More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices
list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

On 28/07/2018 11:56, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have
taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point,
into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

BT is fibre to the nearest (green) box in the street. Whereas before it
may have been wire to the exchange which for many people would have been
Km long and which were possible installed 50+ years ago its now fibre to
the nearest box with only the bit between the box and house being wire.


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On 28/07/2018 12:24, alan_m wrote:

BT is fibre to the nearest (green) box in the street.* Whereas before it
may have been wire to the exchange which for many people would have been
Km long and which were possible installed 50+ years ago its now fibre to
the nearest box with only the bit between the box and house being wire.

Usually.

About 4% of us genuinely have fibre. FTTP - fibre to the premises.

Andy

Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Correct, FTTC is 'Fibre to the *cabinet*', it still runs over the
normal telephone wire pair to the house.


Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

See above, FTTC uses the existing pair, you just plug it into a VDSL
router as opposed to an ADSL router (some routers do both).


Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices
list of available AP's.

Start simple and work up. I.e. first get a wired connection to the
router running properly and fast (should be much faster than before
now he has FTTC). Next try the new router's WiFi with nothing else
extra, check where coverage is OK, or not. Then if needed add the
Homeplug thingies.

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·

On 28/07/2018 12:19, Chris Green wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Correct, FTTC is 'Fibre to the *cabinet*', it still runs over the
normal telephone wire pair to the house.


Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

See above, FTTC uses the existing pair, you just plug it into a VDSL
router as opposed to an ADSL router (some routers do both).


If you have any extensions, it is important to use a filtered faceplate.
If you don't performance will be adversely affected by reflections from
the TAP connections.


Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices
list of available AP's.

Start simple and work up. I.e. first get a wired connection to the
router running properly and fast (should be much faster than before
now he has FTTC). Next try the new router's WiFi with nothing else
extra, check where coverage is OK, or not. Then if needed add the
Homeplug thingies.

Homeplugs may work OK, but they are not known for being reliable.


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Michael Chare Wrote in message:
On 28/07/2018 12:19, Chris Green wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Correct, FTTC is 'Fibre to the *cabinet*', it still runs over the
normal telephone wire pair to the house.


Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

See above, FTTC uses the existing pair, you just plug it into a VDSL
router as opposed to an ADSL router (some routers do both).


If you have any extensions, it is important to use a filtered faceplate.
If you don't performance will be adversely affected by reflections from
the TAP connections.


Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices
list of available AP's.

Start simple and work up. I.e. first get a wired connection to the
router running properly and fast (should be much faster than before
now he has FTTC). Next try the new router's WiFi with nothing else
extra, check where coverage is OK, or not. Then if needed add the
Homeplug thingies.

Homeplugs may work OK, but they are not known for being reliable.

Oh? I've had 4 running for over 5 years with no issue.
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On 28/07/2018 12:58, Michael Chare wrote:
On 28/07/2018 12:19, Chris Green wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Correct, FTTC is 'Fibre to the *cabinet*', it still runs over the
normal telephone wire pair to the house.


Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

See above, FTTC uses the existing pair, you just plug it into a VDSL
router as opposed to an ADSL router (some routers do both).


If you have any extensions, it is important to use a filtered faceplate.
If you don't performance will be adversely affected by reflections from
the TAP connections.


Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices
list of available AP's.

Start simple and work up.Â* I.e. first get a wired connection to the
router running properly and fast (should be much faster than before
now he has FTTC).Â* Next try the new router's WiFi with nothing else
extra, check where coverage is OK, or not.Â* Then if needed add the
Homeplug thingies.

Homeplugs may work OK, but they are not known for being reliable.

Generally I have found them quite reliable - although I have only
installed a handful of systems (probably 20 to 30) using them.


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On Saturday, 28 July 2018 11:56:56 UTC+1, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices
list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

I'd probably take the view that the IP is not providing the service they contracted to provide, and if they wanted ongoing payment they would need to do so.


NT

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

They suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he
just needs to switch to the new router.

That's correct.

