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Cadovius Royal System and similar designs
This is the Royal System:
http://www.designaddict.com/cdn/farfuture/OmIL0ga5LXfqyiLpsfF993UAo-2eM4sXBoHyif6ph4Q/mtime:1487952511/sites/default/files/buyandsell/2016/09/621177-poul-cadovius-royal-system-teak.jpg It's a modular, wall-mounted shelving system in teak, first created in the late 1940s by Poul Cadovius. The basic design, of uprights from which shelves are hung with brass supports is also used in other systems, which I think were based on the Royal System. There's the Randers Møbelfabrik PS System, by Preben Sørensen: https://cdn1.pamono.com/p/z/8/4/84391_uS762R3bZh/danish-wall-unit-ps-system-with-cabinets-drawers-and-shelves-for-randers-mobelfabrik-1960s-6.jpg. And Sven Ellekaer's design for Albert Hansen https://i.pinimg.com/736x/09/f1/0c/09f10ca99518efa03bc965223ee7dd08.jpg. Any others from the same era? I noticed that now even IKEA are doing their version: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/collections/svalnäs/. It looks OK, but frankly bamboo doesn't can't match teak. And a company is making the Royal System (sort of, they've messed it about a bit) again: http://www.dk3.dk/products/storage/royal-system®.aspx. Daniele |
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On 08/01/2018 21:27, D.M. Procida wrote:
This is the Royal System: http://www.designaddict.com/cdn/farfuture/OmIL0ga5LXfqyiLpsfF993UAo-2eM4sXBoHyif6ph4Q/mtime:1487952511/sites/default/files/buyandsell/2016/09/621177-poul-cadovius-royal-system-teak.jpg It's a modular, wall-mounted shelving system in teak, first created in the late 1940s by Poul Cadovius. The basic design, of uprights from which shelves are hung with brass supports is also used in other systems, which I think were based on the Royal System. There's the Randers Møbelfabrik PS System, by Preben Sørensen: https://cdn1.pamono.com/p/z/8/4/84391_uS762R3bZh/danish-wall-unit-ps-system-with-cabinets-drawers-and-shelves-for-randers-mobelfabrik-1960s-6.jpg. And Sven Ellekaer's design for Albert Hansen https://i.pinimg.com/736x/09/f1/0c/09f10ca99518efa03bc965223ee7dd08.jpg. Any others from the same era? I noticed that now even IKEA are doing their version: http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/collections/svalnäs/. It looks OK, but frankly bamboo doesn't can't match teak. And a company is making the Royal System (sort of, they've messed it about a bit) again: http://www.dk3.dk/products/storage/royal-system®.aspx. Daniele Apart from being mechanically unsound and looking naff - what are the advantages? |
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Andy Bennet wrote:
On 08/01/2018 21:27, D.M. Procida wrote: This is the Royal System: http://www.designaddict.com/cdn/farf...psfF993UAo-2eM 4sXBoHyif6ph4Q/mtime:1487952511/sites/default/files/buyandsell/2016/09/6 21177-poul-cadovius-royal-system-teak.jpg It's a modular, wall-mounted shelving system in teak, first created in the late 1940s by Poul Cadovius. The basic design, of uprights from which shelves are hung with brass supports is also used in other systems, which I think were based on the Royal System. Apart from being mechanically unsound and looking naff - what are the advantages? I find the design quite beautiful. I love teak, and that Danish modernist design. What makes you doubt their strength? A column of those shelves will happily take 100+ kg, though most people use them for books and small objects, not their anvil collections. Daniele |
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:46:58 +0000, Andy Bennet wrote:
On 08/01/2018 21:27, D.M. Procida wrote: This is the Royal System: http://www.designaddict.com/cdn/farfuture/OmIL0ga5LXfqyiLpsfF993UAo-2eM4sXBoHyif6ph4Q/mtime:1487952511/sites/default/files/buyandsell/2016/09/621177-poul-cadovius-royal-system-teak.jpg And a company is making the Royal System (sort of, they've messed it about a bit) again: http://www.dk3.dk/products/storage/royal-system®.aspx. Daniele Apart from being mechanically unsound and looking naff - what are the advantages? In some circumstances having the floor clear may make it easier to run a vacuum around and avoid dust that builds up under floor standing furniture which could be important for people with dust allergies, in real life it would probably end up with something put there. Is it really mechanically unsound for the job if the wall is strong enough? Doesn't seem too different from thousands of other similar arrangements from book shelves to viewing spots for tourists on the side of mountains. Looking Naff, I've seen worse, I've seen better. some like the industrial look of dexion type systems or the shoe shop look from Spur and derivatives while others seem to like the thin coated with foil MDF offerings from Ikea etc. G.Harman |
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"D.M. Procida" wrote in message ... I find the design quite beautiful. I love teak, and that Danish modernist design. What's wrong with it are the metal support hangers whose function is obvious but which don't blend in with the rest of the design. They're made of metal and have a rounded angle unlike the rest of the design which is made of teak and is all right angles. Because of the impossibility of merging the hangers seamlessly into the design this would always be a poor compromise. Similarly because the hangers will need to divide the top surface of the shelf at regular intervals into compartments unlike Spur and similar which are hidden underneath, this poses a potential limitation on the way items can be arranged on the shelves. Rows of books for instance would have gaps at regular intervals to accommodate the pairs of hangers, which is far from ideal. A classy solution insistent on teak throughout would have concealed metal supports in both uprights and shelves offering unbroken lengths of shelving Cheap versions using rope as hangers look no worse and at least offer the consolation of looking utilitarian on purpose michael adams .... |
