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Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point
provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote:
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew You can't, totally. Installing a transparent web proxy/filter would stop most of it, but it all depends on maintaining, finding, or buying an up to date blacklist. Commercial offerings do this quite well, but not 100%, and cost. There's free ones (one from the mists of time was Dan's Guardian) but I'm nowhere near up to date on what's about. Take a look at IPCop, or consider using pfSense with the captive portal and issuing vouchers so you can tell who has done what. or Provided your BT T&Cs don't forbid operating an open public AP tell them that's what you've done and to **** off (nicely!)? |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
Chris Bartram wrote:
On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew You can't, totally. Installing a transparent web proxy/filter would stop most of it, but it all depends on maintaining, finding, or buying an up to date blacklist. Would it not be simpler to just log *who* has done the download? Then you can pass the buck so to speak. Tim -- Please don't feed the trolls |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
How do they actually know it was an infringement?
If they used a torrent its very hard to prove it. I do know that a number of public hot spots only let you use the thing for browsing and restrict the speed and indeed sometimes force you to log in with a new id every so often. It may well be that BT do not offer any kind of service for those running holiday homes, I do not know. However somebody must do this sort of thing. I know I'm not allowed to share my virgin connection with anyone else on a semi permanent bases, IE to allow a neighbour to use my spare bandwidth. The only other thing I can think of is use a guest log in router and have a contract that any infringement of the law is their responsibility . Brian -- ----- - This newsgroup posting comes to you directly from... The Sofa of Brian Gaff... Blind user, so no pictures please! "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 07:52, Tim+ wrote:
Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew You can't, totally. Installing a transparent web proxy/filter would stop most of it, but it all depends on maintaining, finding, or buying an up to date blacklist. Would it not be simpler to just log *who* has done the download? Then you can pass the buck so to speak. Tim That was whay I suggested pfSense and the captive portal. It's free, the only ballach is having to issue usernames/passwords or vouchers. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Tim+" wrote in message
... Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew You can't, totally. Installing a transparent web proxy/filter would stop most of it, but it all depends on maintaining, finding, or buying an up to date blacklist. Would it not be simpler to just log *who* has done the download? Then you can pass the buck so to speak. Tim Got the time it happened (5 in the morning !) but only my ip address as identifier so can't say which of two sets of guests did it :( But I have my suspicions, and that party left a TV dongle behind and are returning to collect - so an innocent question about the music concerned will be asked !!! Andrew |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote:
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew Change your ISP to one who doesnt police their network so aggressively. -- "What do you think about Gay Marriage?" "I don't." "Don't what?" "Think about Gay Marriage." |
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"Rod Speed" wrote in message ...
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 08:31, Andrew Mawson wrote:
"Rod Speed"* wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew He's suggesting you tunnel all of the traffic from that AP over a VPN so that it exits outside BTs network. As the traffic runnimg over BTs network is encrypted, they wouldn't be able to see it. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, "Andrew Mawson"
wrote: Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Here (Germany), the usual procedure is to pass the buck to the tenant/guest via legal boilerplate. They sign that they won't download illegally, and will be held liable if they do. This you can then pass on to those alleging a copyright violation, and the then need to show which of the guests is in violation. Don't see how you could get a 100% secure technical solution without limiting the WiFi so much that it becomes tiresome to use. Thomas Prufer |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
In message , Andrew Mawson
writes "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew, Virtual Private Network, like this : https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ Will cost you around 30 pounds per annum, and your ISP will not see whatever is being downloaded. However, it will leave your guests free to download anything, which may not be ideal from the point of view of your bandwidth, and the content. OK if just music and ordinary films, but not so good if a guest starts searching for the sort of stuff you would not want associated with your account, which could be traced even with a VPN running. -- Graeme |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 08:35, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 31/05/2018 08:31, Andrew Mawson wrote: "Rod Speed"* wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew He's suggesting you tunnel all of the traffic from that AP over a VPN so that it exits outside BTs network. As the traffic runnimg over BTs network is encrypted, they wouldn't be able to see it. A cursory thought suggests this wont work however. You need an endpoint for the VPN with public internet access.. -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 08:52, Graeme wrote:
