Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?
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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in
150m of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

So you are allowed to use a hosepipe to siphon bathwater out of the bath
onto plants or lawn, or to take rainwater from a water butt to water plants?
I presumed that this was allowed, but I wouldn't have been surprised to find
that the laws weren't applied with any common sense. I wonder how the
enforcers distinguish between private and public when all they get is a
report from a neighbour who has only seen the spraying end of the hosepipe
and not where it is connected.

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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

So you are allowed to use a hosepipe to siphon bathwater out of the bath
onto plants or lawn, or to take rainwater from a water butt to water
plants?

And you are free to **** on the plants too.

I presumed that this was allowed, but I wouldn't have been surprised to
find that the laws weren't applied with any common sense.

Neither would I.

I wonder how the enforcers distinguish between private and public when all
they get is a report from a neighbour who has only seen the spraying end
of the hosepipe and not where it is connected.

They have to do the proving if they try to shaft you.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:35:26 +1000, cantankerous senile geezer Rot Speed
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And you are free to **** on the plants too.

You obviously feel free to **** in any thread in this group, senile
Ozzietard!

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"NY" writes:
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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

So you are allowed to use a hosepipe to siphon bathwater out of the bath
onto plants or lawn, or to take rainwater from a water butt to water plants?
I presumed that this was allowed, but I wouldn't have been surprised to find
that the laws weren't applied with any common sense. I wonder how the
enforcers distinguish between private and public when all they get is a
report from a neighbour who has only seen the spraying end of the hosepipe
and not where it is connected.

Water butt with rainwater is fine.

Can't use a hose for water delivered via the water main, even if it's
been used for bath/washing/etc. You can use a watering can, providing
you don't fill it using a hose.

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On 25/07/2018 20:31, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
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"NY" writes:
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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

So you are allowed to use a hosepipe to siphon bathwater out of the bath
onto plants or lawn, or to take rainwater from a water butt to water plants?
I presumed that this was allowed, but I wouldn't have been surprised to find
that the laws weren't applied with any common sense. I wonder how the
enforcers distinguish between private and public when all they get is a
report from a neighbour who has only seen the spraying end of the hosepipe
and not where it is connected.

Water butt with rainwater is fine.

Can't use a hose for water delivered via the water main, even if it's
been used for bath/washing/etc. You can use a watering can, providing
you don't fill it using a hose.

I heard you can fill it with a very short hose, if the tap is rather
high or in an awkward position.

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On 25/07/2018 20:31, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
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"NY" writes:
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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

So you are allowed to use a hosepipe to siphon bathwater out of the bath
onto plants or lawn, or to take rainwater from a water butt to water plants?
I presumed that this was allowed, but I wouldn't have been surprised to find
that the laws weren't applied with any common sense. I wonder how the
enforcers distinguish between private and public when all they get is a
report from a neighbour who has only seen the spraying end of the hosepipe
and not where it is connected.

Water butt with rainwater is fine.

Can't use a hose for water delivered via the water main, even if it's
been used for bath/washing/etc. You can use a watering can, providing
you don't fill it using a hose.

I heard you can fill it with a very short hose, if the tap is rather
high or in an awkward position.

What's a 'hosepipe'? If it's a 'flexible pipe' then I doubt if a lot
of people can turn on the tap above their sink legally. If it's not
just a 'flexible pipe' then what is it?

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On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:31:59 -0000 (UTC), Andrew Gabriel wrote:

Water butt with rainwater is fine.

Can't use a hose for water delivered via the water main, even if it's
been used for bath/washing/etc. You can use a watering can, providing
you don't fill it using a hose.

That's broadly it. How ever the "legal notice" published by United
Utilities and linked linked from:

https://www.unitedutilities.com/emer...n-on-the-way2/

Makes for interesting reading.

At first glance it seems to contradict itself, or is at least
confusing, over "grey water".

If some one has a Blue Badge or on the "Priority Services Register of
United Utilities Ltd" they come under "Discretionary Universal
Exceptions" and can use a hosepipe for most if not all of the banned
activies but it doesn't say where they can use a hosepipe. So one
assumes they can use one anywhere...

