On 23/10/18 12:41, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/10/18 09:39, TimW wrote:

hard right politicians like Farage and Reely Smug with their nasty
nationalist dogma.

"hard right" my arse.

Farage would probably fit the bill of being "heavily conservative",
which the Conservative Party has not been for some years (probably last
time was under Thatcher).

If you want hard-right, there are a fair few in America you can look up
on Wikipedia to give you a sense of perspective.


In the relatively civilised politics of the UK there is an enduring idea
that MPs represent all their constituents, not just the ones who voted
for them and that HMGov represents and has a duty towards all of HM's
subjects. No mainstream party has ever tried to divide the electorate to
say they are a party that represents only say catholics, or only the
English, or only trade unionists.

Farage and Reely Smugg have departed from that consensus to form a
faction that doesn't represent immigrants, says '**** you' to Scotland
and of course the whole Brexit debacle is about saying '**** you' to
half the electorate who don't want it. That's why they are outside of
the mainstream of democracy and are hard right politicians. They should
be universally despised by all right thinking people.

TW

On 23/10/2018 16:43, TimW wrote:
On 23/10/18 12:41, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/10/18 09:39, TimW wrote:

hard right politicians like Farage and Reely Smug with their nasty
nationalist dogma.

"hard right" my arse.

Farage would probably fit the bill of being "heavily conservative",
which the Conservative Party has not been for some years (probably
last time was under Thatcher).

If you want hard-right, there are a fair few in America you can look
up on Wikipedia to give you a sense of perspective.


In the relatively civilised politics of the UK there is an enduring idea
that MPs represent all their constituents, not just the ones who voted
for them and that HMGov represents and has a duty towards all of HM's
subjects. No mainstream party has ever tried to divide the electorate to
say they are a party that represents only say catholics, or only the
English, or only trade unionists.

Farage and Reely Smugg have departed from that consensus to form a
faction that doesn't represent immigrants, says '**** you' to Scotland
and of course the whole Brexit debacle is about saying '**** you' to
half the electorate who don't want it. That's why they are outside of
the mainstream of democracy and are hard right politicians. They should
be universally despised by all right thinking people.

I can also think of a much more main stream party than UKIP and RM that
decided to follow the lead of its head and completely exclude all those
British people who follow a certain religion. A lot more worrying in my
view.

On 23/10/18 17:07, JoeJoe wrote:
On 23/10/2018 16:43, TimW wrote:
On 23/10/18 12:41, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/10/18 09:39, TimW wrote:

hard right politicians like Farage and Reely Smug with their nasty
nationalist dogma.

"hard right" my arse.

Farage would probably fit the bill of being "heavily conservative",
which the Conservative Party has not been for some years (probably
last time was under Thatcher).

If you want hard-right, there are a fair few in America you can look
up on Wikipedia to give you a sense of perspective.


In the relatively civilised politics of the UK there is an enduring
idea that MPs represent all their constituents, not just the ones who
voted for them and that HMGov represents and has a duty towards all of
HM's subjects. No mainstream party has ever tried to divide the
electorate to say they are a party that represents only say catholics,
or only the English, or only trade unionists.

Farage and Reely Smugg have departed from that consensus to form a
faction that doesn't represent immigrants, says '**** you' to Scotland
and of course the whole Brexit debacle is about saying '**** you' to
half the electorate who don't want it. That's why they are outside of
the mainstream of democracy and are hard right politicians. They
should be universally despised by all right thinking people.

I can also think of a much more main stream party than UKIP and RM that
decided to follow the lead of its head and completely exclude all those
British people who follow a certain religion. A lot more worrying in my
view.

I can't

On 23/10/18 16:43, TimW wrote:
On 23/10/18 12:41, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/10/18 09:39, TimW wrote:

hard right politicians like Farage and Reely Smug with their nasty
nationalist dogma.

"hard right" my arse.

Farage would probably fit the bill of being "heavily conservative",
which the Conservative Party has not been for some years (probably
last time was under Thatcher).

If you want hard-right, there are a fair few in America you can look
up on Wikipedia to give you a sense of perspective.


In the relatively civilised politics of the UK there is an enduring idea
that MPs represent all their constituents, not just the ones who voted
for them and that HMGov represents and has a duty towards all of HM's
subjects. No mainstream party has ever tried to divide the electorate to
say they are a party that represents only say catholics, or only the
English, or only trade unionists.

Fair points.

Farage and Reely Smugg have departed from that consensus to form a
faction that doesn't represent immigrants, says '**** you' to Scotland
and of course the whole Brexit debacle is about saying '**** you' to
half the electorate who don't want it. That's why they are outside of
the mainstream of democracy and are hard right politicians. They should
be universally despised by all right thinking people.

TW

But ultimately, they have to represent the wishes of the referendum.

What May is doing, saying Brexit is Brexit, then fudging it into
something that is virtually remain, is what *is* despicable.

Farage is a man of honour in comparison.

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On 23/10/18 12:41, Tim Watts wrote:
On 23/10/18 09:39, TimW wrote:

hard right politicians like Farage and Reely Smug with their nasty
nationalist dogma.

"hard right" my arse.

Farage would probably fit the bill of being "heavily conservative", which
the Conservative Party has not been for some years (probably last time
was under Thatcher).

If you want hard-right, there are a fair few in America you can look up
on Wikipedia to give you a sense of perspective.


In the relatively civilised politics of the UK there is an enduring idea
that MPs represent all their constituents, not just the ones who voted for
them and that HMGov represents and has a duty towards all of HM's
subjects. No mainstream party has ever tried to divide the electorate to
say they are a party that represents only say catholics, or only the
English, or only trade unionists.

Thats very arguable with the DUP and SNP.

Farage and Reely Smugg have departed from that consensus to form a faction
that doesn't represent immigrants, says '**** you' to Scotland and of
course the whole Brexit debacle is about saying '**** you' to half the
electorate who don't want it. That's why they are outside of the
mainstream of democracy and are hard right politicians. They should be
universally despised by all right thinking people.