About 5 months ago the local kremlin (council) wrote to me saying that
the street light at the end of my drive will be replaced with a super
efficient led equivalent.
Good plan thinks I and 3 months later I had forgotten.

A few days back:
Day 1. 4 kremlin wallahs and 2 consultants turn up in 3 vehicles. All
equipped with yellow jackets. Yep, they say, that's a lamp post and put
a splodge of red paint on the ground.
Day 2. 2 labourers turn up without high viz, barricade my drive and the
lane that approaches it. Dig a hole, by hand to their credit, to expose
the mains supply to the lamp post. All neatly left and then they were gone.
Day 3. 2 electricians turned up in super hi-viz kit and isolated the
mains supply. This by turning off a switch and pulling the relay module out.
Day 4. A hiab type lorry turns up accompanied by 3 other vehicles. 11
people in total, the glare from hi-viz was quite hurtful. 2 blokes
lifted the pole out, and replaced it with the new.
Day 5. 2 electricians & 4 others turn up with a cherry picker. Mount new
lamp head on the pole and reconnect electric supply in the base. New
light now working.
Day 6. Weekend
Day 7. Weekend.
Day 8. 2 labourers turn up, fill the hole and make good. Remove barriers
and barricades.
Day 9. A huge contingent of kremlin staff, perhaps 15, turned up. This
to congratulate themselves on their good work. I had to put my
sunglasses on as the glare from hi-viz was too much for my old eyes. I
wish I had worn ear muffs as well.

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

Nick.

On 20/03/18 21:22, Nick wrote:
About 5 months ago the local kremlin (council) wrote to me saying that
the street light at the end of my drive will be replaced with a super
efficient led equivalent.
Good plan thinks I and 3 months later I had forgotten.

A few days back:
Day 1. 4 kremlin wallahs and 2 consultants turn up in 3 vehicles. All
equipped with yellow jackets. Yep, they say, that's a lamp post and put
a splodge of red paint on the ground.
Day 2. 2 labourers turn up without high viz, barricade my drive and the
lane that approaches it. Dig a hole, by hand to their credit, to expose
the mains supply to the lamp post. All neatly left and then they were gone.
Day 3. 2 electricians turned up in super hi-viz kit and isolated the
mains supply. This by turning off a switch and pulling the relay module
out.
Day 4. A hiab type lorry turns up accompanied by 3 other vehicles. 11
people in total, the glare from hi-viz was quite hurtful. 2 blokes
lifted the pole out, and replaced it with the new.
Day 5. 2 electricians & 4 others turn up with a cherry picker. Mount new
lamp head on the pole and reconnect electric supply in the base. New
light now working.
Day 6. Weekend
Day 7. Weekend.
Day 8. 2 labourers turn up, fill the hole and make good. Remove barriers
and barricades.
Day 9. A huge contingent of kremlin staff, perhaps 15, turned up. This
to congratulate themselves on their good work. I had to put my
sunglasses on as the glare from hi-viz was too much for my old eyes. I
wish I had worn ear muffs as well.

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

Nick.


Conversely, in my Dad's day as an LEB engineer:

The Engineer (him) would predict the position of the fault in an
underground cable (proper Wheatstone bridge stuff then);

Labourer or two would turn up and dig hole where Engineer directed;

Jointer would turn up and fix the cable;

Labourers would come back and temporarily reinstate the ground;

Council men would come by a few weeks later and repair the surface properly.



Now:

Engineer predicts position of fault;

Bloke comes, digs hole, fixes cable, fills hole in;

Council bloke does a proper job a few week later.

On 20/03/2018 21:22, Nick wrote:

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

It is the result of a service industry economy.

Pointless jobs for the boys in Southend on Sea seem to be closing one
lane of a busy road to replace the kerb stones with identical stones so
that the final result looks no different to the original.