On 28/07/18 11:56, Harry Bloomfield wrote:


Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have
taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point,
into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

They use the existing phone line. Its only fibre to the street cab. Its
copper thereafter.


Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how,
however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all,
despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list
of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

They are crap when more than two are on the network


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returns of conjecture out of such a trifling investment of fact.

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The Natural Philosopher explained on 28/07/2018 :
They are crap when more than two are on the network

They work just fine for me, when I am out of range of my wifi. So I am
puzzled as to why his pair of Homeplugs didn't work, didn't even show
up on his devices at all.

Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
The Natural Philosopher explained on 28/07/2018 :
They are crap when more than two are on the network

They work just fine for me, when I am out of range of my wifi. So I am
puzzled as to why his pair of Homeplugs didn't work, didn't even show
up on his devices at all.

Where do yours "show up" ? Mine are all invisible unless I run the
setup software...
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on 28/07/2018, Jim K supposed :
Where do yours "show up" ? Mine are all invisible unless I run the
setup software...
--

Mine Homeplug is shown in the list of wife access points. W10, if I
click on the quadrant with rings symbol on the right, up pops all of
the wife connection access points my PC is seeing. At the top is the
one I am actually connected to.

Harry Bloomfield Wrote in message:
on 28/07/2018, Jim K supposed :
Where do yours "show up" ? Mine are all invisible unless I run the
setup software...
--

Mine Homeplug is shown in the list of wife access points. W10, if I
click on the quadrant with rings symbol on the right, up pops all of
the wife connection access points my PC is seeing. At the top is the
one I am actually connected to.


Oh you mean homeplug(s) with access point(s) too, right.
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In article ,
says...

Mine Homeplug is shown in the list of wife access points. W10, if I
click on the quadrant with rings symbol on the right, up pops all of
the wife connection access points my PC is seeing. At the top is the
one I am actually connected to.

Why are you using your wife to connect to the internet? :-)

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Harry Bloomfield wrote:

How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Because it's only fibre to the cabinet, then twisted pair to the house.

Virgin usually use coax (plus twisted pair for phone) to the house, but
it sounds like your area may be covered by Virgin's Project Lightning
which *is* fibre all the way to the house.

Andy Burns wrote on 28/07/2018 :
Because it's only fibre to the cabinet, then twisted pair to the house.

Virgin usually use coax (plus twisted pair for phone) to the house, but it
sounds like your area may be covered by Virgin's Project Lightning which *is*
fibre all the way to the house.

Could be, they covered the entire village with it, not long ago.

Andy Burns wrote:
Harry Bloomfield wrote:

How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Because it's only fibre to the cabinet, then twisted pair to the house.

Virgin usually use coax (plus twisted pair for phone) to the house, but
it sounds like your area may be covered by Virgin's Project Lightning
which *is* fibre all the way to the house.


I thought we were on Virgins Project Lightning (new grey cabinets in the
street) but final connection is still coax. No twisted pair though, theyve
just moved over to VOIP.

Tim

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On 28/07/2018 11:56, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

A completely different matter.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest
that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to
switch to the new router.

How much extra is that costing him? 'Normal' ADSL should be OK unless he
lives a long way from the exchange.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have
taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point,
into the house with cable.

....which someone will dig up with a hoe or just a kick. They don't even
bother to secure their roadside cabinets.

How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Because it's FTTC (Fibre To The Cabinet) as others have noted.

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how,
however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all,
despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list
of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

Homeplugs are regarded as the Spawn of the Devil by some, due to the
radio interference.

--
Max Demian

Max Demian laid this down on his screen :
Homeplugs are regarded as the Spawn of the Devil by some, due to the radio
interference.

By me too, so I only have them for emergency use.

Max Demian brought next idea :
How much extra is that costing him? 'Normal' ADSL should be OK unless he
lives a long way from the exchange.