In message , Andrew Mawson writes "Rod Speed"* wrote in message ... Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew, Virtual Private Network, like this : https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ Will cost you around 30 pounds per annum, and your ISP will not see whatever is being downloaded.* However, it will leave your guests free to download anything, which may not be ideal from the point of view of your bandwidth, and the content.* OK if just music and ordinary films, but not so good if a guest starts searching for the sort of stuff you would not want associated with your account, which could be traced even with a VPN running. Ah, my cursory thought was correct, but this is the solution to needing and endpoint on the internet. Use someone else to supply one as a paid service! Of course that avods BTs deep packet stuff but leaves a question of trust with the VPN supplier which WILL know who you are.. -- The theory of Communism may be summed up in one sentence: Abolish all private property. Karl Marx |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 08:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/05/18 08:35, Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 08:31, Andrew Mawson wrote: "Rod Speed"* wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew He's suggesting you tunnel all of the traffic from that AP over a VPN so that it exits outside BTs network. As the traffic runnimg over BTs network is encrypted, they wouldn't be able to see it. A cursory thought suggests this wont work however. You need an endpoint for the VPN with public internet access.. I think you can subscribe to services that allow that. Sounds like a PITA to set up though. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote:
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew For next time, you could look at: https://business.bt.com/guest-wifi/ which would provide a clean separation of responsibility. Today it was a minor issue of copyright. Tomorrow it could be something highly illegal. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 09:16, Chris Bartram wrote:
On 31/05/2018 08:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 31/05/18 08:35, Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 08:31, Andrew Mawson wrote: "Rod Speed"* wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew He's suggesting you tunnel all of the traffic from that AP over a VPN so that it exits outside BTs network. As the traffic runnimg over BTs network is encrypted, they wouldn't be able to see it. A cursory thought suggests this wont work however. You need an endpoint for the VPN with public internet access.. I think you can subscribe to services that allow that. Sounds like a PITA to set up though. A lot of routers will do that fairly easily. -- A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On Thu, 31 May 2018 07:47:08 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk wrote:
Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are. Yep, starting with does your BT 'net connection account allow the use by *paying* guests/third parties. Are you effectively "reselling", even if you don't specifically make a charge for the Wifi access? Also see if you can register with BT as an "communications provider" rather than as a "subscriber": https://aa.net.uk/legal-cp.html That is quite old, things may have changed, but it does contain references to the legislation so you could have a dig about to see if there have been any changes. -- Cheers Dave. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! If you run a decent vpn, the isp can't see what any guest does. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 10:23, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:44:14 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: On 31/05/18 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew For next time, you could look at: https://business.bt.com/guest-wifi/ which would provide a clean separation of responsibility. Today it was a minor issue of copyright. Tomorrow it could be something highly illegal. Surely legality/illegality is a binary state ? Yes, but there is tort and there is criminal law. -- I would rather have questions that cannot be answered... ....than to have answers that cannot be questioned Richard Feynman |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Jethro_uk" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Personally, before wasting a penny, I'd pop over to a legal ng, and establish what - if any - your obligations are. None. AFAIAA there's no UK law (nor will there be one for a few years) which makes the *account holder* responsible for 3rd party activity on their account. If there was, it would be right next to the laws which make DIY shops responsible for crimes committed with knives they have sold. As long as you are not advertising your WiFi as "available for piracy" (and even then, I suspect it would not be a clear cut case) then there's not a lot anyone can do. Of course your ISP contract might suggest otherwise. There in no contract in that sense. But that's a civil matter. Maybe ensuring your connection is free from any deep packet inspection ? Or move ISPs. Or use a vpn. |
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"Thomas Prufer" wrote in message ... On Thu, 31 May 2018 06:58:54 +0100, "Andrew Mawson" wrote: Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Here (Germany), the usual procedure is to pass the buck to the tenant/guest via legal boilerplate. They sign that they won't download illegally, and will be held liable if they do. This you can then pass on to those alleging a copyright violation, and the then need to show which of the guests is in violation. Don't see how you could get a 100% secure technical solution without limiting the WiFi so much that it becomes tiresome to use. That isnt the case with a vpn. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Graeme" wrote in message ... In message , Andrew Mawson writes "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew, Virtual Private Network, like this : https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ Will cost you around 30 pounds per annum, and your ISP will not see whatever is being downloaded. However, it will leave your guests free to download anything, which may not be ideal from the point of view of your bandwidth, and the content. OK if just music and ordinary films, but not so good if a guest starts searching for the sort of stuff you would not want associated with your account, which could be traced even with a VPN running. Not with the best vpns and there are plenty of ways to test how good your vpn is. And ultimately it doesn't matter what a guest does, that's their problem, not yours. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 31/05/18 08:35, Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 08:31, Andrew Mawson wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew He's suggesting you tunnel all of the traffic from that AP over a VPN so that it exits outside BTs network. As the traffic runnimg over BTs network is encrypted, they wouldn't be able to see it. A cursory thought suggests this wont work however. Corse it does. You need an endpoint for the VPN with public internet access.. Nope. