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feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more
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feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Element? |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:24:36 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... I had the same but I bought a new washing machine as the washing machine was ancient by then. I also installed RCBOs to protect the rest of the circuitry from tripping. |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message:
feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... If you've replaced the brushes a couple of times how much carbon dust is there lying around? Maybe just needs a good clean... Tim -- |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:37:58 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Tim+
wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... If you've replaced the brushes a couple of times how much carbon dust is there lying around? Maybe just needs a good clean... +1 Take the motor off and outside and put an airline on it. Might be best to wear a mask ... Cheers, T i m |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:25:49 +0100
Andy Burns wrote: Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Element? Boron. |
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Element? I agree, first port of call - element. Unplug/ disconnect/ isolate the element and see if it still trips. It might not be easy to replace though, if it is that. |
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On 16/10/2018 18:43, T i m wrote:
On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:37:58 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Tim+ wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... If you've replaced the brushes a couple of times how much carbon dust is there lying around? Maybe just needs a good clean... +1 Take the motor off and outside and put an airline on it. Might be best to wear a mask ... The neighbours will probably guess it's him, but if he does it elsewhere +1 to the mask. |
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On 16/10/2018 18:25, Andy Burns wrote:
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Element? or motor -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly |
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On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:24:40 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Almost any electrical part. Disconnect what's convenient & insulation test em. Motor, element, filter, pump, etc NT |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news  feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Usually the water heater, but can be other stuff with a washing machine like the water solenoids etc. |
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Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 06:50:44 +1100, cantankerous trolling senile geezer Rot
Speed blabbered, again: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Usually the water heater, but can be other stuff with a washing machine like the water solenoids etc. IOW, you can't tell, senile wisenheimer! Good we've cleared that up! -- pamela about Rot Speed: "His off the cuff expertise demonstrates how little he knows..." MID: |
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On 16/10/2018 18:59, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Andy Burns pretended : Element? I agree, first port of call - element. Unplug/ disconnect/ isolate* the element and see if it still trips. It might not be easy to replace though, if it is that. +1. They used to be not too bad to replace. |
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thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ......... |
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"Tim+" wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... If you've replaced the brushes a couple of times how much carbon dust is there lying around? Maybe just needs a good clean... didn't know that could cause the RCD to trip ....I'll get the air gun and compressor out...... |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 08:38:18 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: "Tim+" wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... If you've replaced the brushes a couple of times how much carbon dust is there lying around? Maybe just needs a good clean... didn't know that could cause the RCD to trip ....I'll get the air gun and compressor out...... Carbon is conductive and if enough of it (in powder form) gets between anything that is live (or neutral in some cases) and earth it can trip the RCD, especially when damp. To test it was the case with ours we simply disconnected the motor (plug and socket on the loom) and turned it on, no trip. Cheers, T i m |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... |
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On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 19:20:49 +0100, Richard
wrote: On 16/10/2018 18:43, T i m wrote: On Tue, 16 Oct 2018 18:37:58 +0100 (GMT+01:00), Tim+ wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." Wrote in message: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... If you've replaced the brushes a couple of times how much carbon dust is there lying around? Maybe just needs a good clean... +1 Take the motor off and outside and put an airline on it. Might be best to wear a mask ... The neighbours will probably guess it's him, but if he does it elsewhere +1 to the mask. ;-) Joking aside though, I'm not sure if there would be any rules that might govern if a d-i-yer could blow something like that out into the atmosphere, without some sort of dust capture (specifically for a 'one off' etc)? Cheers, T i m |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK ......The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... |
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On 17/10/2018 17:07, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK ......The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Surely, lots of bits start up when you close the door ...? |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:07:01 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Unlikely to be the interlock itself but more that it then enables power to other things, like the motor. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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"T i m" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:07:01 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news
thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Unlikely to be the interlock itself but more that it then enables power to other things, like the motor. ;-) Cheers, T i m no the bi-metal heating element has melted burning the unit and causing a short...ordered a new one...quietly confident that it will be it fixed when I get itand fit it.....let you know..... |
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Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Hang on - what have you checked the resistance with? A simple multimeter most likely wont show a short at 240v. -- from KT24 in Surrey, England "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle |
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"charles" wrote in message ... In article , Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news
thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Hang on - what have you checked the resistance with? A simple multimeter most likely wont show a short at 240v. yes did that and it was OK ...it is the bimetal strip in the door interlock that has melted causing a short ... |
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On 17/10/2018 17:52, charles wrote:
In article , Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news
thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Hang on - what have you checked the resistance with? A simple multimeter most likely wont show a short at 240v. Mine old one showed a 3K L/E resistance when it started tripping stuff - I got the fault traced to the motor armature - I dismantled the whole motor to see that. My friends cooker showed similar when THAT started tripping stuff on the grill - I replaced both elements.. In general earth leakage tends not to be non linear. It tends to be Ohmic in my experience and a straight multimeter normally shows it I'd put my money on a faulty drum or pump motor if the element checksd out. Ty eelectrinics isn't noramally equipped with a path to earth. Another possibility is a suppression filter with a leaky HV capacitor -- All political activity makes complete sense once the proposition that all government is basically a self-legalising protection racket, is fully understood. |
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Any filter capacitors or some tracking on a pcb somewhere?
