My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?

On Monday, 14 May 2018 22:59:37 UTC+1, wrote:
My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?

Otherwise when a diferent pump runs, water will bkacflow through the DHW circuit. Which is actually not an issue, but the CH circuits do need an NRV otherwise DHW heating would heat the rads in summer at reduced flow.


NT

On 15/05/2018 04:20, wrote:
On Monday, 14 May 2018 22:59:37 UTC+1, wrote:
My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?

Otherwise when a diferent pump runs, water will bkacflow through the DHW circuit. Which is actually not an issue, but the CH circuits do need an NRV otherwise DHW heating would heat the rads in summer at reduced flow.


NT

I think we're at crossed purposes. I'm talking about a *secondary* (i.e.
hot water to the taps) circulation pump that returns the water from the
furthest tap to a tapping about a quarter of the way down the cylinder.

On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 10:36:06 UTC+1, wrote:
On 15/05/2018 04:20, tabbypurr wrote:
On Monday, 14 May 2018 22:59:37 UTC+1, wrote:

My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?

Otherwise when a diferent pump runs, water will bkacflow through the DHW circuit. Which is actually not an issue, but the CH circuits do need an NRV otherwise DHW heating would heat the rads in summer at reduced flow.


NT

I think we're at crossed purposes. I'm talking about a *secondary* (i.e.
hot water to the taps) circulation pump that returns the water from the
furthest tap to a tapping about a quarter of the way down the cylinder.

Ah. I can't think of any point to an NRV there. Unless someone thought gravity circulation might happen, which would result in pipe water being below legionella safe temp for hours every day.


NT

On 14/05/2018 22:59, wrote:
My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?


Its presumably there to prevent gravity circulation resulting in the
water in the cylinder bleeding heat into the tap circuit when its not
required. (assuming the secondary pump is on a timer or has some other
mechanism to stop it running 24 hours a day)

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On 15/05/2018 17:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 14/05/2018 22:59, wrote:
My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?


Its presumably there to prevent gravity circulation resulting in the
water in the cylinder bleeding heat into the tap circuit when its not
required. (assuming the secondary pump is on a timer or has some other
mechanism to stop it running 24 hours a day)

Hmmm, maybe, but the NRV prevents flow out of the circulation return
tapping on the cylinder. For water to convect that way wouldn't it be
necessary for the temperature at the tapping to be higher than at the
top of the cylinder?

On Tuesday, 15 May 2018 19:52:05 UTC+1, wrote:
On 15/05/2018 17:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 14/05/2018 22:59, wrote:

My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?


Its presumably there to prevent gravity circulation resulting in the
water in the cylinder bleeding heat into the tap circuit when its not
required. (assuming the secondary pump is on a timer or has some other
mechanism to stop it running 24 hours a day)

Hmmm, maybe, but the NRV prevents flow out of the circulation return
tapping on the cylinder. For water to convect that way wouldn't it be
necessary for the temperature at the tapping to be higher than at the
top of the cylinder?

maybe it wasn't thought through that far.


NT

On 14/05/2018 22:59, wrote:
My secondary hot water circulation is quite noisy and I suspect the NRV
might be rattling - leads me to wonder why there needs to be an NRV in
the return line, before the pump ...?


Worcester-Bosch have just replied to the same question: "The NRV
prevents the formation of a "pocket" of stagnant water at the top of the
cylinder by guaranteeing flow out of the top of the cylinder only. This
prevents stratification and potential legionella growth by allowing flow
through the full body of the cylinder." This sounds sufficiently
plausible that I will replace the NRV rather than just removing it.