Michael Chare wrote:

Music copyright lasts for 50 years

70 years since 2013, so only music which was released up to 1963 reached
50 years and became public domain.

Any bets whether it'll get extended to 90 years in about 2032?

On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote:
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

You must have a welcome pack, providing the Wi-Fi password?

I would simply add a statement that in the past BT have made enquiries
regarding illegal downloading of copyright material.

In future if BT, or another third party, is making enquiries of
Copyright infringement that on request the details of guests will be
passed on.

Perhaps some IP address logging on your part might also be an idea?

On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful activity.

Perhaps Aussie law is different?

In article ,
Huge wrote:
On 2018-06-01, Andy Burns wrote:
Michael Chare wrote:

Music copyright lasts for 50 years

70 years since 2013, so only music which was released up to 1963
reached 50 years and became public domain.

Any bets whether it'll get extended to 90 years in about 2032?

Depends who the music industry pays off, I expect.

Or how old Cliff lives to. ;-)

--
*WHY IS THERE AN EXPIRATION DATE ON SOUR CREAM?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Perhaps Aussie law is different?

On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account
the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a commercial
undertaking. If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The
Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Perhaps Aussie law is different?

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On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news
On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account
the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the
life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a commercial
undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic Commerce
(EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Perhaps Aussie law is different?

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On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from
the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account
the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the
life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a commercial
undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic Commerce
(EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out cottages.

Perhaps Aussie law is different?

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"Rod Speed" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
news
On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI
access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it
from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file
that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for
the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come
with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Perhaps Aussie law is different?

Perhaps doesn't Aussie communications don't include W-Fi.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI
access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from
the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file
that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the
life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come with
the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 02/06/2018 06:24, Rod Speed wrote:


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"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI
access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it
from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT
saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music
file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for
the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come
with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

You seem to have a misunderstanding over the word 'free'. Where you rent
a cottage, it does not come with 'free' Wi-Fi, any more than it comes
with free sheets.

Perhaps aussie law defines 'free' differently.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
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"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI
access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it
from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying
my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music file
that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for
the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come
with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

You seem to have a misunderstanding over the word 'free'.

Nope.

Where you rent a cottage, it does not come with 'free' Wi-Fi, any more
than it comes with free sheets.

Irrelevant to where the owner of those cottages
is a communications service provider in the
sense that that particular directive is about.

On 02/06/2018 10:59, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 02/06/2018 10:31, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 02/06/2018 06:24, Rod Speed wrote:


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"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a
WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it
from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT
saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music
file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't
for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out
cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come
with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

You seem to have a misunderstanding over the word 'free'.

Nope.

Where you rent a cottage, it does not come with 'free' Wi-Fi, any more
than it comes with free sheets.

Irrelevant to where the owner of those cottages
is a communications service provider in the
sense that that particular directive is about.

Are you now saying the owner is not providing Wi-Fi as a result of a
guest hiring the cottage?

Are you able to read the Act, its not a directive? Perhaps you're
reading something else?

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news On 02/06/2018 06:24, Rod Speed wrote:


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news On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI
access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it
from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT
saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music
file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for
the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out
cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come
with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

You seem to have a misunderstanding over the word 'free'.

Nope.

Where you rent a cottage, it does not come with 'free' Wi-Fi, any more
than it comes with free sheets.

Irrelevant to where the owner of those cottages
is a communications service provider in the
sense that that particular directive is about.

Are you now saying the owner is not providing Wi-Fi as a result of a guest
hiring the cottage?

Nope, that incidentally including wifi with
the rental of the cottages means that legally
he isnt a provider of communications that
that directive applys to.

Same with all those who choose to allow
their BT router to provide a wifi service to
anyone who BT allows to do that.

Are you able to read the Act, its not a directive?

Yep. Try reading the title.

Perhaps you're reading something else?

Nope.

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news On 02/06/2018 10:31, Rod Speed wrote:


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news On 02/06/2018 06:24, Rod Speed wrote:


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news On 01/06/2018 20:41, Rod Speed wrote:


"Fredxx" wrote in message
news On 31/05/2018 10:33, Rod Speed wrote:


"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a
WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating
it from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT
saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music
file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my
BT account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't
for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out
cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that
come with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

You seem to have a misunderstanding over the word 'free'.