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... |
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Yes motors do not just wear the brushes, but the comutator as well.
Brian -- ----- -- This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please Note this Signature is meaningless.! "The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message news On 16/10/2018 18:25, Andy Burns wrote: Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Element? or motor -- "The great thing about Glasgow is that if there's a nuclear attack it'll look exactly the same afterwards." Billy Connolly |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , scribeth thus On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:24:40 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote: feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Almost any electrical part. Disconnect what's convenient & insulation test em. Motor, element, filter, pump, etc NT I'd put money on it being the element;!... you just lost your money .... |
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On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:47:28 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: snip Unlikely to be the interlock itself but more that it then enables power to other things, like the motor. ;-) no the bi-metal heating element has melted burning the unit and causing a short... Oooerr! ordered a new one...quietly confident that it will be it fixed when I get itand fit it..... Agreed. let you know..... Do. ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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"T i m" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:47:28 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: snip Unlikely to be the interlock itself but more that it then enables power to other things, like the motor. ;-) no the bi-metal heating element has melted burning the unit and causing a short... Oooerr! ordered a new one...quietly confident that it will be it fixed when I get itand fit it..... Agreed. let you know..... Do. ;-) Cheers, T i m will do...I had no idea so many people would be interested in repairing washing machines.....tee hee |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "T i m" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:07:01 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news
thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Unlikely to be the interlock itself but more that it then enables power to other things, like the motor. ;-) Cheers, T i m no the bi-metal heating element has melted burning the unit and causing a short...ordered a new one...quietly confident that it will be it fixed when I get itand fit it.....let you know..... feck feck feck feck.....the new interlock doesn't solve the problem still tripping the RCDs....I can see a new machine on the horizon ....  |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "T i m" wrote in message ... On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 17:07:01 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news
thanks all ....I will try all that tomorrow when I get home from the caravan ........ that is the element disconnected...not much carbon dust around ...here goes...switching off the desktop first..... bang!...no not the element and just checked the resistance and it is OK .....The machine blows the RCD when I close the door ...must be the interlock...here goes ..... Unlikely to be the interlock itself but more that it then enables power to other things, like the motor. ;-) Cheers, T i m no the bi-metal heating element has melted burning the unit and causing a short...ordered a new one...quietly confident that it will be it fixed when I get itand fit it.....let you know..... feck feck feck feck.....the new interlock doesn't solve the problem still tripping the RCDs....I can see a new machine on the horizon .... £10 wasted... |
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On Sunday, 21 October 2018 16:07:38 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message ... no the bi-metal heating element has melted burning the unit and causing a short...ordered a new one...quietly confident that it will be it fixed when I get itand fit it.....let you know..... feck feck feck feck.....the new interlock doesn't solve the problem still tripping the RCDs....I can see a new machine on the horizon .... so you've got at least a £5 multimeter... which bit conducts to case/earth? NT |
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On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 18:24:40 UTC+1, Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:
feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... Our Hotpoint did the same thing; it turned out to be that the insulation on a wire inside the casing had chafed through and occasionally touched the casing. |
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On Sun, 21 Oct 2018 17:24:34 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: snip feck feck feck feck.....the new interlock doesn't solve the problem still tripping the RCDs....I can see a new machine on the horizon .... £10 wasted... Just OOI, have you tried disconnecting the motor? Cheers, T i m |
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On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 07:09:26 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: snip will do...I had no idea so many people would be interested in repairing washing machines.....tee hee This is (supposed to be) a d-i-y group you know? ;-) We were given a 13 month old Zanussi on Freecycle because it's main drum bearings had failed and they were in a sealed plastic tub (making it uneconomic to repair). We repaired it (for little cost) and it only lasted 7 times longer than it had from the factory? ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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"Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote in message news feck me...that is the washing machine tripping the RCDs ....more expense....any ideas where to look? ... I have replaced the brushes a couple of times....any ideas what it might be? ...... OK thanks all....did two things this morning and it is working fine now.....first I blew out the motor with the brushes removed and cleaned the commutator? with my big air comp and gun...what a mess!.....second I removed the burnt connecter to the interlock and soldered the wires directly to the new interlock live neutral and common....plugged in and off it went......£10 only slightly wasted...but no new machine to have to buy ....happy tight scotsman thanks you all...tee hee |
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:43:42 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..."
wrote: snip OK thanks all....did two things this morning and it is working fine now.....first I blew out the motor with the brushes removed and cleaned the commutator? with my big air comp and gun...what a mess!..... cough So it was the carbon from 2+ sets of brushes in there causing all the trouble after all eh? ;-) Cheers, T i m |
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"T i m" wrote in message ... On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 10:43:42 +0100, "Jim GM4DHJ ..." wrote: snip OK thanks all....did two things this morning and it is working fine now.....first I blew out the motor with the brushes removed and cleaned the commutator? with my big air comp and gun...what a mess!..... cough So it was the carbon from 2+ sets of brushes in there causing all the trouble after all eh? ;-) Cheers, T i m when the original brushes went it was a distress purchase localy and they were pattern parts and cost cost £20.....I then got a genuine set off the web for £10 for the next time...and guess what the fakes wore down with one year, one gone completely ..... so that was probably where all the carbon came from....The new set worked fine until all the RCD blowing ....... |
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