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message ... On 31/05/18 08:52, Graeme wrote: In message , Andrew Mawson writes "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew, Virtual Private Network, like this : https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/ Will cost you around 30 pounds per annum, and your ISP will not see whatever is being downloaded. However, it will leave your guests free to download anything, which may not be ideal from the point of view of your bandwidth, and the content. OK if just music and ordinary films, but not so good if a guest starts searching for the sort of stuff you would not want associated with your account, which could be traced even with a VPN running. Ah, my cursory thought was correct, but this is the solution to needing and endpoint on the internet. Use someone else to supply one as a paid service! Of course that avods BTs deep packet stuff but leaves a question of trust with the VPN supplier which WILL know who you are.. Doesnt matter. They dont care what you do over the vpn. |
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 08:45:48 -0000 (UTC), Jethro_uk
wrote: But is the account holder held liable for what other people do on their connection ? Ask two lawyers, get three answers... AFAIK, a private WIFI left wholly open makes one liable, a commercial one not (as in a public WFI in a cafe). A private Wifi reasonably protected, with several people accessing the Wifi, places the burden of proof on the copyright holder to show which of the several parties infringed. The account holder is not liable for the actions of any or all those accessing (other than their own actions), but is liable for failing to restrict that access. AIUI... but I Am Not A Lawyer. Thomas Prufer |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
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Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Think that's where BT wi-fi + fone comes in. If you are a BT subscriber free to use at any access point. Non BT subscribers can pay to join. If you paid that fee for them, you'd still have the benefit of limited total downloads. -- *IF A TURTLE DOESN'T HAVE A SHELL, IS HE HOMELESS OR NAKED? Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/18 10:23, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:44:14 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: On 31/05/18 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew For next time, you could look at: https://business.bt.com/guest-wifi/ which would provide a clean separation of responsibility. Today it was a minor issue of copyright. Tomorrow it could be something highly illegal. Surely legality/illegality is a binary state ? Would you rather have a copyright complaint or the Police kicking your door down for something highly illegal like a terrorist plotting something using your network? It's not remotely binary. |
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On 31/05/18 10:42, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 31/05/18 09:45, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:48:16 +0200, Thomas Prufer wrote: Here (Germany), the usual procedure is to pass the buck to the tenant/guest via legal boilerplate. But is the account holder held liable for what other people do on their connection ? In the UK, caselaw suggests not. Its the old 'common carrier' stuff. Is a telephone company responsible for a criminal coinspiracy organised over their telephone system? Therein lies the problem - if you attempt to "regulate" your network with proxies, the more you might be deemed responsible for content passing through it. Much better to have either a separate line/ISP account or use one of the BT "Customer Wifi" options - then one can strongly defend oneself against any dodgy activity which is much harder if it's all passed through your own ISP connection with a single public IP associated with it. |
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On Thu, 31 May 2018 12:23:55 +0100, Tim Watts wrote:
On 31/05/18 10:23, Jethro_uk wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2018 09:44:14 +0100, Tim Watts wrote: On 31/05/18 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew For next time, you could look at: https://business.bt.com/guest-wifi/ which would provide a clean separation of responsibility. Today it was a minor issue of copyright. Tomorrow it could be something highly illegal. Surely legality/illegality is a binary state ? Would you rather have a copyright complaint or the Police kicking your door down for something highly illegal like a terrorist plotting something using your network? It's not remotely binary. Although... binaries might also result in the police kicking down your door. -- Peter. The gods will stay away whilst religions hold sway |
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"Andrew Mawson" Wrote in
message: "Tim+" wrote in message ... Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew You can't, totally. Installing a transparent web proxy/filter would stop most of it, but it all depends on maintaining, finding, or buying an up to date blacklist. Would it not be simpler to just log *who* has done the download? Then you can ?pass the buck? so to speak. Tim Got the time it happened (5 in the morning !) but only my ip address as identifier so can't say which of two sets of guests did it :( But I have my suspicions, and that party left a TV dongle behind and are returning to collect - so an innocent question about the music concerned will be asked !!! Is there any point? Did you point out in advance that they shouldn't do this? Are they likely to confess if they know it's illegal? Tim -- |
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On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote:
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew You could ask BT exactly what file was downloaded? If BT cause trouble you could move to a better supplier. I am not sure how you can be held what others do without telling you. You could mention what BT have said in your notes for guests. Music copyright lasts for 50 years so much of the music from the 60s is no longer covered. -- Michael Chare |
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On 31/05/2018 15:55, Michael Chare wrote:
Music copyright lasts for 50 years so much of the music from the 60s is no longer covered. ITYWF that for *published* recordings it's now 70 years (following an EU Directive passed in 2011). -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
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"Robin" wrote in message