I am 0.5Km with 16Mb, he is around 1.5Km with 6 to 8Mb. He rarely uses
what he has at the moment, apart from for email. It is costing him and
extra £4 pm.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
Max Demian brought next idea :
How much extra is that costing him? 'Normal' ADSL should be OK unless he
lives a long way from the exchange.

I am 0.5Km with 16Mb, he is around 1.5Km with 6 to 8Mb. He rarely uses
what he has at the moment, apart from for email. It is costing him and
extra £4 pm.

I actually had the price drop by 10% when going from adsl2+
to vdsl, because I no longer needed to pay for a POTS/PSTN
service. And I could have got it for half price if I had been
happy with only 50% faster than the 8mp adsl2+ service.

I chose to go for the fastest service because the 1mp upload
that I was getting with the adsl2+ service was almost unusable
for uploading videos and useless for cloud backup. The 50mb
upload with vdsl works perfectly for that stuff and is cheaper.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 06:06:26 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again:

I chose to go for the fastest service because the 1mp upload
that I was getting with the adsl2+ service was almost unusable
for uploading videos and useless for cloud backup. The 50mb
upload with vdsl works perfectly for that stuff and is cheaper.

Does that compensate you for not getting it up anymore, you ridiculous
bigmouthed senile geezer from Ozzieland? LOL

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"The man is a conspicuous and unashamed ignoramus."
MID:

Harry Bloomfield wrote:
Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access
point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do
this?

BT (specifically Openreach) do need to do this - but they've already
done it. Once there's a cable into the house, they can connect it at the
cabinet to FTTC (VDSL), back at the exchange for plain broadband (ADSL),
or just connect it to the exchange for a phone line with no broadband.
If you change from one to the other, they will change the relevant
connections at the exchange and/or cabinet with no need to visit the
house. Now if you order FTTP, that's a different matter as you'll need a
different type of cable (fibre rather than copper) and Openreach will
need to visit the house. Or if you need a line where there isn't one
already (a new house, or a second line), they'll need to visit to
install it. Since Virgin are setting up a new service and don't have
lines into anyone's house, they'll always need to visit - the first
time. But if you then get a different service from Virgin they probably
won't need to visit to make the change.

Mike

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him. They
are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest that
they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to switch to
the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic access
points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have taken up
the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point, into the
house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how, however
the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all, despite it all
being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

homeplugs are the work of the devil ..........

In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the
access point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't
need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of
his wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his
devices list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need
them and they work absolutely fine.

homeplugs are the work of the devil ..........

When I got BT FTTC here, they supplied a new router etc. I've got them
installed in the cellar (don't actually want to see them all the time)
which is fine for most of the house. But the top floor and garden not so
good. So used the old router as an extra Wi-Fi point, fed via CAT5 on the
top floor. Seems to go a long way. ;-)

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
...
In article ,
Jim GM4DHJ ... wrote:

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They
suggest that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just
needs to switch to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people
have taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the
access point, into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't
need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of
his wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be
causing him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see
how, however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at
all, despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his
devices list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need
them and they work absolutely fine.

homeplugs are the work of the devil ..........

When I got BT FTTC here, they supplied a new router etc. I've got them
installed in the cellar (don't actually want to see them all the time)
which is fine for most of the house. But the top floor and garden not so
good. So used the old router as an extra Wi-Fi point, fed via CAT5 on the
top floor. Seems to go a long way. ;-)

shocking

On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 15:32:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

which is fine for most of the house. But the top floor and garden not so
good. So used the old router as an extra Wi-Fi point, fed via CAT5 on
the top floor. Seems to go a long way. ;-)

That's the way to do it. Not with Home plugs or "WiFi extenders".
Home plugs just shove out lots of interference. WiFi extenders half
the throughput straight away before taking into account neighbours on
the same channel.

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On Sat, 28 Jul 2018 15:32:37 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

which is fine for most of the house. But the top floor and garden not so
good. So used the old router as an extra Wi-Fi point, fed via CAT5 on
the top floor. Seems to go a long way. ;-)

That's the way to do it. Not with Home plugs or "WiFi extenders".
Home plugs just shove out lots of interference. WiFi extenders half
the throughput straight away

That's not correct when you use them in access point mode
with a cat5 back to the router.

before taking into account neighbours on
the same channel.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 08:00:10 +1000, Jock Green wrote:

WiFi extenders half the throughput straight away

That's not correct when you use them in access point mode with a cat5
back to the router.

