somewhere.

Are we talking about your senile brain here, Rot?

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"me" wrote in message
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On Sunday, 9 December 2018 14:06:03 UTC, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote:

Interrupting the power might have created a small "weld" across the
high resistance contact with the repeated "surge".


I suppose so but the only things left in circuit, because I switched the
main breaker on the consumer unit off, are the 100A supplier fuse, the
tails from this to the meter, the meter istelf and the tails from the
meter to the consumer unit.

So, unless the fault is in the meter itself,

Meters dont get faults like that.

I'm pretty confident that the fault was in the contacts on the supplier's
100A fuse which I have now cleared with the repeated reseating.

But that doesnt explain the meter still rotating slowly. Thats the
evidence
that the problem isnt just the contacts in the supplier's 100A fuse.

Strangely the 100A fuse has now got one of those little metal tags on it
to stop tampering that never used to be there. No idea how they got that
on but the meter is in a shared alleyway so my neighbour must be complicit
(annoying bugger)!

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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On 08/12/2018 21:57, me wrote:
I've been experiencing very brief flashing of my ceiling lights although
they are on separate circuits upstairs and downstairs and while I had a
lamp plugged in to the mains I'm pretty sure I saw brief flickering as
well. It's quite intermittent but I had a total power loss for probably
less than a second a couple of days ago and decided to phone the
electricity board and they wanted to send a man around, they said at no
cost, as they consider this an emergency situation but I put them off
temporarily because I want to try to determine whether it is on my side
of the circuit where the fault may lie first.

We had the same symptoms. It went on for ages, then one afternoon the
power went off completely. It turned out that the underground cable from
the street to the house was faulty.

In my case it was the areal cable between the barge board and the street
power pole.

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 18:08:02 UTC, Cursitor Doom wrote:
On Sun, 09 Dec 2018 09:05:43 -0800, tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:55:02 UTC, harry wrote:

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

good luck proving that

Why would that be the least bit difficult?

how do you propose to prove when it went out of calibration?


NT

On Monday, 10 December 2018 10:14:58 UTC, wrote:

how do you propose to prove when it went out of calibration?


It'll be like any civil case, it goes on the balance of probabilities. So I'll make my claim for 10 years' backdated money they owe me and it'll be for them to prove that it was calibrated correctly in those 10 years if they don't want to pay out. And how will they do that? They can't because they've never done a no load test to see if the meter disc still rotates. I win!

On Monday, 10 December 2018 16:21:21 UTC, me wrote:
On Monday, 10 December 2018 10:14:58 UTC, tabby wrote:

how do you propose to prove when it went out of calibration?


It'll be like any civil case, it goes on the balance of probabilities. So I'll make my claim for 10 years' backdated money they owe me and it'll be for them to prove that it was calibrated correctly in those 10 years if they don't want to pay out. And how will they do that? They can't because they've never done a no load test to see if the meter disc still rotates. I win!

no, with zero evidence for your position you the plaintiff lose.


NT

On Sunday, 9 December 2018 17:05:45 UTC, wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:55:02 UTC, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 13:40:24 UTC, me wrote:

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating even when all electricity is off! Do the problems never end?

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

good luck proving that

The above IS the proof ****-fer-brains

On Monday, 10 December 2018 16:48:34 UTC, wrote:
On Monday, 10 December 2018 16:21:21 UTC, me wrote:
On Monday, 10 December 2018 10:14:58 UTC, tabby wrote:

how do you propose to prove when it went out of calibration?


It'll be like any civil case, it goes on the balance of probabilities. So I'll make my claim for 10 years' backdated money they owe me and it'll be for them to prove that it was calibrated correctly in those 10 years if they don't want to pay out. And how will they do that? They can't because they've never done a no load test to see if the meter disc still rotates. I win!

no, with zero evidence for your position you the plaintiff lose.


NT

Drivel.
I used to help install meters as an apprentice in the Electricity Board.
An assessment is made.

On Monday, 10 December 2018 17:06:17 UTC, harry wrote:
On Monday, 10 December 2018 16:48:34 UTC, tabby wrote:
On Monday, 10 December 2018 16:21:21 UTC, me wrote:
On Monday, 10 December 2018 10:14:58 UTC, tabby wrote:

how do you propose to prove when it went out of calibration?


It'll be like any civil case, it goes on the balance of probabilities.. So I'll make my claim for 10 years' backdated money they owe me and it'll be for them to prove that it was calibrated correctly in those 10 years if they don't want to pay out. And how will they do that? They can't because they've never done a no load test to see if the meter disc still rotates. I win!

no, with zero evidence for your position you the plaintiff lose.


NT

Drivel.
I used to help install meters as an apprentice in the Electricity Board.
An assessment is made.

feel free to tell us how you'd assess when it went out of calibration.

On Monday, 10 December 2018 17:04:51 UTC, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 17:05:45 UTC, tabby wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 16:55:02 UTC, harry wrote:
On Sunday, 9 December 2018 13:40:24 UTC, me wrote:

Only thing now is I noticed my meter disc is still very slowly rotating even when all electricity is off! Do the problems never end?

That is a well known fault with disk meters.
You need to turn your main switch off to verify it.
This could have massively affected your electricity bills.
They might owe you a lot of money.

good luck proving that

The above IS the proof ****-fer-brains

plainly it does not prove that it's been out of whack for a long period.