... On 31/05/2018 15:55, Michael Chare wrote: Music copyright lasts for 50 years so much of the music from the 60s is no longer covered. ITYWF that for *published* recordings it's now 70 years (following an EU Directive passed in 2011). Is copyright on Crown Copyright publications (eg OS maps) still 50 years? The latest out-of-copyright maps I've seen on the excellent National Library of Scotland site seem to be from the late 50s or early 60s. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote:
we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew BT are a member of a scheme that uses their users routers to provide public wifi. If you use that then BT are responsible for what's downloaded and you get free access to all the others. If the guests are members they get free access otherwise they can buy time from BT. I don't recall what they call it. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 18:06, NY wrote:
"Robin" wrote in message ... On 31/05/2018 15:55, Michael Chare wrote: Music copyright lasts for 50 years so much of the music from the 60s is no longer covered. ITYWF that for *published* recordings it's now 70 years (following an EU Directive passed in 2011). Is copyright on Crown Copyright publications (eg OS maps) still 50 years? The latest out-of-copyright maps I've seen on the excellent National Library of Scotland site seem to be from the late 50s or early 60s. I am sure I can find Counsel who will write you an opinion on that with lots of references if you can arrange for me to have a modest (by counsels' standards) number of guineas. In the meantime the best I can offer is http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/d...-flowchart.pdf Don't blame me if it turns out to be wrong or leads you to the wrong answer: as usual, Humpty Dumpty may have dictated the meaning of some words. -- Robin reply-to address is (intended to be) valid |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
On 31/05/2018 18:52, dennis@home wrote:
On 31/05/2018 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew BT are a member of a scheme that uses their users routers to provide public wifi. If you use that then BT are responsible for what's downloaded and you get free access to all the others. If the guests are members they get free access otherwise they can buy time from BT. I don't recall what they call it. from the bt site... Since March 2009 all new BT Broadband customers are automatically members of BT Wi-fi. Youll need confirmation of your broadband order and to set up a BT ID There's no need to wait for your broadband to be installed. You can start using our BT Wi-fi hotspots as soon as you receive your order confirmation. If you've opted out, or got BT Broadband before March 2009, you can join BT Wi-fi at www.bt.com/btwifi Click on Register for BT Wi-fi (if youre not sure if youre registered or not, click on Check my status to get details of your account) You'll need your BT ID or your @btinternet.com (or @btopenworld.com) email address, which acts as your username, plus your email address password. Once youve registered for BT Wi-fi youll be able to use the BT Wi-fi hotspots within a couple of hours. Your BT Hub will be set up so that other members can use it as a hotspot within a couple of days. If it hasn't been, and you need your Hub enabled urgently, you can call us on 0800 022 3322. If you're not a member of BT Wi-fi you can buy a voucher to access the internet from a BT Wi-fi hotspot in advance. Alternatively, when you're out and about and want to connect, simply scan for wi-fi signals. If you're in range of a hotspot and attempt to connect, you'll be directed to the BT Wi-fi landing page, where you can buy passes from as little as £4. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Chris Bartram" wrote in message ... On 31/05/2018 08:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote: On 31/05/18 08:35, Chris Bartram wrote: On 31/05/2018 08:31, Andrew Mawson wrote: "Rod Speed" wrote in message ... "Andrew Mawson" wrote in message ... we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Run a vpn permanently, then whatever the guests do wont be seen by BT. Please explain Rod - me no understandee ! Andrew He's suggesting you tunnel all of the traffic from that AP over a VPN so that it exits outside BTs network. As the traffic runnimg over BTs network is encrypted, they wouldn't be able to see it. A cursory thought suggests this wont work however. You need an endpoint for the VPN with public internet access.. I think you can subscribe to services that allow that. Corse you can and it isnt expensive either. Sounds like a PITA to set up though. Nope, completely trivial in fact. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
"Tim Watts" wrote in message ... On 31/05/18 06:58, Andrew Mawson wrote: we have two holiday cottages on the farm, and there is a WIFI access point provided for their use which is on a VLAN isolating it from the rest of my network. Never had problems, but yesterday i got an email from BT saying my internet connection had been used to download a huge music file that infringed copyright. Email is genuine as logging into my BT account the details are there Wasn't me so it must have been one of the guests. i can't for the life of me think how i can prevent this, any suggestions ? Andrew For next time, you could look at: https://business.bt.com/guest-wifi/ which would provide a clean separation of responsibility. Today it was a minor issue of copyright. Tomorrow it could be something highly illegal. Doesnt matter, they still have to prove who did the highly illegal and when the guests in those houses have wifi available, they wont be able to prove who actually did it. |
Preventing Wifi download copyright infringements
Thomas Prufer wrote
Jethro_uk wrote But is the account holder held liable for what other people do on their connection ? Ask two lawyers, get three answers... AFAIK, a private WIFI left wholly open makes one liable, Nope, the only one liable is the one that does the crime. a commercial one not (as in a public WFI in a cafe). There is no legal distinction between those. A private Wifi reasonably protected, with several people accessing the Wifi, places the burden of proof on the copyright holder to show which of the several parties infringed. Just as true of a wifi that is completely open and free to be used by anyone. The account holder is not liable for the actions of any or all those accessing (other than their own actions), but is liable for failing to restrict that access. There is no legal requirement to restrict access. AIUI... but I Am Not A Lawyer. That's obvious. |
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