Also under the "Discretionary Universal Exceptions":

"* Cleaning a private motor vehicle using specific low water use
apparatus such as pressure washers;

* Watering food crops at domestic premises or private allotments using a
hosepipe;

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On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 13:43:47 +0100, Chris Hogg wrote:

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:15:23 +0100, "NY" wrote:

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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

So you are allowed to use a hosepipe to siphon bathwater out of the bath
onto plants or lawn,

I didn't think that was permitted. A hosepipe ban is just that: no
hoses, for anything, if you're on a mains supply. They expect you to
carry it around in watering cans, whether it comes from a water butt,
kitchen sink or bath. BICBW, and it may differ from region to region.

I used a hosepipe during a ban in the '90s - the hot water cylinder had a
drip that resulted in fungus growing under it and a stain on the ceiling.
A hose was the only way to empty it and I ran the water into the water butts
- no point in wasting it.
Th base of the cylinder is a good lid for one of the butts.
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On 25/07/2018 09:47, wrote:
On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in
150m of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

shurely it depends on the license conditions for the abstraction of
water? I didn't think anyone could dig a well and take water from an
aquifer these days.

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On 25/07/2018 09:47, wrote:
On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am digging-in 150m
of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to control the pump
automagically.

shurely it depends on the license conditions for the abstraction of water?
I didn't think anyone could dig a well and take water from an aquifer
these days.

They aint digging with an old well, stupid.

On Wed, 25 Jul 2018 10:20:04 +0100
"dennis@home" wrote:

On 25/07/2018 09:47, wrote:
On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
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No, which is why I've just reactivated an old well and am
digging-in 150m of MDPE. Next job is to fit a pressure switch to
control the pump automagically.

shurely it depends on the license conditions for the abstraction of
water? I didn't think anyone could dig a well and take water from an
aquifer these days.

From a quick look it appears that they're not interested in
abstraction of less than 20 cubic meters a day.

Very much depends on the local bylaws. many bore holes go to the same body
of water and you do not really want to upset your neighbours.
Brian

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"Brian Gaff" Wrote in message:
Very much depends on the local bylaws. many bore holes go to the same body
of water and you do not really want to upset your neighbours.
Brian


Bore hole?
How would the upset-able neighbours know anyway?
And if they already have access to the water why shouldn't anyone
else in the vicinity?
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On 25/07/2018 09:31, Jim K wrote:
Do hosepipe bans apply to private water supplies?

Probably depends on what area you are in but here's the info from United
Utilities
https://www.unitedutilities.com/emergencies/hosepipe-ban-on-the-way2/
for the ban due to come into force on 5th August.

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The main restrictions include:

Watering a garden and/or plants using a hosepipe
Cleaning a private car, van, motorbike, trailer, caravan or leisure
boat using a hosepipe
Filling or maintaining a domestic swimming pool, paddling pool or
ornamental fountain
Cleaning walls or windows using a hosepipe
Using a water from a hosepipe for domestic recreational use
Cleaning paths or patios using a hosepipe
Cleaning other artificial outdoor surfaces using a hosepipe.

You can still use water outdoors if you:

You are a blue badge holder or are on our priority services register
Use tap water to fill a bucket or watering can
Use grey water, which is water thats been used before ie bath water
Have your own water supply such as a private borehole.
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You can still use water outdoors if you:

You are a blue badge holder or are on our priority services register
Use tap water to fill a bucket or watering can
Use grey water, which is water thats been used before ie bath water
Have your own water supply such as a private borehole.

So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe. Which is sensible: if it was otherwise going to go down the drain,
it makes sense to reuse it for watering the garden.

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"Mike Clarke" wrote in message
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You can still use water outdoors if you:

You are a blue badge holder or are on our priority services
register Use tap water to fill a bucket or watering can Use grey
water, which is water that‘s been used before ie bath water Have
your own water supply such as a private borehole.

So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe. Which is sensible: if it was otherwise going to go down the
drain, it makes sense to reuse it for watering the garden.

when we last had a "hosepipe ban". it only applied to unattended
hosepipes. If you were prepared to stand there holding the hose, that was
allowed.

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:52:58 +0100, NY wrote:

Use grey water, which is water that s been used before ie bath
water

So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe.

Only if the grey water did not orginate from the mains.

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On 01/08/2018 18:58, Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:52:58 +0100, NY wrote:

Use grey water, which is water thatâ s been used before ie bath
water

So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe.