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On 20/03/18 21:22, Nick wrote:
About 5 months ago the local kremlin (council) wrote to me saying that
the street light at the end of my drive will be replaced with a super
efficient led equivalent.
Good plan thinks I and 3 months later I had forgotten.

Labour run council? Do they have a carbon neutral standing for all that?

--
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In article ,
Nick wrote:
About 5 months ago the local kremlin (council) wrote to me saying that
the street light at the end of my drive will be replaced with a super
efficient led equivalent.
Good plan thinks I and 3 months later I had forgotten.

Not quite sure why they need to inform you of a change of bulb. ;-)

My local council did the entire street in a day or less. Didn't even know
it had been done until the lights came on that evening. They managed to do
it without needed parked cars moved.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:22:11 UTC, Nick wrote:
About 5 months ago the local kremlin (council) wrote to me saying that
the street light at the end of my drive will be replaced with a super
efficient led equivalent.
Good plan thinks I and 3 months later I had forgotten.

A few days back:
Day 1. 4 kremlin wallahs and 2 consultants turn up in 3 vehicles. All
equipped with yellow jackets. Yep, they say, that's a lamp post and put
a splodge of red paint on the ground.
Day 2. 2 labourers turn up without high viz, barricade my drive and the
lane that approaches it. Dig a hole, by hand to their credit, to expose
the mains supply to the lamp post. All neatly left and then they were gone.
Day 3. 2 electricians turned up in super hi-viz kit and isolated the
mains supply. This by turning off a switch and pulling the relay module out.
Day 4. A hiab type lorry turns up accompanied by 3 other vehicles. 11
people in total, the glare from hi-viz was quite hurtful. 2 blokes
lifted the pole out, and replaced it with the new.
Day 5. 2 electricians & 4 others turn up with a cherry picker. Mount new
lamp head on the pole and reconnect electric supply in the base. New
light now working.
Day 6. Weekend
Day 7. Weekend.
Day 8. 2 labourers turn up, fill the hole and make good. Remove barriers
and barricades.
Day 9. A huge contingent of kremlin staff, perhaps 15, turned up. This
to congratulate themselves on their good work. I had to put my
sunglasses on as the glare from hi-viz was too much for my old eyes. I
wish I had worn ear muffs as well.

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

Nick.

funny how they're proud of spending our money fitting less efficient lighting


NT

alan_m wrote:

On 20/03/2018 21:22, Nick wrote:

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

It is the result of a service industry economy.

Pointless jobs for the boys in Southend on Sea seem to be closing one
lane of a busy road to replace the kerb stones with identical stones so
that the final result looks no different to the original.
It reminds me of my time in the R.A.F. back in the 50"s. We had three
technical ranks in each skilled trade. Assistant, Mechanic and Fitter.
The joke was that if the equipment was faulty the Assistant would
diagnose it so and suggest the dodgy item needed a kick, but only the
Mechanic was skilled enough to know where to kick it, at this point
enter the Technically trained Fitter who was the only one who knew how
hard to kick it.

Great days. I still wonder at how the West won the Co;d War.
pfj

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Sub sun contractors and then they wonder how it is that a certain council
has gone bankrupt and the gov have had to step in. It appears that an
independent report, not commissioned by the gov says it wasted too much
money on outsourcing inappropriate services it could have provided cheaper
itself in house. Of course I bet gov come up with a different reason due to
their dogma.

Incidentally were these people doing your light called Hans, as we all know
Many Hans make Light work.
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"Nick" wrote in message
...
About 5 months ago the local kremlin (council) wrote to me saying that the
street light at the end of my drive will be replaced with a super
efficient led equivalent.
Good plan thinks I and 3 months later I had forgotten.

