Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer

On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer

That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick doormat.

wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer

That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick doormat.

There are some jobs I wouldn't do for a million quid.

On 15/09/10 20:35, wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer

That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick doormat.

I need new trousers just watching that!

In article , tony sayer
writes
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

Top link, thanks for sharing.

With youtube, on completion, there are usually a few suggested followup
links for the could you do better brigade but on this one they appear to
be well and truly stumped.
--
fred
FIVE TV's superbright logo - not the DOG's, it's ********

On 15/09/2010 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

Talking as a rock climber...

I can see no reason at all for climbing unprotected like they appeared
to. Particularly in a work environment. What you do in your own time
is your own outlook.

Perhaps all was not as it seemed, and perhaps there is a safety system
in place that I can't see.

If they were truly as unprotected as it seemed, that is utter nonsense.
Total yee-ha disregard for safety.

Such nonsense would not be tollerated in any place with proper HSE
enforcement.

Did I really hear some lame comment that unprotected is OK and allowed
by the regs because it 'impedes progress' and 'is tiring'? Not half as
tiring as a fall..

For industrial working-at-height situations like this, there are various
auto-belay systems which can run up a fixed wire, and require no
un-clipping / re-clipping from the climber. There's no reason for not
implimenting some such system.

Is US work HSE really as lame as this, or am I missing something?

--
Ron

I can see no reason at all for climbing unprotected like they appeared...

I was surprised by that, particularly when on the pegs for the final
portion - where a single faulty peg might prove fatal.

There are some jobs I wouldn't do for a million quid.

Others would say the same of very modest climbs equivalent to only a
few floors - yet one quickly acclimatises, and are no more likely to
fall than you would walking down the street. (though I believe in
proper safety equipment because of the much greater consequences).

Ron Lowe wrote:
On 15/09/2010 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

Talking as a rock climber...

I can see no reason at all for climbing unprotected like they appeared
to. Particularly in a work environment. What you do in your own time
is your own outlook.

Perhaps all was not as it seemed, and perhaps there is a safety system
in place that I can't see.

If they were truly as unprotected as it seemed, that is utter nonsense.
Total yee-ha disregard for safety.

Such nonsense would not be tollerated in any place with proper HSE
enforcement.

Did I really hear some lame comment that unprotected is OK and allowed
by the regs because it 'impedes progress' and 'is tiring'? Not half as
tiring as a fall..

For industrial working-at-height situations like this, there are various
auto-belay systems which can run up a fixed wire, and require no
un-clipping / re-clipping from the climber. There's no reason for not
implimenting some such system.

Is US work HSE really as lame as this, or am I missing something?

I have to say something of that nature was going through my mind..like
even a bosuns chair would be easier, with a winch..

Ping Tony Sayer who IIRC has at times to climb masts for a
living amd might offer an insider's (upsider's?) view on what Europeans
wd think of such practices?

Talking as a rock climber...

IMHO rock climbers are by definition bold & courageous. For H&S you
want wimps like me wot only ever went potholing ('cos that way
you got to put a ladder or rope *down* so you had summat to hang onto
from the start).

For industrial working-at-height situations like this, there are
various auto-belay systems which can run up a fixed wire, and
require no un-clipping / re-clipping from the climber. There's no
reason for not implimenting some such system.

All reinforces my feeling of wimpishness having spent today working on a
chimney (all of 6 meters up on a lowish-pitch roof) with fall arrest
harness and self-liner on climbing rope attached to 2 belays. It's a
bugger getting old(er) and ever more fearful of the ground*


*as Terry Pratchett put it "you shouldn't be frightened of heights.
It's the ground that kills you".

--
Robin
PM may be sent to rbw0{at}hotmail{dot}com

On 15/09/2010 22:24, Robin wrote:

IMHO rock climbers are by definition bold& courageous.

There are old climbers, and there are bold climbers.
But there are no old, bold climbers.

--
Ron

The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer

That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick
doormat.

There are some jobs I wouldn't do for a million quid.


Wouldn't or couldn't do.

I'm in the couldn't group.

--
Adam

On 15/09/2010 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

Reminds me of a prog last week of Fred Dibna putting a scaffold on the
top of a mill chimney. Not quite as high, but I'll bet he would have
tackled it.

Dave

"tony sayer" wrote in message
...
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I


**** me...........
..
..
..

..
..That was soooooooooooooooo ****ing boring !

ARWadsworth wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:
wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer
That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick
doormat.
There are some jobs I wouldn't do for a million quid.


Wouldn't or couldn't do.

I'm in the couldn't group.

I guess I could climb 1000ft. Just

But I would not do it up a tower.

