On 24/03/2018 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

There also seems to be quite a variation in what classifications of
stuff each bin will take. Our recyclables bin is quite flexible - glass,
plastic, card, paper, tins etc. It now takes the bulk of the stuff that
gets put out. (when the scheme first started they could not handle
things like window envelopes, but now apparently those are ok as well).


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On 24/03/2018 16:32, John Rumm wrote:
The only snag is, I could probably
fill it half a dozen times just with grass clippings!

Grass clippings will compact to a least a sixth of the volume by
themselves within a few days in the summer.

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On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out as
they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from his
insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my council
does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****

--
Adam

On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out
as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from
his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****


I feel your frustration.

On 24/03/2018 17:47, Richard wrote:
On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out
as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from
his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****


I feel your frustration.

But it's not going to be long before I am allowed to/will do is it?

--
Adam

On 3/24/2018 12:39 PM, John Rumm wrote:

There also seems to be quite a variation in what classifications of
stuff each bin will take. Our recyclables bin is quite flexible - glass,
plastic, card, paper, tins etc. It now takes the bulk of the stuff that
gets put out. (when the scheme first started they could not handle
things like window envelopes, but now apparently those are ok as well).

We have just two bins - one for landfill, the other for paper, tins, and
plastic. Alternate week pickup.

Most other stuff has to be taken to the local recycling place.
The council will pick up a maximum of three large items, booked and paid
in advance - freezers, furniture, etc. Last time I used that service it
cost about GBP17.

No garden waste bins, but it's a rural area and most people have compost
bins/piles.

On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out
as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from
his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****

That denis can fill a waste bin with food waste very week implies a huge
wastage


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diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential
survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations
into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with
what it actually is.

On 24/03/18 18:42, S Viemeister wrote:
On 3/24/2018 12:39 PM, John Rumm wrote:

There also seems to be quite a variation in what classifications of
stuff each bin will take. Our recyclables bin is quite flexible -
glass, plastic, card, paper, tins etc. It now takes the bulk of the
stuff that gets put out. (when the scheme first started they could not
handle things like window envelopes, but now apparently those are ok
as well).

We have just two bins - one for landfill, the other for paper, tins, and
plastic. Alternate week pickup.

Most other stuff has to be taken to the local recycling place.
The council will pick up a maximum of three large items, booked and paid
in advance - freezers, furniture, etc. Last time I used that service it
cost about GBP17.

No garden waste bins, but it's a rural area and most people have compost
bins/piles.


Bins preferred. Piles are a pain in the arse.

On 24/03/2018 18:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out
as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from
his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****

That denis can fill a waste bin with food waste very week implies a huge
wastage


TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

On 24/03/2018 12:21, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 12:10:16 +0000, soup wrote:

On 24/03/2018 10:59, Andrew wrote:
On 23/03/2018 13:46, Steve Walker wrote:
On 23/03/2018 10:45, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

The recycling bin goes out every two weeks

At the moment we get weekly collections of both wheelie bins (I
choose to put them out less frequently) but I gather the collections
are due to alternate between recycling and rubbish later this year
... might bother larger households.

If it is anything like where we are, they'll have a system to cope
with larger housholds.

Our normal system is:

Green bin, 240l - food waste (plus garden waste if you pay an extra
£40 a year) - collected weekly.

Grey bin, 120l - non-recyclable waste - collected fortnightly.

Blue bin, 240l - carboard and paper - collected monthly.

Black bin, 240l - plastic bottles, tins, cans and glass bottles -
collected monthly.

Leading to the green bin, plus one other, being collected every week.

For households with 5 or more residents, a 240l grey bin can be
requested instead of the 120l one. Additional blue and black bins can
also be requested.

What sort of people discard 240 litres of food waste every week ?.

No idea, but SteveW was talking about a 240l grey bin,I.E non recyclable
(landfill)

Grey NOT green

He also mentions a 240l green bin for food waste, but if he'd read it
properly, he'd have seen it was optionally for garden waste as well.

Mea culpa, didn't read it properly .
Saw the comment about 240l of food waste and the "five or more.." bit
and typed, didn't look properly. Sorry all.