A few days back:
Day 1. 4 kremlin wallahs and 2 consultants turn up in 3 vehicles. All
equipped with yellow jackets. Yep, they say, that's a lamp post and put a
splodge of red paint on the ground.
Day 2. 2 labourers turn up without high viz, barricade my drive and the
lane that approaches it. Dig a hole, by hand to their credit, to expose
the mains supply to the lamp post. All neatly left and then they were
gone.
Day 3. 2 electricians turned up in super hi-viz kit and isolated the mains
supply. This by turning off a switch and pulling the relay module out.
Day 4. A hiab type lorry turns up accompanied by 3 other vehicles. 11
people in total, the glare from hi-viz was quite hurtful. 2 blokes lifted
the pole out, and replaced it with the new.
Day 5. 2 electricians & 4 others turn up with a cherry picker. Mount new
lamp head on the pole and reconnect electric supply in the base. New light
now working.
Day 6. Weekend
Day 7. Weekend.
Day 8. 2 labourers turn up, fill the hole and make good. Remove barriers
and barricades.
Day 9. A huge contingent of kremlin staff, perhaps 15, turned up. This to
congratulate themselves on their good work. I had to put my sunglasses on
as the glare from hi-viz was too much for my old eyes. I wish I had worn
ear muffs as well.

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

Nick.

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not quite sure why they need to inform you of a change of bulb. ;-)

My local council did the entire street in a day or less. Didn't even know
it had been done until the lights came on that evening. They managed to do
it without needed parked cars moved.

Same round here, they only needed to change the heads and control
gear.

The resulting coverage does appear far more patchy, and since
there is also less spill reaching property frontages, it feels a
much darker environment if you are walking.

Chris
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Plant amazing Acers.

On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:19:16 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not quite sure why they need to inform you of a change of bulb. ;-)

My local council did the entire street in a day or less. Didn't even know
it had been done until the lights came on that evening. They managed to do
it without needed parked cars moved.

Same round here, they only needed to change the heads and control
gear.

The resulting coverage does appear far more patchy, and since
there is also less spill reaching property frontages, it feels a
much darker environment if you are walking.

Chris

I like the lack of glare through the upstairs windows. With the old lights
there was no point in looking out if there was a strange noise at wee
o'clock as the lights prevented seeing anything.
Now, I can clearly see the road and gardens and I'm not too obvious to any
scrote lurking about.
--
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The gods will stay away
whilst religions hold sway

In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not quite sure why they need to inform you of a change of bulb. ;-)

My local council did the entire street in a day or less. Didn't even know
it had been done until the lights came on that evening. They managed to do
it without needed parked cars moved.

Same round here, they only needed to change the heads and control
gear.

The resulting coverage does appear far more patchy, and since
there is also less spill reaching property frontages, it feels a
much darker environment if you are walking.

Our previous lighting was high pressure sodium, so pretty good. The LED
replacments seem equally as good in coverage. One nice thing is they dim
them after about midnight. So hopefully save on some energy over the
previous. Only time will tell if they require less maintenance.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

It happens that Huge formulated :
Great days. I still wonder at how the West won the Cold War.

Because the Russkis were worse.

Did we? I thought it was a draw :-)

On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:22:11 UTC, Nick wrote:

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.

Nick.

I filled in an on-line form about the lamp post outside not lighting up at night or at anytime, it was mid december 2016, a few days later I got an email saying it had been fixed, although I don't know how they fixed it as nom light came from it and it has remained that way every since, so yes over a year now, I think they've spend all their money on cycle highways and winning a cultural award.

In article ,
whisky-dave writes:
On Tuesday, 20 March 2018 21:22:11 UTC, Nick wrote:

I quite despair of this method of getting a job done. No wonder this=20
country is going to hell.
Damned ludicrous.
=20
Nick.

I filled in an on-line form about the lamp post outside not lighting up at =
night or at anytime, it was mid december 2016, a few days later I got an em=
ail saying it had been fixed, although I don't know how they fixed it as no=
m light came from it and it has remained that way every since, so yes over =
a year now, I think they've spend all their money on cycle highways and win=
ning a cultural award.

