Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?

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Oliver

On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?


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Cheers,

John.

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On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector.Â* Any good suggestions?
I have an older PVR without HDMI connected to a new TV without Scart
using a Neotec SCART to HDMI converter and it works well.

I know Neotec make converters the other way round.

Mike

John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?



Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally Id
get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Tim

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On 24/05/2018 16:17, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?



Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally Id
get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Component[1] inputs will often support progressive scan and higher
resolutions, so you might be ok. The TV itself can do 1080i I belive
from looking at the spec briefly.

[1] Not to be confused with Composite inputs (aka CVBS)


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Cheers,

John.

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In article ,
Muddymike wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?
I have an older PVR without HDMI connected to a new TV without Scart
using a Neotec SCART to HDMI converter and it works well.

I know Neotec make converters the other way round.

SCART doesn't support HD, which may or may not matter.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 16:17, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?



Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally Id
get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Component[1] inputs will often support progressive scan and higher
resolutions, so you might be ok. The TV itself can do 1080i I belive
from looking at the spec briefly.

But I thought that the whole point of HDMI was end to end encryption of the
HD signal (to stop piracy). Any signal that can be extracted is going to be
non-HD.

Of course technology moves on and maybe there are devices that can get
around this.

Tim

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Please don't feed the trolls

Tim+ wrote:

Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally Id
get with the times and invest in a new TV.

Ditto, the sheds seem to be stuffed full of 65" 3840x2160 OLED TVs ready
for football fans to empty their wallets, bound to be some of last years
1920x1080 LCD sets they want to get shot of hiding at the back ...

On 24/05/2018 17:14, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:40:21 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 16:17, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their
new Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have
an HDMI connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?



Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally
Id get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Component[1] inputs will often support progressive scan and higher
resolutions, so you might be ok. The TV itself can do 1080i I belive
from looking at the spec briefly.

But I thought that the whole point of HDMI was end to end encryption of
the HD signal (to stop piracy). Any signal that can be extracted is
going to be non-HD.

I thought that never got implemented ? Like the clipper chip ?


Of course technology moves on and maybe there are devices that can get
around this.

If it had been implemented, of course. IIRC one of the reasons of non-
implementation of the clipper chip (apart from the stupidity of the idea)
was that workarounds were available before the chip was.

Generally the signal remains encrypted end to end or only a degraded
version is available. However, I am pretty sure that there are some
devices available that remove the encryption without degrading the
quality - intended to allow gamers to record HD gameplay.

SteveW

On 24/05/2018 16:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Muddymike wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?
I have an older PVR without HDMI connected to a new TV without Scart
using a Neotec SCART to HDMI converter and it works well.

I know Neotec make converters the other way round.

SCART doesn't support HD, which may or may not matter.

Thanks to all for various comments and suggestions. I've ordered one of
these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neoteck-Aluminum-Converter-Adapter-Composite-Blue/dp/B07591V4FR/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8


--
Oliver

On 24/05/2018 16:40, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 16:17, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?



Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally Id
get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Component[1] inputs will often support progressive scan and higher
resolutions, so you might be ok. The TV itself can do 1080i I belive
from looking at the spec briefly.

But I thought that the whole point of HDMI was end to end encryption of the
HD signal (to stop piracy). Any signal that can be extracted is going to be
non-HD.

That's HDCP rather than HDMI as such. However there are a number of ways
round that - many HDMI splitters and conversion boxes don't fully play
by the rules. There are also HDMI capture cards some may also defeat HDCP.

(not all content over HDMI will use HDCP)



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Cheers,

John.

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On 24/05/2018 23:03, Oliver wrote:
On 24/05/2018 16:31, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Muddymike wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their new
Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have an HDMI
connector. Any good suggestions?
I have an older PVR without HDMI connected to a new TV without Scart
using a Neotec SCART to HDMI converter and it works well.

I know Neotec make converters the other way round.

SCART doesn't support HD, which may or may not matter.

Thanks to all for various comments and suggestions. I've ordered one of
these:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Neoteck-Aluminum-Converter-Adapter-Composite-Blue/dp/B07591V4FR/ref=cm_cr_arp_d_product_top?ie=UTF8

That definitely will drop the output to SD, but is pretty likely to work
with any old kit.


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Cheers,

John.

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On 24/05/2018 17:14, Jethro_uk wrote:
On Thu, 24 May 2018 15:40:21 +0000, Tim+ wrote:

John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 16:17, Tim+ wrote:
John Rumm wrote:
On 24/05/2018 14:53, Oliver wrote:
Virgin Media support is driving me crazy. I want to connect their
new Tivo 6 box to an older tv (Sony KE-P37XSI) which does not have
an HDMI connector. Any good suggestions?

A HDMI to component video conversion box would probably be your only
option... Worth a tenner from ebay etc to give it a try and find out?



Presumably youd lose the HD aspect of the signal though? Personally
Id get with the times and invest in a new TV. ;-)

Component[1] inputs will often support progressive scan and higher
resolutions, so you might be ok. The TV itself can do 1080i I belive
from looking at the spec briefly.

But I thought that the whole point of HDMI was end to end encryption of
the HD signal (to stop piracy). Any signal that can be extracted is
going to be non-HD.

I thought that never got implemented ? Like the clipper chip ?


Of course technology moves on and maybe there are devices that can get
around this.

If it had been implemented, of course. IIRC one of the reasons of non-
implementation of the clipper chip (apart from the stupidity of the idea)
was that workarounds were available before the chip was.


Copy protection is implemented on HDMI (HDCP).
The virgin box just won't output anything if the other end doesn't
negotiate the correct signal.

You can copy HDMI from things like a playstation, however its unclear
that they are protected in the first place. Why would they copy protect
you playing a game?
So these devices may or may not copy a film or TV coming from a virgin box.