On 24/03/2018 19:16, Richard wrote:
On 24/03/18 18:42, S Viemeister wrote:
On 3/24/2018 12:39 PM, John Rumm wrote:

There also seems to be quite a variation in what classifications of
stuff each bin will take. Our recyclables bin is quite flexible -
glass, plastic, card, paper, tins etc. It now takes the bulk of the
stuff that gets put out. (when the scheme first started they could
not handle things like window envelopes, but now apparently those are
ok as well).

We have just two bins - one for landfill, the other for paper, tins,
and plastic. Alternate week pickup.

Most other stuff has to be taken to the local recycling place.
The council will pick up a maximum of three large items, booked and
paid in advance - freezers, furniture, etc. Last time I used that
service it cost about GBP17.

No garden waste bins, but it's a rural area and most people have
compost bins/piles.


Bins preferred. Piles are a pain in the arse.

Hee bloody haw. :O)

On 24/03/18 22:37, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , "dennis@home" wrote:

On 24/03/2018 18:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.

Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased
out as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.

Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart
from his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.

TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****

That denis can fill a waste bin with food waste very week implies a
huge wastage

Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Wrong.

Exactly. I cook three times a day.

Whats left will be root vegetable peelings, bones and thats really all
the waste there is

Apart from packaging



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"And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch".

Gospel of St. Mathew 15:14

On 24/03/2018 12:10, soup wrote:
On 24/03/2018 10:59, Andrew wrote:
On 23/03/2018 13:46, Steve Walker wrote:
On 23/03/2018 10:45, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

The recycling bin goes out every two weeks

At the moment we get weekly collections of both wheelie bins (I
choose to put them out less frequently) but I gather the collections
are due to alternate between recycling and rubbish later this year
... might bother larger households.

If it is anything like where we are, they'll have a system to cope
with larger housholds.

Our normal system is:

Green bin, 240l - food waste (plus garden waste if you pay an extra
£40 a year) - collected weekly.

Grey bin, 120l - non-recyclable waste - collected fortnightly.

Blue bin, 240l - carboard and paper - collected monthly.

Black bin, 240l - plastic bottles, tins, cans and glass bottles -
collected monthly.

Leading to the green bin, plus one other, being collected every week.

For households with 5 or more residents, a 240l grey bin can be
requested instead of the 120l one. Additional blue and black bins can
also be requested.

What sort of people discard 240 litres of food waste every week ?.

No idea, but SteveW was talking about a 240l grey bin,I.E
non recyclable (landfill)

Grey NOT green

I'm afraid that means nothing.

In Horsham, Green is normal landfill rubbish
Brown is garden waste
Blue is mixed recycling.

We have no separate collections for food waste or electricals,
the council assume people are going to somehow travel to the
various Viridor sites and deposit their old fm radio or
hair curlers in the correct skip - if only.

On 24/03/2018 12:21, Bob Eager wrote:
He also mentions a 240l green bin for food waste, but if he'd read it
properly, he'd have seen it was optionally for garden waste as well.

In Horsham if the garden waste is contaminated with any sort of
food waste, it is just scooped back up (at the composting site)
and taken to landfill.

Food waste could contain meat remnants, including pork and
that was what caused the 2001 foot-and-mouth outbreak.

If people were careful enought to separate uncooked veggy
remnants from cooked food waste then it wouldn't be an issue
but people are lazy (and not generally very clued-up).

'Food Waste' means different things to different people.

On 24/03/2018 14:23, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Richard
wrote:

On 24/03/18 11:57, Tim Streater wrote:
In article , Richard
wrote:

On 23/03/18 13:46, Steve Walker wrote:
On 23/03/2018 10:45, Andy Burns wrote:
Tim Streater wrote:

The recycling bin goes out every two weeks

At the moment we get weekly collections of both wheelie bins (I
choose to put them out less frequently) but I gather the
collections are due to alternate between recycling and rubbish
later this year ... might bother larger households.

If it is anything like where we are, they'll have a system to cope
with larger housholds.

Our normal system is:

Green bin, 240l - food waste (plus garden waste if you pay an extra
£40 a year) - collected weekly.

Grey bin, 120l - non-recyclable waste - collected fortnightly.

Blue bin, 240l - carboard and paper - collected monthly.

Black bin, 240l - plastic bottles, tins, cans and glass bottles -
collected monthly.

Leading to the green bin, plus one other, being collected every week.

For households with 5 or more residents, a 240l grey bin can be
requested instead of the 120l one. Additional blue and black bins
can also be requested.