Nope.

Where you rent a cottage, it does not come with 'free' Wi-Fi, any
more than it comes with free sheets.

Irrelevant to where the owner of those cottages
is a communications service provider in the
sense that that particular directive is about.

Are you now saying the owner is not providing Wi-Fi as a result of a
guest hiring the cottage?

Nope, that incidentally including wifi with
the rental of the cottages means that legally
he isnt a provider of communications that
that directive applys to.

Same with all those who choose to allow
their BT router to provide a wifi service to
anyone who BT allows to do that.

Generally that isn't part of some contractual arrangement and is
genuinely free.

Clearly you are unable to understand the difference between 'free' and
paid for.

Are you able to read the Act, its not a directive?

Yep. Try reading the title.

Good, then you will see that it's a UK act that follows the intentions
of EU directive. The directive itself has no force in UK law. Perhaps
that's another critical aspect you don't comprehend.

Perhaps you're reading something else?

Nope.

In article ,
Fredxx wrote:
Same with all those who choose to allow
their BT router to provide a wifi service to
anyone who BT allows to do that.

Generally that isn't part of some contractual arrangement and is
genuinely free.

It's not free. It is only available to other BT customers, so basically
paid for by all of them.

A non BT customer can pay to use it, though.

I'd say it an ideal answer here - if the OP can have that service. His
tenants would have to set it up if not BT customers, so the contract is
between them and BT. But he could pay the fee if he wants to make it
'free'. It's not much for a short time.

--
*Why do we say something is out of whack? What is a whack?

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

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"Jethro_uk" wrote in message
news On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote:

we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a
WIFI access
point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it
from the
rest of my network.

Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT
saying my
internet connection had been used to download a huge music
file that
infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT
account the
details are there

Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't
for the life
of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ?

Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal
ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are.

None.

Can you cite something to backup this assertion?

I thought the opposite was true as per:
The Electronic Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002
Regulation 19 where providers may be sued for known unlawful
activity.

He isnt a provider in that sense.

Does he provide holiday cottages for free, or is it part of a
commercial undertaking.

It isnt the provision of those that that regulation is about.

If on a commercial basis he is a provider as per The Electronic
Commerce (EC Directive) Regulations 2002.

Wrong.

Because that directive covers communications, not renting out
cottages.

Unless the rent is free, the guest is paying for amenities that come
with the occupation of the cottage, like Wi-Fi.

Irrelevant to what that directive covers.

Are you now saying Wi-Fi isn't a 'communication'?

Nope, that that having free wifi doesnt make him
a communications provider in the legal sense that
means he has to comply with that particular directive.

You seem to have a misunderstanding over the word 'free'.

Nope.

Where you rent a cottage, it does not come with 'free' Wi-Fi, any more
than it comes with free sheets.

Irrelevant to where the owner of those cottages
is a communications service provider in the
sense that that particular directive is about.

Are you now saying the owner is not providing Wi-Fi as a result of a
guest hiring the cottage?

Nope, that incidentally including wifi with
the rental of the cottages means that legally
he isnt a provider of communications that
that directive applys to.

Same with all those who choose to allow
their BT router to provide a wifi service to
anyone who BT allows to do that.

Generally that isn't part of some contractual arrangement and is genuinely
free.

Irrelevant to whether that directive applys.

It doesnt with rented out cottages with wifi provided
because what communication is provided is incidental
and not the primary purpose of the contract.

Clearly you are unable to understand the difference between 'free' and
paid for.

That has no relevance to whether that directive is applicable.

Are you able to read the Act, its not a directive?

Yep. Try reading the title.

Good, then you will see that it's a UK act that follows the intentions of
EU directive. The directive itself has no force in UK law. Perhaps that's
another critical aspect you don't comprehend.

The UK act has the same title.

And even if it did apply to those rental cottages,
it does not require that the wifi must be setup so
that it can not be used to illegally download music.

All that directive and act requires is that the
service is secure so that some hacker can't
get access to the renter's data and steal that.

Perhaps you're reading something else?

Nope.

Rod Speed wrote:

Again! :-)

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Chris Green
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