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/09/10 20:35, wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer

That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick doormat.

I need new trousers just watching that!

I'm ashamed to say that I couldn't watch it. I get rubber legs and a
horrible urge to be on the ground so I'd prolly jump off

In message , tony sayer
writes
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

I used to regularly go up 50 - 100 metre towers in Indonesia

but that gave me the willies

You don't want to drop your spanner at that height


--
geoff

In message , The Natural Philosopher
writes
wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I
--
Tony Sayer
That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick
doormat.

There are some jobs I wouldn't do for a million quid.

Once the butterflies are over, I expect it's just one hand in front of
the other



--
geoff

In message , Dave
writes
On 15/09/2010 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

Reminds me of a prog last week of Fred Dibna putting a scaffold on the
top of a mill chimney. Not quite as high, but I'll bet he would have
tackled it.


I might have mentioned before my uncle used to help him with demolitions
years ago and lived to tell the tale

...then fell off a carport roof and broke his neck


--
geoff

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 22:51:52 +0100, brass monkey wrote:

"Tim Watts" wrote in message
...
On 15/09/10 20:35, wrote:
On 15 Sep, 20:20, tony wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I --
Tony Sayer

That makes all the scaffolding I've climbed look like a thick doormat.

I need new trousers just watching that!

I'm ashamed to say that I couldn't watch it. I get rubber legs and a
horrible urge to be on the ground so I'd prolly jump off

I couldn't watch it either!



--
Use the BIG mirror service in the UK:
http://www.mirrorservice.org

*lightning protection* - a w_tom conductor

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I can see no reason at all for climbing unprotected like they
appeared...

I was surprised by that, particularly when on the pegs for the final
portion - where a single faulty peg might prove fatal.

I found it rather daft that when stopping for a rest the huge hook
was just hung on one of the pegs with only a tiny little stop or
upturn on the end to stop it sliding off.

Of course if some one did fall off and was attached to the structure
they only have a limited amount of dangle time before they are in as
much trouble as the sudden stop at the bottom if they weren't
attached. Fall arrest systems are all well and good but there also
needs to be a preceedure for the rapid and correct response to
recovering the, possibly unconcious, dangling person.

--
Cheers
Dave.

On 15 Sep,
tony sayer wrote:

Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by
TheOnLineEngineer.org."

--
B Thumbs
Change lycos to yahoo to reply

In message , writes
On 15 Sep,
tony sayer wrote:

Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by
TheOnLineEngineer.org."

*******s

did anyone download it ?

--
geoff

wrote in message ...
On 15 Sep,
tony sayer wrote:

Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

"This video is no longer available due to a copyright claim by
TheOnLineEngineer.org."

From: http://www.theonlineengineer.org/TheOLEBLOG/

I sent out an email this weekend advertising a new video about tower
climbing. It was a great video and I wish I could show it to you but the
person I got it from expressed some concerns about how it reflected on the
tower industry and ask me to take it down. So I did. But not to worry, we
have agreed to work on more videos in the near future and I am sure they
will be as good or better than the one I had to take down.

Sorry if you feel mislead or cheated but it was the only thing I could do.

I will let you all know when we have more videos on tower climbing,
hopefully in the very near future. Thanks for tuning in. Russ

In article ,
tony sayer writes:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

A shame it's been removed...

--
Andrew Gabriel
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]

In message , geoff
writes
In message , tony sayer
writes
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

I used to regularly go up 50 - 100 metre towers in Indonesia

I did of course mean FEET not METRES there



but that gave me the willies

You don't want to drop your spanner at that height



--
geoff

geoff wrote:

did anyone download it ?

Apparently that's the problem, the copy we watched was downloaded and
re-uploaded to youtube, after the guy had already taken it down from his
own website and youtube account.

http://www.theonlineengineer.org/TheOLEBLOG/

On 16/09/2010 04:19, John Rumm wrote:
On 16/09/2010 01:13, Andrew Gabriel wrote:
In ,
tony writes:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

A shame it's been removed...

Not by any chance:

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vid...-sweat/6op7j9v


I came across this thread too late to see the original but this clip
would appear to show that the climber is using an automatic belay on the
safety wire that runs up his corner of the tower.

Roger Chapman wrote:

I came across this thread too late to see the original but this clip
would appear to show that the climber is using an automatic belay on the
safety wire that runs up his corner of the tower.

That video isn't the same climber, or the same tower; the original
climber had no attachment to the tower except when he was stationary.

On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 23:22:56 +0100, geoff wrote:

Once the butterflies are over, I expect it's just one hand in front of
the other

But the butterflies come and go depending on the exposure. I think
I'd be OK inside the lattice tower on the ladder but I wouldn't be on
the outside and definitely not on the last sections with only
smallish pegs to stand and hang onto with nothing but free air in
almost every direction.