That makes our black bag for general waste and clear recycle bag
seem overly complicated.

I'm glad we have bins and no longer bags. That was a major improvement
(foxes have already been mentioned).

Put the bags out in the morning.

**** that.

In Cardiff, the bin police will fine you :-).

On 24/03/2018 12:56, alan_m wrote:
On 24/03/2018 11:05, Richard wrote:

That makes our black bag for general waste and clear recycle bag seem
overly complicated.

See....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkj7gZmuuhU


Around my way
Black bag for general waste (landfill) - buy your own bags

Pink bag for mixed recycled waste - bags supplied by council

Small container for food waste - container and small biodegradable
lining bags supplied by council

Large container for paper - council supplied
Broken down card also collected.

White bags for recycled clothing which are often never collected so the
next week they get stuffed into the black bags. I see very few white
bags being put out these days.


A generalised observation:
Around 1 in 20 put out a food waste container. If the wind is blowing
many of these emptied containers will end up elsewhere!
Many people seem to leave their paper waste until the containers are
full so perhaps 1 in 6 have these containers are put out for any one
collection.

Garden waste is an optional, additional, paid for service at around £50
a year and buy your own wheelie bin from the contractor (£30) or
alternatively put your garden waste into a pre-paid branded bag at
around 65p a time.


I'm amazed that the efficient Germans haven't persuaded the EU to
'harmonize' bin colours. It might be good idea.

On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

On 24/03/2018 19:16, Richard wrote:
On 24/03/18 18:42, S Viemeister wrote:
On 3/24/2018 12:39 PM, John Rumm wrote:

There also seems to be quite a variation in what classifications of
stuff each bin will take. Our recyclables bin is quite flexible -
glass, plastic, card, paper, tins etc. It now takes the bulk of the
stuff that gets put out. (when the scheme first started they could
not handle things like window envelopes, but now apparently those are
ok as well).

We have just two bins - one for landfill, the other for paper, tins,
and plastic. Alternate week pickup.

Most other stuff has to be taken to the local recycling place.
The council will pick up a maximum of three large items, booked and
paid in advance - freezers, furniture, etc. Last time I used that
service it cost about GBP17.

No garden waste bins, but it's a rural area and most people have
compost bins/piles.


Bins preferred. Piles are a pain in the arse.

Only if you put grass mowings on them. They take years to compost
unless you build up layers of scrap cardboard in between mowings,
with some compost accelerator added. Also helps to have big
bit of old epdm or pond liner to cover it and keep the heat in.

On 24/03/2018 16:19, dennis@home wrote:
I don't eat cauliflower stalks, the greens of the carrots, chicken
bones, etc.Â* even if you do.

The first two are compostible. Bones, fat, meat remnants and
other stuff of animal or fowl origin cannot be composted. This is
why pig farmers no longer collect 'swill' from schools. The possibility
of another foot-and-mouth outbreak is ominous. This sort of food
waste must go to landfill.

Unless you grow your own carrots (which means you have space for a
compost heap or bin anyway), where are these 'greens of carrots' coming
from ?. You only need to chop off the top 1/4 inch. How can you
end up with 240 litres a week ?.

On 25/03/2018 10:52, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
Â*Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

Do you have authority for contradicting the advice from my council (and
umpteen others) on what can be composted[1] in their facility?


[1] You can recycle all raw and cooked food waste:
vegetables and peelings
fish and fish bones
fruit cores and skins
bones
bread, rice, pasta
meat (raw or cooked)
teabags, coffee granules
egg shells
plate scrapings
cheese
--
Robin
reply-to address is (intended to be) valid

"Andrew" wrote in message
news
I'm amazed that the efficient Germans haven't persuaded the EU to
'harmonize' bin colours. It might be good idea.

I agree. It would be a very good idea if there were standard colours for
specific types of waste, and standard items that can be collected at the
roadside and/or recycling centres.

Moving from one area to another means learning a new council's rules - in
some areas, normal waste is a black bin, in others it is green. In some
areas they will take tin cans and paper (as opposed to cardboard), in other
areas they won't.

Some councils charge extra for garden waste at the roadside, and rubble /
broken plant-pots etc at the recycling centre.

