Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Graphics are provided by intel Q45/43 chipset and claims to have the
latest drivers.
Intel driver website does not help, they have nothing more up to date
Acer tech support say they can't (wont?) help

I've tried a couple of websites that install a scanner and tell you that
all your drivers need updating but when I look down its suggestions
there are no new graphics drivers.

Before you say I need linux, save your typing time. I need it to work
with windows 7 Pro.

The monitor works fine under XP which offers 1440 x 900.

TIA
Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:

Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

Except 16:9 is standard widescreen, 16:10 is a bit oddball, though not
unheard of.

I'd hesitate to call it a "driver" more of a description of the
preferred mode for the monitor ...

https://www.acer.com/ac/en/US/content/support-product/647?b=1

On 04/06/2018 13:41, Andy Burns wrote:
Bob Minchin wrote:

Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

Except 16:9 is standard widescreen, 16:10 is a bit oddball, though not
unheard of.

I suggest 16:10 is anything but oddball, 1920x1200 having been the
resolution of choice for some years for many of those of us who could
not justify 2560x1440 or 2560x1600 monitors. I still have 2 here.
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Bob Minchin wrote:
Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

16:9 is standard widescreen.

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Didn't a driver CD(etc) come with the monitor? Or go to the maker's site
to look for one suitable for your current OS. But if an old monitor, may
no longer be supported.

I've got software here to make a driver for any monitor on this ancient
Acorn. I'd guess someone somewhere has done the same for Windows.

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On 04/06/2018 14:18, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Minchin wrote:
Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

16:9 is standard widescreen.

Although true there are plenty of 16:10 ratio LCD monitors about.

The native resolution of my HP2475w is 1920x1200 means a small letterbox
when it is displaying 16:9

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

How are you drawing the circles? If using Excel then circles are only
circular iff you select a fixed width font - otherwise they get kerned!

Didn't a driver CD(etc) come with the monitor? Or go to the maker's site
to look for one suitable for your current OS. But if an old monitor, may
no longer be supported.

There should be a driver for the monitor but selecting a display with
the same native graphics resolution as the monitor ought to work
(although you might have to tweak aspect ratio if the display has
non-square pixels). The devil is always in the details.

I do see some issue on programs that *assume* a 16:9 display.

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On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:21:21 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:


How are you drawing the circles? If using Excel then circles are only
circular iff you select a fixed width font - otherwise they get kerned!

why would anyone draw circles with excel ?

On 04/06/2018 16:22, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:21:21 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:


How are you drawing the circles? If using Excel then circles are only
circular iff you select a fixed width font - otherwise they get kerned!

why would anyone draw circles with excel ?

Why not? It has the ability to draw shapes. It is just rather haphazard
about the aspect ratio which literally varies with the font chosen.

I had used it to draw a pattern of equilateral triangles in the example
that first caught me out but squares and circles are also mangled.

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On 04/06/2018 16:22, whisky-dave wrote:
On Monday, 4 June 2018 15:21:21 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:


How are you drawing the circles? If using Excel then circles are only
circular iff you select a fixed width font - otherwise they get kerned!

why would anyone draw circles with excel ?

Why not? It has the ability to draw shapes. It is just rather haphazard
about the aspect ratio which literally varies with the font chosen.

I had used it to draw a pattern of equilateral triangles in the example
that first caught me out but squares and circles are also mangled.

I don't understand the circles thing. Circles are made with a line
superimposed on the grid, not characters. On Excel 2003, circles are
not offered, only ovals (which can be made into circles by sizing).
The circles may well be distorted if Excel doesn't understand the
monitor, but where do fonts come in? Do you mean the default font that
would be used for text entries? What if you have different fonts in
differen cells?
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Am 04.06.2018 um 14:28 schrieb Bob Minchin:
Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Graphics are provided by intel Q45/43 chipset and claims to have the
latest drivers.


The monitor works fine under XP which offers 1440 x 900.

The monitor's manual says, its native resolution is 1680 x 1050.

Assuming you use win7 _32bit_ , is your graphics-driver's version newer
than this one?

https://downloadcenter.intel.com/dow...?product=81511

On 04/06/2018 13:28, Bob Minchin wrote:
Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Graphics are provided by intel Q45/43 chipset and claims to have the
latest drivers.
Intel driver website does not help, they have nothing more up to date
Acer tech support say they can't (wont?) help

I've tried a couple of websites that install a scanner and tell you that
all your drivers need updating but when I look down its suggestions
there are no new graphics drivers.

Before you say I need linux, save your typing time. I need it to work
with windows 7 Pro.

The monitor works fine under XP which offers 1440 x 900.

TIA


Have you tried the driver from

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us...-graphics.html

where Intel admit your graphics won't natively do 1680x1050. Note
health warning.