A few years ago, I went for a cycle ride around the area, and sent the
council a list of 20 or so lamps which were not working (and most had
not been working for some time). At that time, they would only repair
streetlamps in response to reports of them not working. I did get a
reponse saying they would be fixed in 2 weeks, except for those where
the supply had failed and needed to be fixed by the electricity supplier.

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2018 09:19:16 +0000, Chris J Dixon wrote:

Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not quite sure why they need to inform you of a change of bulb. ;-)

My local council did the entire street in a day or less. Didn't even know
it had been done until the lights came on that evening. They managed to do
it without needed parked cars moved.

Same round here, they only needed to change the heads and control
gear.

The poles seem taller.

pretended :
funny how they're proud of spending our money fitting less efficient lighting

Figures suggest they might produce between the same and a little more
lumens per watt, when compared to HPS. Their big advantage is that the
light produced from LED is white and much more concentrated, directed
down to where it is required, rather than scattered through the 360
degrees and needing reflectors and masks.

In message , Harry Bloomfield
writes
pretended :
funny how they're proud of spending our money fitting less efficient lighting

Figures suggest they might produce between the same and a little more
lumens per watt, when compared to HPS. Their big advantage is that the
light produced from LED is white and much more concentrated, directed
down to where it is required, rather than scattered through the 360
degrees and needing reflectors and masks.

Hmm.. More light certainly. Also a lot more dazzle. ISTR a lecturer
explaining that low pressure sodium street lighting was prismatically
directed away from oncoming traffic. They seem to not bother with LEDs.

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On Wednesday, 21 March 2018 19:57:31 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
tabbypurr pretended :

funny how they're proud of spending our money fitting less efficient lighting

Figures suggest they might produce between the same and a little more
lumens per watt, when compared to HPS. Their big advantage is that the
light produced from LED is white and much more concentrated, directed
down to where it is required, rather than scattered through the 360
degrees and needing reflectors and masks.

LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with those though.


NT

In article ,
wrote:
LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it
reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with
those though.

There are more modern alternatives to HPS. Still a discharge type, but
more akin to film etc lighting.

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On Thursday, 22 March 2018 10:14:17 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it
reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with
those though.

There are more modern alternatives to HPS. Still a discharge type, but
more akin to film etc lighting.

I presume you mean HID.

Nothing hits the efficiency of LPS yet, but its pure yellow light is hardly ideal.


NT

On Thursday, 22 March 2018 13:52:48 UTC, tabby wrote:
On Thursday, 22 March 2018 10:14:17 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it
reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with
those though.

There are more modern alternatives to HPS. Still a discharge type, but
more akin to film etc lighting.

I presume you mean HID.

Nothing hits the efficiency of LPS yet, but its pure yellow light is hardly ideal.


NT

I meant to say I wonder why they don't combine LPS with LEDs in 2 colour channels. Then one could have
LPS only, yellow of course
LPS & LED for most efficient white light, or yellow-white for better efficiency
LEDs only for short term controllability.


NT

On 21/03/2018 11:36, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It happens that Huge formulated :
Great days.* I still wonder at how the West won the Cold War.

Because the Russkis were worse.

Did we? I thought it was a draw :-)

They threw the towel in too soon. If they had hung on until
Oil reached $140 then I suspect the USSR would still exist
now.

In article ,
wrote:
On Thursday, 22 March 2018 10:14:17 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:

LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it
reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with
those though.

There are more modern alternatives to HPS. Still a discharge type, but
more akin to film etc lighting.

I presume you mean HID.

Nothing hits the efficiency of LPS yet, but its pure yellow light is
hardly ideal.


Very true - and it's extremely narrow band light. Not ideal for making
things stand out from a background.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

Very true - and it's extremely narrow band light. Not ideal for making
things stand out from a background.


Ah well - lots of people having LED PIR Floodlights on their houses to
light up the houses across the street - and the surrounding air. Near me is
a house facing a junction which is shining straight into my eyes as I
approach the give-way line. Who are the idiots that fit them?