I'd like to see a national standard for bin colours and what is collected,
with no additional per-load charge for items that are taken to the tip (ie
all covered by council tax),

I'd also like to see weekly collections of normal waste. Many times I've had
to make a special journey to the recycling centre to take packaging etc
which will not fit in the normal-waste bin, or even to take additional
cardboard boxes. tin cans, glass etc which will not fit in the very small
crate and even smaller bag for cardboard. Having to dismantle and rip up and
fold carboard boxes to make the fit in the bag is not acceptable: the bin
should be large enough to take these without putting the householder to the
hassle of making it fit.

It is fine to encourage people to recycle more, but all households generate
a certain amount of waste on average, and it all needs to be removed -
whether in the normal bin or the recycling bin. There seems to be a school
of thought that we should magically produce less waste, even of the
recyclable type.

On 25/03/2018 11:05, Robin wrote:
On 25/03/2018 10:52, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
Â*Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

Do you have authority for contradicting the advice from my council (and
umpteen others) on what can be composted[1] in their facility?


[1] You can recycle all raw and cooked food waste:
Â*Â*Â* vegetables and peelings
Â*Â*Â* fish and fish bones
Â*Â*Â* fruit cores and skins
Â*Â*Â* bones
Â*Â*Â* bread, rice, pasta
Â*Â*Â* meat (raw or cooked)
Â*Â*Â* teabags, coffee granules
Â*Â*Â* egg shells
Â*Â*Â* plate scrapings
Â*Â*Â* cheese

Try horsham.gov.uk website. They have told us that the brown bins
for garden waste must not be contaminated with food waste. Who is
right ?.

I don't suppose your council has an incinerator by chance ?.

On 25/03/2018 11:10, NY wrote:

snip

It is fine to encourage people to recycle more, but all households
generate a certain amount of waste on average, and it all needs to be
removed - whether in the normal bin or the recycling bin. There seems to
be a school of thought that we should magically produce less waste, even
of the recyclable type.

If it modifies your behaviour to reduce waste and recyclable matter, it
all sounds a good thing.

Otherwise pay the price of inconvenience.

"Robin" wrote in message
...
On 25/03/2018 10:52, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

Do you have authority for contradicting the advice from my council (and
umpteen others) on what can be composted[1] in their facility?


[1] You can recycle all raw and cooked food waste:
vegetables and peelings
fish and fish bones
fruit cores and skins
bones
bread, rice, pasta
meat (raw or cooked)
teabags, coffee granules
egg shells
plate scrapings
cheese

Yes I'd have thought that all of those except fruit and veg peelings/cores
could be recycled in an anaerobic digester, rather than needing to go into
landfill.

We used to compost veg peelings etc along with grass mowings and plant
prunings. Even with intermediate layers of cardboard or newspaper, and with
occasional watering in dry weather, it took ages for the waste to be
composted down. We had three "daleks" (*) on the go, and there were times
when all three were full and we had no more room for a few weeks until it
had rotted down.


(*) Conical plastic composting bins with lids, obtained from local council.

"Fredxx" wrote in message
news
On 25/03/2018 11:10, NY wrote:

snip

It is fine to encourage people to recycle more, but all households
generate a certain amount of waste on average, and it all needs to be
removed - whether in the normal bin or the recycling bin. There seems to
be a school of thought that we should magically produce less waste, even
of the recyclable type.

If it modifies your behaviour to reduce waste and recyclable matter, it
all sounds a good thing.

I'm all for encouraging people to recycle rather than landfill, by carrot
rather than stick by making it easy to recycle rather than difficult/costly
to landfill. But expecting people to reduce the *total* amount of waste is
ludicrous. If something comes boxed, you have to get rid of the box - and
you don't have the option of saying "supply this item in clean, pristine,
undamaged condition but with less packaging" - the packaging is the means of
making sure the item is clean/undamaged.

On 25/03/2018 11:37, NY wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
news
On 25/03/2018 11:10, NY wrote:

snip

It is fine to encourage people to recycle more, but all households
generate a certain amount of waste on average, and it all needs to be
removed - whether in the normal bin or the recycling bin. There seems
to be a school of thought that we should magically produce less
waste, even of the recyclable type.

If it modifies your behaviour to reduce waste and recyclable matter,
it all sounds a good thing.