Only if the grey water did not orginate from the mains.

That does seem to be way the rules are worded. Presumably to stop people
filling the bath to the top and then claiming that they can feed a hose
from it "because it is waste water now."

I would supsect that, in reality, if you were caught using actual USED
bathwater, they'd not be overly concerned. Especially bearing in mind
that it seems that no-one has ever actually received a fine for flouting
a hosepipe ban (according to the Manchester Evening News).

SteveW

On Wed, 1 Aug 2018 20:15:01 +0100, Steve Walker wrote:

So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is*
allowed by
hosepipe.

Only if the grey water did not orginate from the mains.

That does seem to be way the rules are worded.

But not very clearly IMHO.

Presumably to stop people filling the bath to the top and then claiming
that they can feed a hose from it "because it is waste water now."

Probably.

I would supsect that, in reality, if you were caught using actual USED
bathwater, they'd not be overly concerned.

The only thing I can think of is that it reduces the amount of water
in the sewage system. The ban really only affects water use that
wouldn't enter the sewage system under normal conditions.

Especially bearing in mind that it seems that no-one has ever actually
received a fine for flouting a hosepipe ban (according to the Manchester
Evening News).

B-) Doesn't surprise me.

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:52:58 +0100, "NY" wrote:

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So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe. Which is sensible: if it was otherwise going to go down the drain,
it makes sense to reuse it for watering the garden.

I guess it all depends if you want to keep it in use as drinking water
or not?

If it goes 'down the drain' it quickly goes back though the water
treatment plant and back to your tap. If it goes onto your plants and
into the ground / water table or evaporates, it wouldn't?

Or if your grey water goes into a septic tank etc.

Cheers, T i m

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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:52:58 +0100, "NY" wrote:

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So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe. Which is sensible: if it was otherwise going to go down the
drain,
it makes sense to reuse it for watering the garden.

I guess it all depends if you want to keep it in use as drinking water
or not?

If it goes 'down the drain' it quickly goes back though the water
treatment plant and back to your tap.

That depends where the outflow from the sewage works goes. If the water is
clean enough to supply as drinking water, that's fine, but many parts of the
country discharge the treated water into rivers, so it still has to go
through the evaporation of the sea and rainfall stages before it gets back
to the tap.


If hosepipe bans really *did* outlaw you using water from the tap, after
being used for bath, for watering garden via a hosepipe, than there would be
the problem of how else do you water a garden? If you collect rainwater, you
need to make sure the water butts are higher than the ground to be watered
or have a pump. In contrast, bathrooms are usually upstairs and so it's easy
to siphon water from there onto the garden outside.

On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 13:16:06 +0100, "NY" wrote:

"T i m" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2018 11:52:58 +0100, "NY" wrote:

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So it would seem that using grey water (eg bathwater) *is* allowed by
hosepipe. Which is sensible: if it was otherwise going to go down the
drain,
it makes sense to reuse it for watering the garden.

I guess it all depends if you want to keep it in use as drinking water
or not?

If it goes 'down the drain' it quickly goes back though the water
treatment plant and back to your tap.

That depends where the outflow from the sewage works goes. If the water is
clean enough to supply as drinking water, that's fine, but many parts of the
country discharge the treated water into rivers, so it still has to go
through the evaporation of the sea and rainfall stages before it gets back
to the tap.

Ok.


If hosepipe bans really *did* outlaw you using water from the tap, after
being used for bath, for watering garden via a hosepipe, than there would be
the problem of how else do you water a garden?

You don't? After all, if there is the hint of a ban why would you use
what is likely to be a valuable a rationed commodity on keeping plants
alive over humans (a slight exception would be your vegetable patch
possibly). 'Every little helps' etc?

If you collect rainwater, you
need to make sure the water butts are higher than the ground to be watered
or have a pump.

Mum has a pump in hers that will push water though two long hoses to
her front garden. ;-)

In contrast, bathrooms are usually upstairs and so it's easy
to siphon water from there onto the garden outside.

Well, I'm not sure most would consider the process 'easy', even if
they knew how in the first place etc. I think these days some with get
Ocardo to deliver bottled water [1] and get 'a little man' to water
their garden with that instead. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] Or the '4 for £1' lagers as volumetrically they are 1/4 the price
of bottled water ... but are mostly water ... ?