Then it's not an extender (aka repeater) is is it? It is, as you say,
an access point.

You still need to be careful about channels and any overlap of
channels and coverage but you don't get the instant 50% reduction in
through put that you do with an extender/repeater.

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Cheers
Dave.

Dave Plowman (News) formulated on Saturday :
When I got BT FTTC here, they supplied a new router etc. I've got them
installed in the cellar (don't actually want to see them all the time)
which is fine for most of the house. But the top floor and garden not so
good. So used the old router as an extra Wi-Fi point, fed via CAT5 on the
top floor. Seems to go a long way. ;-)

I have my setup the other way around. Phone cable is overhead, comes in
at the eaves, into loft, with the main router access point up there. It
gives pretty reasonable coverage around most of the place, but could be
better on ground floor. On the ground floor, I have a second access
point wired up to the first.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him. They
are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest that
they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to switch to
the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic access
points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have taken up
the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point, into the
house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how, however
the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all, despite it all
being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

It's DIGITAL you didn't really expect it to work properly did you ? .....

You are a scourge on society. Home plugs are the Bain of my life as a short
wave hobbyist. These devices pump so much rf down the mains cable they
contravene the Wireless telegraphy act, but the authorities are turning a
blind eye to it for their own reasons. Just another law run roughshod over
by big business.
I think they hope in the fullness of time 5G will make such devices
obsolete. It cannot happen too soon, but I doubt it will stop as all sorts
of devices now use the same idea including home automation.

As for how fibre works, I guess you would need to look at what is plugged
into his router.No you need either fibre to the house or the virgin idea of
fibre in the road and then a device that shoves it on co-ax for the last
few feet.

As for poor reception. My guess is that so many people now have wifi that
its interference not lack of signal. In the main I have only one item on
wifi, the echo dot, everything else is wired with network cables, end of
problem.
Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him. They
are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest that
they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to switch to
the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic access
points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have taken up
the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point, into the
house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how, however
the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all, despite it all
being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list of available AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

radio is dead...long live computers....or so the say ...

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
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You are a scourge on society. Home plugs are the Bain of my life as a
short wave hobbyist. These devices pump so much rf down the mains cable
they contravene the Wireless telegraphy act, but the authorities are
turning a blind eye to it for their own reasons. Just another law run
roughshod over by big business.
I think they hope in the fullness of time 5G will make such devices
obsolete. It cannot happen too soon, but I doubt it will stop as all sorts
of devices now use the same idea including home automation.

As for how fibre works, I guess you would need to look at what is plugged
into his router.No you need either fibre to the house or the virgin idea
of fibre in the road and then a device that shoves it on co-ax for the
last few feet.

As for poor reception. My guess is that so many people now have wifi that
its interference not lack of signal. In the main I have only one item on
wifi, the echo dot, everything else is wired with network cables, end of
problem.
Brian

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"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
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More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him. They
are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest that
they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to switch
to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have
taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point,
into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how, however
the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all, despite it
all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list of available
AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

"Brian Gaff" wrote in message
news
You are a scourge on society. Home plugs are the Bain of my life as a
short wave hobbyist. These devices pump so much rf down the mains cable
they contravene the Wireless telegraphy act, but the authorities are
turning a blind eye to it for their own reasons. Just another law run
roughshod over by big business.
I think they hope in the fullness of time 5G will make such devices
obsolete. It cannot happen too soon, but I doubt it will stop as all sorts
of devices now use the same idea including home automation.

As for how fibre works, I guess you would need to look at what is plugged
into his router.No you need either fibre to the house or the virgin idea
of fibre in the road and then a device that shoves it on co-ax for the
last few feet.