I'm all for encouraging people to recycle rather than landfill, by
carrot rather than stick by making it easy to recycle rather than
difficult/costly to landfill. But expecting people to reduce the *total*
amount of waste is ludicrous. If something comes boxed, you have to get
rid of the box - and you don't have the option of saying "supply this
item in clean, pristine, undamaged condition but with less packaging" -
the packaging is the means of making sure the item is clean/undamaged.

Then modify your buying habits to include items with less packaging or
suffer the consequences and so we suffer your moans.

I have never had an issue with size of bins, even when our children have
been in disposable nappies.

If this is making you consider your lifestyle choice, so be it. It can
only be a good thing.

On 25/03/2018 11:14, Andrew wrote:
On 25/03/2018 11:05, Robin wrote:
On 25/03/2018 10:52, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
Â*Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

Do you have authority for contradicting the advice from my council
(and umpteen others) on what can be composted[1] in their facility?


[1] You can recycle all raw and cooked food waste:
Â*Â*Â*Â* vegetables and peelings
Â*Â*Â*Â* fish and fish bones
Â*Â*Â*Â* fruit cores and skins
Â*Â*Â*Â* bones
Â*Â*Â*Â* bread, rice, pasta
Â*Â*Â*Â* meat (raw or cooked)
Â*Â*Â*Â* teabags, coffee granules
Â*Â*Â*Â* egg shells
Â*Â*Â*Â* plate scrapings
Â*Â*Â*Â* cheese

Try horsham.gov.uk website. They have told us that the brown bins
for garden waste must not be contaminated with food waste. Who is
right ?.


I was citing what can be put into the bin for *food waste* (not garden
waste). Their treatment of food waste is different from that for garden
waste - but neither goes to landfill.

I don't suppose your council has an incinerator by chance ?.

It sends some waste to one - but not food waste.

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On 25/03/18 10:56, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 19:16, Richard wrote:
On 24/03/18 18:42, S Viemeister wrote:
On 3/24/2018 12:39 PM, John Rumm wrote:

There also seems to be quite a variation in what classifications of
stuff each bin will take. Our recyclables bin is quite flexible -
glass, plastic, card, paper, tins etc. It now takes the bulk of the
stuff that gets put out. (when the scheme first started they could
not handle things like window envelopes, but now apparently those
are ok as well).

We have just two bins - one for landfill, the other for paper, tins,
and plastic. Alternate week pickup.

Most other stuff has to be taken to the local recycling place.
The council will pick up a maximum of three large items, booked and
paid in advance - freezers, furniture, etc. Last time I used that
service it cost about GBP17.

No garden waste bins, but it's a rural area and most people have
compost bins/piles.


Bins preferred. Piles are a pain in the arse.

Only if you put grass mowings on them. They take years to compost
unless you build up layers of scrap cardboard in between mowings,
with some compost accelerator added. Also helps to have big
bit of old epdm or pond liner to cover it and keep the heat in.

Radical underwear there.

NY wrote:

I'm all for encouraging people to recycle rather than landfill, by carrot
rather than stick by making it easy to recycle

Indeed, the best step they took here was to get rid of the plethora of
bins for this/that/the other and the list of banned items (yoghurt pots,
butter tubs, tetrapaks, window envelopes, cardboard with sellotape on
it) and just take all the recycling in one bin ...

On 24/03/2018 16:50, alan_m wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:32, John Rumm wrote:
The only snag is, I could probably
fill it half a dozen times just with grass clippings!

Grass clippings will compact to a least a sixth of the volume by
themselves within a few days in the summer.

Indeed, but I can take several cubic metres of them off the lawn in one
cutting when its growing fast... they really ain't going in the bin!
(not to mention it would mean manually handling them up into the bin
after the mower dumps em on the ground)


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On 25/03/2018 10:43, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 12:21, Bob Eager wrote:
He also mentions a 240l green bin for food waste, but if he'd read it
properly, he'd have seen it was optionally for garden waste as well.

In Horsham if the garden waste is contaminated with any sort of
food waste, it is just scooped back up (at the composting site)
and taken to landfill.

Food waste could contain meat remnants, including pork and
that was what caused the 2001 foot-and-mouth outbreak.

If people were careful enought to separate uncooked veggy
remnants from cooked food waste then it wouldn't be an issue
but people are lazy (and not generally very clued-up).

Alternatively they have taken the time to read what things their local
composting bin collections will take...

'Food Waste' means different things to different people.

Indeed, from our district council's web site:

Compostables

The compostables bin is green with a yellow lid and is for food and
garden waste only.