"When using older Intel® graphics products, the native resolution of
some displays, such as 1920x1080, 1680x1050, and 1440x900, is not
available in graphics properties. The extended display information data
(EDID) does not read properly when connecting to a subset of digital
flat panel (DFP) displays.

Intel has drivers to specifically address this issue that can have
longer than normal resume times from standby. This solution only works
with external displays, and does not address issues with a built-in
display. Intel provides these drivers as is, and has not tested, nor
provides warranty, to the operation of the driver for this purpose."

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On 04/06/2018 13:28, Bob Minchin wrote:
Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Is there are option there to turn off "only show resolutions compatible
with my device" or similar?

If that does not hack it, then create your own .inf file for your monitor:

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-monitor-edids

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...-file-sections




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Unfortunately this has been a very long running issue that goes back to the
home computers of the 80s, oval circles seemed to be the order of the day
then. Have you tried tackling it from the other end, getting a cheapo
monitor that is the wayyou want it to be? Brian

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Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Graphics are provided by intel Q45/43 chipset and claims to have the
latest drivers.
Intel driver website does not help, they have nothing more up to date
Acer tech support say they can't (wont?) help

I've tried a couple of websites that install a scanner and tell you that
all your drivers need updating but when I look down its suggestions there
are no new graphics drivers.

Before you say I need linux, save your typing time. I need it to work with
windows 7 Pro.

The monitor works fine under XP which offers 1440 x 900.

TIA
Bob

Brian Gaff wrote:
Unfortunately this has been a very long running issue that goes back to the
home computers of the 80s, oval circles seemed to be the order of the day
then. Have you tried tackling it from the other end, getting a cheapo
monitor that is the wayyou want it to be? Brian

Nice idea Brian but this monitor is on a KVM switch connected to another
PC which drives it perfectly.
I have found the answer which I will now post in the main thread

Bob

Bob Minchin wrote:
Just got a, new to me, Dell optiplex 760 PC with windows 7 Pro

I want to use it with my Acer AL2016W lcd monitor which has an aspect
ratio of 1.6:1 (20" standard widescreen).

None of the resolution options match the ratio I need so when drawing
circles, they come out oval shaped.

Graphics are provided by intel Q45/43 chipset and claims to have the
latest drivers.
Intel driver website does not help, they have nothing more up to date
Acer tech support say they can't (wont?) help

I've tried a couple of websites that install a scanner and tell you that
all your drivers need updating but when I look down its suggestions
there are no new graphics drivers.

Before you say I need linux, save your typing time. I need it to work
with windows 7 Pro.

The monitor works fine under XP which offers 1440 x 900.

TIA
Bob
Thanks for all your inputs Gents

Got partway with some but no cigar until something I googled pointed me
to the control panel where lives "Intel GMA driver"
Opening up that gives options to add your own resolution and refresh
rates. Dire warnings about " are you sure etc" as it does not seem to
check the integrity of the settings that you enter.
Anyway I typed them in, clicked add, restart the machine and then right
clicking on the screen and bingo the new option appears in the menu.
Result.

Hope this might help someone
Bob

On 04/06/18 21:09, Bob Minchin wrote:
Got partway with some but no cigar until something I googled pointed me
to the control panel where lives "Intel GMA driver"
Opening up that gives options to add your own resolution and refresh
rates. Dire warnings about " are you sure etc" as it does not seem to
check the integrity of the settings that you enter.
Anyway I typed them in, clicked add, restart the machine and then right
clicking on the screen and bingo the new option appears in the menu.
Result.

Ah. Just the same as if it had been a linux problem then :-)


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face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

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In article ,
Bob Minchin wrote:
Got partway with some but no cigar until something I googled pointed me
to the control panel where lives "Intel GMA driver"
Opening up that gives options to add your own resolution and refresh
rates. Dire warnings about " are you sure etc" as it does not seem to
check the integrity of the settings that you enter.
Anyway I typed them in, clicked add, restart the machine and then right
clicking on the screen and bingo the new option appears in the menu.
Result.

It's why many peripherals have an installation disc with them. Because
generic MS drivers may not be ideal, or even exist.

Surprised you haven't come across this before.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bob Minchin wrote:
Got partway with some but no cigar until something I googled pointed me
to the control panel where lives "Intel GMA driver"
Opening up that gives options to add your own resolution and refresh
rates. Dire warnings about " are you sure etc" as it does not seem to
check the integrity of the settings that you enter.
Anyway I typed them in, clicked add, restart the machine and then right
clicking on the screen and bingo the new option appears in the menu.
Result.

It's why many peripherals have an installation disc with them. Because
generic MS drivers may not be ideal, or even exist.

Surprised you haven't come across this before.

Never bought a new monitor and my S/H ones have not come with disks and
to date have just worked with XP - my OS of choice. Moving some machines
to win 7 has been the start of the problems.