In article XnsA8ADA28B17084TrainJPlantntlworldc@
81.171.92.222, says...

Near me is
a house facing a junction which is shining straight into my eyes as I
approach the give-way line. Who are the idiots that fit them?

Often it might be the householder or, if not, probably the
householder adjusts the direction of the light afterwards
without any thought for unwanted (and dangerous) light spill
outside of their properties.

Also it is common to wind up the trigger sensitivity much
higher than is needed. Where I used to live, there was hardly
a street you could walk down at night without a blinding light
coming on every few yards!

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Huge was thinking very hard :
The waste of money is horrifying.

"They" recently replaced a perfectly good signpost near our house showing
the route of a long-distance footpath. It took 2 people an entire day to
dig up and a replace a wooden post with a "finger pointing" sign on the
top of it, something I could have done by myself in about an hour. And it
didn't need replacing anyway.

It certainly is horrifying. Our council spent many millions of pounds
and so far has taken two years, during which they have caused traffic
chaos, which has cost individuals millions more in lost time and on a
main heartery road. Why, some councillors pet project to install a
cycle lane into the city centre. It is mostly completed, but I have yet
to see a single cyclist using the route.

Terry Casey wrote in
:




Not many householders can climb steps to reach. I think it is the
installers who think they have to create an impressive light show.

On 21/03/2018 10:33, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Chris J Dixon wrote:
Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Not quite sure why they need to inform you of a change of bulb. ;-)

My local council did the entire street in a day or less. Didn't even know
it had been done until the lights came on that evening. They managed to do
it without needed parked cars moved.

Same round here, they only needed to change the heads and control
gear.

The resulting coverage does appear far more patchy, and since
there is also less spill reaching property frontages, it feels a
much darker environment if you are walking.

Our previous lighting was high pressure sodium, so pretty good. The LED
replacments seem equally as good in coverage. One nice thing is they dim
them after about midnight. So hopefully save on some energy over the
previous. Only time will tell if they require less maintenance.


They swapped the heads on my local street lights to LEDs a few years
ago. There have been a few failures in the last couple of days.
Presumably the driver has failed (flashing lights) and no doubt this
will require a full replacement of the head.

A separate driver at the bottom of the post would have been a better idea.



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On 22/03/2018 02:39, wrote:
On Wednesday, 21 March 2018 19:57:31 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
tabbypurr pretended :

funny how they're proud of spending our money fitting less efficient lighting

Figures suggest they might produce between the same and a little more
lumens per watt, when compared to HPS. Their big advantage is that the
light produced from LED is white and much more concentrated, directed
down to where it is required, rather than scattered through the 360
degrees and needing reflectors and masks.

LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with those though.


I would have expected these to be HPI lamps. A metal halide lamp that
can sometimes be run from SON control gear.


--
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In article ,
ARW wrote:
I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with those though.


I would have expected these to be HPI lamps. A metal halide lamp that
can sometimes be run from SON control gear.

Reasonably continuous spectrum discharge types have been around for a long
time now - for film etc use.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On Sunday, 25 March 2018 09:09:51 UTC+1, ARW wrote:
On 22/03/2018 02:39, tabbypurr wrote:
On Wednesday, 21 March 2018 19:57:31 UTC, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
tabbypurr pretended :

funny how they're proud of spending our money fitting less efficient lighting

Figures suggest they might produce between the same and a little more
lumens per watt, when compared to HPS. Their big advantage is that the
light produced from LED is white and much more concentrated, directed
down to where it is required, rather than scattered through the 360
degrees and needing reflectors and masks.

LPS/HPS street light fittings were designed to give wide spread, it reduces the number of poles thus costs.

I gather HPS do now come in white too, I'm not really familiar with those though.


I would have expected these to be HPI lamps. A metal halide lamp that
can sometimes be run from SON control gear.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium-vapor_lamp


NT