Please put items into the bin:

Loose
Wrapped in a sheet of newspaper or
In a 100% compostable bag

Carrier bags, black sacks and bin liners are not accepted in this bin.

Items you can put in this bin include:

Fruit and vegetable peelings
Raw and cooked food
Meat and fish (including bones)
Plate scrapings and leftovers
Eggshells
Teabags, tea leaves and coffee grounds
Bread
Dairy products
Garden cuttings
Grass
Flowers
Leaves
Branches (less than 30cm in diameter)

Please do NOT put soil/compost/sand, dead animals, pet food, animal
bedding, treated wood or animal/human faeces in this bin.



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On 25/03/2018 11:10, NY wrote:
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I'm amazed that the efficient Germans haven't persuaded the EU to
'harmonize' bin colours. It might be good idea.

I agree. It would be a very good idea if there were standard colours for
specific types of waste, and standard items that can be collected at the
roadside and/or recycling centres.


I'd like to see a national standard for bin colours and what is
collected, with no additional per-load charge for items that are taken
to the tip (ie all covered by council tax),

The difficulty there is that the various recycling facilities around the
country do not all have the same capabilities. So you would be in danger
of reducing the range of things that can be collected everywhere to a
small common subset of recyclable items.


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On 25/03/2018 11:03, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:19, dennis@home wrote:
I don't eat cauliflower stalks, the greens of the carrots, chicken
bones, etc.Â* even if you do.

The first two are compostible. Bones,

Ground up heat treated bone is commonly applied to gardens.

fat, meat remnants and
other stuff of animal or fowl origin cannot be composted.

I once watched a TV program where the commercial company claimed that
could almost compost anything organic from the food industry. The
programmed showed their operation where one heap was the waste from
chicken processing including feathers. They had gigantic heaps on the
runway of a disused airport and the heaps were turned and mixed with the
help of bulldozers.

In council collections the food waste (including all the things you
believe cannot be composted) does not go to landfill.
My council states:



This is
why pig farmers no longer collect 'swill' from schools. The possibility
of another foot-and-mouth outbreak is ominous. This sort of food
waste must go to landfill.

Unable to compost is not the reason. I believe that this type of waste
cannot be guaranteed to have been heat treated to the required high
temperatures and it's not economic to do this on a small scale.


Unless you grow your own carrots (which means you have space for a
compost heap or bin anyway), where are these 'greens of carrots' coming
from ? You only need to chop off the top 1/4 inch. How can you
end up with 240 litres a week ?.


Some people don't buy their carrots pre-packed in a supermarket and even
then some "organic" branded carrots sold in supermarkets often are sold
with the leaves.

I was lead to believe that many root vegetables had a longer
shelf/storage life with the greenery removed as once picked the dying
leaves suck moisture from the root.



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On 25/03/2018 11:52, Fredxx wrote:
On 25/03/2018 11:37, NY wrote:
"Fredxx" wrote in message
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On 25/03/2018 11:10, NY wrote:

snip

It is fine to encourage people to recycle more, but all households
generate a certain amount of waste on average, and it all needs to
be removed - whether in the normal bin or the recycling bin. There
seems to be a school of thought that we should magically produce
less waste, even of the recyclable type.

If it modifies your behaviour to reduce waste and recyclable matter,
it all sounds a good thing.

I'm all for encouraging people to recycle rather than landfill, by
carrot rather than stick by making it easy to recycle rather than
difficult/costly to landfill. But expecting people to reduce the
*total* amount of waste is ludicrous. If something comes boxed, you
have to get rid of the box - and you don't have the option of saying
"supply this item in clean, pristine, undamaged condition but with
less packaging" - the packaging is the means of making sure the item
is clean/undamaged.

Then modify your buying habits to include items with less packaging or
suffer the consequences and so we suffer your moans.

I have never had an issue with size of bins, even when our children have
been in disposable nappies.

Has it occurred to you that your local council's provision may be very
different from NY's?

The pilot scheme our council ran for a couple of years had a blue
plastic create that took a smaller range of stuff, and separate bags for
paper and card. They made recycling some things significantly more
difficult than the current scheme with a large wheelie bin that takes
pretty much any recyclable.


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On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 18:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out
as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from
his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****

That denis can fill a waste bin with food waste very week implies a
huge wastage


TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

15L is a pretty small "compostables" bin, or is that designated for food
waste only?