--
Cheers
Dave.

In message , Andrew Gabriel
writes
In article ,
tony sayer writes:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

A shame it's been removed...

Currently at:-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXuzrIN_x2M





--
Bill

In article o.uk, Dave
Liquorice scribeth thus
On Wed, 15 Sep 2010 13:41:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

I can see no reason at all for climbing unprotected like they
appeared...

I was surprised by that, particularly when on the pegs for the final
portion - where a single faulty peg might prove fatal.

I found it rather daft that when stopping for a rest the huge hook
was just hung on one of the pegs with only a tiny little stop or
upturn on the end to stop it sliding off.

Of course if some one did fall off and was attached to the structure
they only have a limited amount of dangle time before they are in as
much trouble as the sudden stop at the bottom if they weren't
attached. Fall arrest systems are all well and good but there also
needs to be a preceedure for the rapid and correct response to
recovering the, possibly unconcious, dangling person.


Yes called suspension trauma, not many people know about this and
neither do that many medics. Doesn't happen all that often tho in the UK
climbing such structures is very tightly regulated in the UK.

But useful to know about anyway..


http://www.hse.gov.uk/firstaid/harness.htm

http://www.outdoorswa.org/files/Harn...20Syndrome.pdf
--
Tony Sayer

geoff wrote:
In message , tony sayer
writes
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

I used to regularly go up 50 - 100 metre towers in Indonesia

but that gave me the willies

You don't want to drop your spanner at that height

A bit of a bugger if you need a **** as well.

--
Adam

In article , Ron Lowe
scribeth thus
On 15/09/2010 20:20, tony sayer wrote:
Just Two.. However put this on full screen and enjoy..

And don't try it at home will ya?...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txdv_oNq81I

Talking as a rock climber...

I can see no reason at all for climbing unprotected like they appeared
to. Particularly in a work environment. What you do in your own time
is your own outlook.

Perhaps all was not as it seemed, and perhaps there is a safety system
in place that I can't see.

If they were truly as unprotected as it seemed, that is utter nonsense.
Total yee-ha disregard for safety.

Such nonsense would not be tollerated in any place with proper HSE
enforcement.

Did I really hear some lame comment that unprotected is OK and allowed
by the regs because it 'impedes progress' and 'is tiring'? Not half as
tiring as a fall..

For industrial working-at-height situations like this, there are various
auto-belay systems which can run up a fixed wire, and require no
un-clipping / re-clipping from the climber. There's no reason for not
implimenting some such system.

Is US work HSE really as lame as this, or am I missing something?


Well it is the USA and they do have more accidents with this type of
work there than what the UK does. We do have some safety systems such as
"Railok" which you can connect to and if you fall it locks up rather
sharpish but generally in the UK free climbing is frowned on. Most
ascents on high structures are made up one of the stay wires in a small
lift bucket and we don't tend to have quite the same type of aerial
structure at the top.

Heres one of how its done over here, this is a digital switchover aerial
change and as you can see in some of the pix there is a ladder on the
outside but you can go up the inside of the actual aerial part!. I've
done some work like that, not that high 'tho, but it was tied on all the
time which as said is rather tedious but you've only got to slip the
once;!...


http://tx.mb21.co.uk/gallery/stockla...dso/shdso5.php

--
Tony Sayer

A bit of a bugger if you need a **** as well.

Only for your climbing buddy below.

Think of the sway on that too!

Again, not mentioned. I imagine it would be stomach churning even in
still air conditions.

tony sayer wrote:

generally in the UK free climbing is frowned on. Most
ascents on high structures are made up one of the stay wires in a small
lift bucket and we don't tend to have quite the same type of aerial
structure at the top.

Seems more sensible, and notable that the company involved over here
were happy to co-operate with publishing the pics of how the work is
done. But the climber over there seems to have got cold feet thinking
the company will take a dim view of seeing how the work there is done.

wrote:
A bit of a bugger if you need a **** as well.

Only for your climbing buddy below.
'golden rain'

In article
s.com, scribeth thus

A bit of a bugger if you need a **** as well.

Only for your climbing buddy below.

Now what happens to a **** in the wind;?...
--
Tony Sayer

In message , tony sayer
writes
In article
s.com, scribeth thus

A bit of a bugger if you need a **** as well.

Only for your climbing buddy below.

Now what happens to a **** in the wind;?...


A friend of mine flew gliders, he had a pipe with a funnel on top that
fed "fluid" to the outside world. I used to enjoy watching gliders fly
overhead, not so sure now though!!!!!!!!!!!!
--
Bill