My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

Bill

"Bill Wright" wrote in message
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My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years old
and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off.

Thats mad.

So I won't be buying any more Clarke items.

Bill Wright Wrote in message:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

Bill


Seems they haven't upped their game. They've had several drubbings
on here for sh1te customer service.

Wonder how they're doing financially in the modern Amazonian age?
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On Tue, 29 May 2018 22:21:29 +0100, Jim K wrote:

Seems they haven't upped their game. They've had several drubbings
on here for sh1te customer service.

Wonder how they're doing financially in the modern Amazonian age?

Riveters these days typically don't seem to last 5m unless you pay £££££££
£££££ for something fancy.



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On Tuesday, 29 May 2018 22:01:41 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

Bill

it's why most of us don't buy from MM unless out of other options.


NT

On 30/05/2018 01:10, wrote:
On Tuesday, 29 May 2018 22:01:41 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

Bill

it's why most of us don't buy from MM unless out of other options.


NT


+1, that said *some* of their stuff is OK. And it is sometimes useful to
be able to handle and rummage through their bits.

I forget where my lazy tongs came from, it was certainly not super
expensive and has behaved faultlessly for decades.

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On Wed, 30 May 2018 09:27:16 +0100, newshound
wrote:

On 30/05/2018 01:10, wrote:
On Tuesday, 29 May 2018 22:01:41 UTC+1, Bill Wright wrote:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

Bill

it's why most of us don't buy from MM unless out of other options.


NT


+1, that said *some* of their stuff is OK.

Agreed, especially when on a special etc where the 'Clarke' branded
stuff is the similar price to the non branded clones found elsewhere.

If you buy something that is mostly 'passive' (just a big casting /
basic lump of metal, like my bench grinder floor stand) then you can't
really go wrong but with my metal cutting band saw, the machine was
let down by cr*p bearings (all replaced with quality versions and has
been fine ever since).

And it is sometimes useful to
be able to handle and rummage through their bits.

Too dangerous for me ... too many things that weren't on my shopping
list. ;-(

I forget where my lazy tongs came from, it was certainly not super
expensive and has behaved faultlessly for decades.

If we are talking of the riveter, unless I knew I would only be using
it lightly or for the lower end of it's advertised range, that might
be the sort of thing I would look for in a 'better' brand. The reason
is that the pivots / rivets might be weak (hollow tin) or gripping
jaws not well hardened etc?

Cheers, T i m

In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break than a
lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so easily.

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On 30/05/2018 13:04, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break than a
lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so easily.

Gearing.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Bill Wright wrote:
My CHT132 lazy tongs riveter broke yesterday. It's not quite two years
old and has only done 200 rivets. I emailed Clarke for spare parts
availability. Here's part of the reply:

"Good Morning,
We are sorry to hear of the experience you have had with your riveter.
Unfortunately we do not have any replacement jaws in stock, We are
awaiting for jaws to come into our stock."

No indication of when, but I suspect I'm just being fobbed off. So I
won't be buying any more Clarke items.

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type?

Much easier to use with the bigger rivets.

Far more bits to break than a lever one.

Yes, but they hardly ever fail, its usually the jaws that fail.

And not going to fit into a confined space so easily.

Yes, but quite a bit of the time access isnt a problem.

Yes, you really need both, but the lazy tongs ones
are much better for the bigger rivets for ladders etc.

On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break
than a lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so
easily.

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a concertina
riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that each in-out
action gets a lot more work done.

On Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:47:21 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break
than a lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so
easily.

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a concertina
riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that each in-out
action gets a lot more work done.

it gets exactly the same work done


NT

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On Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:47:21 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break
than a lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so
easily.

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a concertina
riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that each in-out
action gets a lot more work done.

it gets exactly the same work done

Not when you can get a lot more rivets set in a hour etc.

On Friday, 1 June 2018 04:01:45 UTC+1, Sam wrote:
tabbypurr wrote in message
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On Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:47:21 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break
than a lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so
easily.

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a concertina
riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that each in-out
action gets a lot more work done.

it gets exactly the same work done

Not when you can get a lot more rivets set in a hour etc.

No, it does the same work in all cases. But yes humans can cope better with the lower forces on the hand, so more can be done.


NT

On Friday, 1 June 2018 01:19:32 UTC+1, wrote:
On Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:47:21 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break
than a lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so
easily.

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a concertina
riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that each in-out
action gets a lot more work done.

it gets exactly the same work done

I remmeber from physics something about Mechanical advantage divided by velocity ratio multiplied by 100/1 gives the efficiency.
well I remmebred if for the exams anyway.



NT

On Thu, 31 May 2018 17:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
wrote:

On Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:47:21 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

[...]

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a
concertina riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that
each in-out action gets a lot more work done.

it gets exactly the same work done

Not per stroke.

On Friday, 1 June 2018 22:15:32 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Thu, 31 May 2018 17:19:29 -0700 (PDT)
tabbypurr wrote:
On Thursday, 31 May 2018 23:47:21 UTC+1, Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

[...]

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a
concertina riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that
each in-out action gets a lot more work done.

it gets exactly the same work done

Not per stroke.

Of course it does, it's elementary physics. The rivetter's output is identical to the plier type, same amount of force over same distance.


NT

In article 20180531234719.015c9f4a@Mars,
Rob Morley wrote:
On Wed, 30 May 2018 13:04:54 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

What's the advantage of the lazy tong type? Far more bits to break
than a lever one. And not going to fit into a confined space so
easily.

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a concertina
riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that each in-out
action gets a lot more work done.

Yes - I'd sort of guessed that. But can't say I've found the effort needed
with my lever one excessive.

It's the physical size of the tongs type I'd find a problem with for much
of the things I use pop rivets for.

What's probably needed is an electric one at a good price.

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On Fri, 01 Jun 2018 10:22:38 +0100
"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote:

In article 20180531234719.015c9f4a@Mars,
Rob Morley wrote:

Mechanical advantage - think how far the handle moves on a
concertina riveter compared to the pliers type and you'll see that
each in-out action gets a lot more work done.

Yes - I'd sort of guessed that. But can't say I've found the effort
needed with my lever one excessive.

It's not much for the odd couple of rivets but when I've done more
than a few my wrist started to seize up (carpal tunnel?).

It's the physical size of the tongs type I'd find a problem with for
much of the things I use pop rivets for.

That's certainly a factor in favour of the small ones.

What's probably needed is an electric one at a good price.

You can get blind rivet attachments for cordless screwdrivers, or
dedicated mains or rechargeable riveters, but I think I'd go with
pneumatic if I had a lot to do.