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On 25/03/2018 11:03, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:19, dennis@home wrote:
I don't eat cauliflower stalks, the greens of the carrots, chicken
bones, etc. even if you do.

The first two are compostible. Bones, fat, meat remnants and
other stuff of animal or fowl origin cannot be composted. This is
why pig farmers no longer collect 'swill' from schools. The possibility
of another foot-and-mouth outbreak is ominous. This sort of food
waste must go to landfill.

In our area they *do* collect that kind of waste with all the other
compostable waste.

Unless you grow your own carrots (which means you have space for a
compost heap or bin anyway), where are these 'greens of carrots' coming
from ?. You only need to chop off the top 1/4 inch. How can you
end up with 240 litres a week ?.

I thought he said the recycling bin was 240L, not the food waste one...

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On 25/03/2018 10:52, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
Â*Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

It does not need to go to landfill, the council runs a composting
service for bones and other food waste. It does not go into the green
waste for composting. One chicken carcase will fill half the bin so it
doesn't take many meals to fill the waste container.

On 25/03/2018 11:14, Andrew wrote:
On 25/03/2018 11:05, Robin wrote:
On 25/03/2018 10:52, Andrew wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
Â*Â*TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

Except that it isn't food waste, much of it is uncooked veggy
parings (which contain most of the vitamins anyway). All this
can be composted at home.

Anything containing bones, fat or protein, whether cooked or not
needs to go to landfill.

Do you have authority for contradicting the advice from my council
(and umpteen others) on what can be composted[1] in their facility?


[1] You can recycle all raw and cooked food waste:
Â*Â*Â*Â* vegetables and peelings
Â*Â*Â*Â* fish and fish bones
Â*Â*Â*Â* fruit cores and skins
Â*Â*Â*Â* bones
Â*Â*Â*Â* bread, rice, pasta
Â*Â*Â*Â* meat (raw or cooked)
Â*Â*Â*Â* teabags, coffee granules
Â*Â*Â*Â* egg shells
Â*Â*Â*Â* plate scrapings
Â*Â*Â*Â* cheese

Try horsham.gov.uk website. They have told us that the brown bins
for garden waste must not be contaminated with food waste. Who is
right ?.

The garden waste bin is not a food waste bin.
They do not get composted in the same way.


I don't suppose your council has an incinerator by chance ?.

On 25/03/2018 15:03, John Rumm wrote:
On 24/03/2018 22:28, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 18:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 17:07, ARW wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:16, dennis@home wrote:
On 24/03/2018 06:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 24/03/18 06:15, ARW wrote:
On 23/03/2018 14:48, dennis@home wrote:

I frequently fill the 240l recycling bin every week.

The smaller landfill bin is about 25% full after a week.

The food waste bin is full most weeks. It really is waste like
peelings, etc.



Every one has different recycling bins depending on where they live.

I have 4 wheelie bins and supposedly one bag (due to be phased out
as they blow away).

I have no food recycle bin.



Dennis is as usual socially oppressive.

More cr@p from TNP.
I now think everything TNP says is cr@p and probably lies apart from
his insults. A total arsehole in every way.

All I said is what I do and made no mention of others.
We all know that different councils do different things, even my
council does different things in some areas of the borough.


TBH in this case I cannot find a reason to call you a ****

That denis can fill a waste bin with food waste very week implies a
huge wastage


Â* TNP is thick, its quite easy to get 15l of waste food if you cook
everything rather than get ready meals microwaved by his carer.

15L is a pretty small "compostables" bin, or is that designated for food
waste only?




Food waste only.
It is quite small.
The other green waste bin is 240l but its not for food, just garden waste.

On 25/03/2018 14:28, John Rumm wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:50, alan_m wrote:
On 24/03/2018 16:32, John Rumm wrote:
Â*The only snag is, I could probably
fill it half a dozen times just with grass clippings!

Grass clippings will compact to a least a sixth of the volume by
themselves within a few days in the summer.

Indeed, but I can take several cubic metres of them off the lawn in one
cutting when its growing fast... they really ain't going in the bin!
(not to mention it would mean manually handling them up into the bin
after the mower dumps em on the ground)



As long as you mow frequently they are better left on the grass anyway.
When you start cutting inches off then they become messy in the wet.