As for poor reception. My guess is that so many people now have wifi that
its interference not lack of signal.

And not just wifi interference either. Those remote video senders
and stuff like that are even worse. Mate of mine has an obscene
level of interference from one of the neighbours.

In the main I have only one item on wifi, the echo dot, everything else is
wired with network cables, end of problem.

I do everything by wifi now except the desktop PC to the modem/router, works
fine.

"Harry Bloomfield" wrote in message
news
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him. They
are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest that
they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to switch
to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have
taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point,
into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how, however
the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all, despite it
all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list of available
AP's.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.

On Sun, 29 Jul 2018 07:21:36 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
blabbered, again:


I do everything by wifi now except the desktop PC to the modem/router, works
fine.

....except that nobody gives a **** what you do, Rot!

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Cursitor Doom about Rot Speed:
"he man is a conspicuous and unashamed ignoramus."
MID:

Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Brian Gaff
wrote:

As for how fibre works, I guess you would need to look at what is plugged
into his router.No you need either fibre to the house or the virgin idea of
fibre in the road and then a device that shoves it on co-ax for the last
few feet.

You obviously haven't been paying attention Brian.


Are far as I can tell, Virgin either run coax from a street cabinet to your
house OR provide full FTTP. Theyre hardly likely to terminate just a few
feet from your house.

Tim

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Tim+ explained :
Are far as I can tell, Virgin either run coax from a street cabinet to your
house OR provide full FTTP. Theyre hardly likely to terminate just a few
feet from your house.

As near as I could see, what was dropped into the ground from cabinet
to every house, was a semi rigid and yellow coloured.

Harry Bloomfield wrote:

As near as I could see, what was dropped into the ground from cabinet to
every house, was a semi rigid and yellow coloured.

Just a hollow tube to allow fibre to blown in later. Given how many
tubes were bundled together into the minitrench, it was amusing to see
how they checked which was which ... one chap walked up the road with a
trolley containing a generator and a compressor and some hose, squirted
air into the stopcock for each house, and then walkie-talkied to his
mate to label which tube corresponds to that house at the cabinet end.

On 28/07/2018 11:56, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
More on my friends Internet access issues, which I mentioned earlier..

He would seem to have several issues and is on Plusnet, which is BT
supplied.

1. He seems to be reporting his Internet connection is unstable.

2. His wifi access from the Plusnet router is desperately poor range
coverage.

Not uncommon. Not always fixable with just one router. Depending on the
house / layout etc, he may need multiple access points.

He contacted PN this am and PN has checked out 1 and agree with him.
They are sending a new router and have upsold him to fibre. They suggest
that they don't need to run anything into his house, he just needs to
switch to the new router.

Virgin recently ran fibre round the village and left little plastic
access points in the pavement, adjacent to every home. Where people have
taken up the Virgin service, they have had to run from the access point,
into the house with cable. How come Plusnet/BT don't need to do this?

Because the BT "fibre" he has been sold is not really fibre in the true
sense. They are using Fibre to the Cabinet (FTTC), and then using VDSL
(a DSL varient designed for very high speed and short range) over copper
for the last few hundred metres...

The virgin option will be either a fibre or co-ax to the premises
system. (Typically FTTP or DOCSIS)

Friend bought himself a pair of BT Homplugs, to extend the range of his
wifi (2). During his call to PN, they said the Homeplug might be causing
him the problems with his poor interned - I don't really see how,
however the Homeplug access point, seemed not to be working at all,
despite it all being lit up. The AP failed to show in his devices list
of available AP's.

Homeplug devices work by injecting a RF signal into the mains wiring.
Given that was never really designed to limit radiation at those
frequencies, some of it will escape[1] - and may in theory make its way
into the telephone lines where it could interfere with the RF carrying
the broadband. In practice I have not seen this as a problem.

It sounds more likely they are not properly paired or are isolated in
some other way.

[1] upsetting the local radio amateurs.

I have the same pair of Homeplugs here, just for when I might need them
and they work absolutely fine.


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Cheers,

John.

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