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"D.M. Procida" wrote in message ... Andy Bennet wrote: On 08/01/2018 21:27, D.M. Procida wrote: This is the Royal System: http://www.designaddict.com/cdn/farf...psfF993UAo-2eM 4sXBoHyif6ph4Q/mtime:1487952511/sites/default/files/buyandsell/2016/09/6 21177-poul-cadovius-royal-system-teak.jpg It's a modular, wall-mounted shelving system in teak, first created in the late 1940s by Poul Cadovius. The basic design, of uprights from which shelves are hung with brass supports is also used in other systems, which I think were based on the Royal System. Apart from being mechanically unsound and looking naff - what are the advantages? I find the design quite beautiful. I don’t, the mechanically unsound approach puts me off. I love teak, and that Danish modernist design. I do too, but mechanically unsound puts me right off. What makes you doubt their strength? The way the rod support for the shelf is done. A column of those shelves will happily take 100+ kg, Sure, but where the rod support attaches wont. though most people use them for books and small objects, I doubt it would survive being fully loaded books. not their anvil collections. |
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wrote in message ... On Tue, 9 Jan 2018 08:46:58 +0000, Andy Bennet wrote: On 08/01/2018 21:27, D.M. Procida wrote: This is the Royal System: http://www.designaddict.com/cdn/farfuture/OmIL0ga5LXfqyiLpsfF993UAo-2eM4sXBoHyif6ph4Q/mtime:1487952511/sites/default/files/buyandsell/2016/09/621177-poul-cadovius-royal-system-teak.jpg And a company is making the Royal System (sort of, they've messed it about a bit) again: http://www.dk3.dk/products/storage/royal-system®.aspx. Daniele Apart from being mechanically unsound and looking naff - what are the advantages? In some circumstances having the floor clear may make it easier to run a vacuum around and avoid dust that builds up under floor standing furniture which could be important for people with dust allergies, in real life it would probably end up with something put there. Yes, but those with dust allergys could avoid doing that. Is it really mechanically unsound for the job if the wall is strong enough? Yes, the rod supports for the shelves are. Doesn't seem too different from thousands of other similar arrangements from book shelves I prefer the other approach of a long rectangular frame with dexion 25mm black square slotted tube verticals with welded horizontals at the to and bottom and half way down. That stands on the floor and is bolted to the wall too. Aluminium flats go in the slots and the shelves sit on the aluminium flats. Doesn't look anything like as elegant, but my bookshelves are completely full of books so all you see is the book spines, the front dexion verticals and the shelf edges. I'm not into displaying small objects. The Royal system looks a lot better for those. to viewing spots for tourists on the side of mountains. Those are completely different, nothing like as sparse a design. Looking Naff, I've seen worse, I've seen better. some like the industrial look of dexion type systems Yeah, that's certainly a taste thing. or the shoe shop look from Spur and derivatives while others seem to like the thin coated with foil MDF offerings from Ikea etc. I do prefer solid timber shelves, but they arent cheap. |
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Rod Speed wrote:
A column of those shelves will happily take 100+ kg, Sure, but where the rod support attaches wont. though most people use them for books and small objects, I doubt it would survive being fully loaded books. Have you actually seen these shelves? I mean, other than just now on the web? Daniele |
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On 09/01/2018 18:53, michael adams wrote:
"D.M. Procida" wrote in message ... I find the design quite beautiful. I love teak, and that Danish modernist design. What's wrong with it are the metal support hangers whose function is obvious but which don't blend in with the rest of the design. They're made of metal and have a rounded angle unlike the rest of the design which is made of teak and is all right angles. Because of the impossibility of merging the hangers seamlessly into the design this would always be a poor compromise. Similarly because the hangers will need to divide the top surface of the shelf at regular intervals into compartments unlike Spur and similar which are hidden underneath, this poses a potential limitation on the way items can be arranged on the shelves. Rows of books for instance would have gaps at regular intervals to accommodate the pairs of hangers, which is far from ideal. A classy solution insistent on teak throughout would have concealed metal supports in both uprights and shelves offering unbroken lengths of shelving Cheap versions using rope as hangers look no worse and at least offer the consolation of looking utilitarian on purpose michael adams ... +1. Also I think they look very dated. |
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"D.M. Procida" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: A column of those shelves will happily take 100+ kg, Sure, but where the rod support attaches wont. though most people use them for books and small objects, I doubt it would survive being fully loaded books. Have you actually seen these shelves? I mean, other than just now on the web? Yep. |
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