I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be boring.
I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed China did
have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

On 1/6/2018 6:54 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be boring.
I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed China did
have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.



I liked that China chap...good mechanic .....nice hair

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Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be
boring. I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed
China did have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

https://jalopnik.com/edd-china-is-le...y-w-1793498487

http://tinyurl.com/y8jlb8vd

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On 06/01/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be boring.
I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed China did
have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

I also caught a few minutes of the new show when channel flicking - my
thoughts were exactly the same: sleeker, faster, 100% scripted (I know,
it was always scripted, but it didn't feel that way), and with a lot
less substance. All ready for the American market then...

I will also not be watching again.

JoeJoe wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I
used to watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be
boring. I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no
charisma, Ed China did have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

I also caught a few minutes of the new show when channel flicking - my
thoughts were exactly the same: sleeker, faster, 100% scripted (I
know, it was always scripted, but it didn't feel that way), and with
a lot less substance. All ready for the American market then...

I will also not be watching again.

Yup, all ready for the murkins. But as it is not fast and furious and not
from "Chucks Workshop" it will flop.

I think there is more than meets the eye here.
Sort of a strange guy with a strange wife.
I always wondered if Edd was "of the persuasion"
https://marriedbiography.com/imogen-...about-it-here/

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JoeJoe wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I
used to watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be
boring. I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no
charisma, Ed China did have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

I also caught a few minutes of the new show when channel flicking - my
thoughts were exactly the same: sleeker, faster, 100% scripted (I
know, it was always scripted, but it didn't feel that way), and with
a lot less substance. All ready for the American market then...

I will also not be watching again.

Yup, all ready for the murkins. But as it is not fast and furious and not
from "Chucks Workshop" it will flop.

I think there is more than meets the eye here.
Sort of a strange guy with a strange wife.
I always wondered if Edd was "of the persuasion"
https://marriedbiography.com/imogen-...about-it-here/


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On 06/01/18 20:13, JoeJoe wrote:
On 06/01/2018 18:54, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be
boring.
I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed China
did
have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

I also caught a few minutes of the new show when channel flicking - my
thoughts were exactly the same: sleeker, faster, 100% scripted (I know,
it was always scripted, but it didn't feel that way), and with a lot
less substance. All ready for the American market then...

I will also not be watching again.

Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I
guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.


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that sound good.

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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I
guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

You do know that he was already a very well known mechanic BEFORE he
appeared on Wheeler Dealers, don't you?
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On 07/01/18 09:45, Steve H wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I
guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

You do know that he was already a very well known mechanic BEFORE he
appeared on Wheeler Dealers, don't you?

I would have assumed so, yes.
As the series progressed his workshop got better abnd better kit.


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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 07/01/18 09:45, Steve H wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I
guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

You do know that he was already a very well known mechanic BEFORE he
appeared on Wheeler Dealers, don't you?

I would have assumed so, yes.
As the series progressed his workshop got better abnd better kit.

I'm guessing it was the show's workshop, as he was constructing
motorised sofas and bathtubs way before WD came along.
--
Steve H

On 07/01/2018 09:45, Steve H wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I
guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

You do know that he was already a very well known mechanic BEFORE he
appeared on Wheeler Dealers, don't you?


I really liked the programme and Edd; you got a lot of information about
problems with certain cars, problems which would get ordinary people
stumped. E.g. the accelerator problem on the Masarati with almost build
in failure after certain miles, and would cost a fortune to fix unless
well connected as Edd.

johannes wrote:

On 07/01/2018 09:45, Steve H wrote:
The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I
guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

You do know that he was already a very well known mechanic BEFORE he
appeared on Wheeler Dealers, don't you?


I really liked the programme and Edd; you got a lot of information about
problems with certain cars, problems which would get ordinary people
stumped. E.g. the accelerator problem on the Masarati with almost build
in failure after certain miles, and would cost a fortune to fix unless
well connected as Edd.

Edd obviously knows how to use the Internet. Because that's how I
usually find people to fix stuff like that. There is no special insider
knowledge required!
--
Steve H

The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and I guess
he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic.
No labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

On 07/01/2018 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and
I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

I think that in the later, American, version of the program they started
to mention something along the lines of: "...nd 45 hours of labour" at
the end as well.

JoeJoe wrote:

On 07/01/2018 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and
I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

I think that in the later, American, version of the program they started
to mention something along the lines of: "...nd 45 hours of labour" at
the end as well.

*bangs head against wall*

Am I the only person who 'got' the whole fecking concept?

Labour wasn't included because it was a show about the kind of fettling
you could potentially do at home. Hence why Edd would sometimes say 'you
can do this at home, but if you paid for it to be done it would cost up
to £400'.
--
Steve H

On 07/01/18 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and
I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

Its a 'reality' show.

Not how to fix up cars and make a profit.

Compare 'Fantom works' with 'overhaulin'. Fantomworks actially really
fixed cars on a budget. 'Overhaulin' was unlimited budget with a hot
chick presenter.


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puts mah heel on um jess the same if'n I catches him around mah chillun".

On 07/01/2018 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and
I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

£2000 for a blowover? I really am out of touch.

In article ,
Graham T wrote:
On 07/01/2018 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and
I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

£2000 for a blowover? I really am out of touch.

If you start out with perfect bodywork and merely want to change the
colour using a cheap paint, 2000 quid might do it. But of course would
have a limited life before the edges start fraying.

But if you want something approaching original on an older car, you can
multiply that a few times.

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Dave Plowman London SW
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On 07/01/2018 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff off.

Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars and
I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy. Edd
came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

They did specifically state a few times that labour costs were
deliberately excluded on the basis of it being a demonstration of what
you could do yourself and therefore there would be no labour costs -
which was fair enough in the early series where they were doing mainly
relatively simple mechanical repairs.

SteveW

Steve Walker wrote:
On 07/01/2018 09:50, Harry Bloomfield wrote:
The Natural Philosopher formulated the question :
Yerah. when it strays from geeks corner to relaity TV it can naff
off. Poor old Mike. Not much else he CAN do, but Ed China can fix cars
and I guess he has a damn well equipped workshop by now.

I found Mike to be a tremendously annoying little cockney wide boy.
Edd came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did
annoy me, was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely
unrealistic. No labour costs were included, any outsourced work was
often at bargain basement rates and the parts were just so easy to
source.

They did specifically state a few times that labour costs were
deliberately excluded on the basis of it being a demonstration of what
you could do yourself and therefore there would be no labour costs -
which was fair enough in the early series where they were doing mainly
relatively simple mechanical repairs.

Steve

I never saw this statement about the labour costs, and I did look for it.
********.
As for doing the jobs at home, that was 90% ********. Unless you have a
ramp/pit/welding gear etc.

On Sun, 07 Jan 2018 09:50:31 +0000, Harry Bloomfield wrote:

Edd came across as the very down to earth capable one. What did annoy me,
was that the fixing up costs at the end, were completely unrealistic. No
labour costs were included, any outsourced work was often at bargain
basement rates and the parts were just so easy to source.

And often new tyres fitted with no mention of them in totting up the costs.

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 18:54:45 +0000, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:

The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.

Brewer is irritating. He was in another show many years ago with a co-
anchor who really knew the car trade inside out which just threw Brewer's
ignorance into sharp relief. Every week the other bloke would get the
better of brewer and show him up for the **** he is. It was NOT Ed China,
though (and I can't recall the name of that earlier show, either).




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On 06-Jan-18 6:54 PM, Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be boring.
I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed China did
have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.

Quite a few (unfortunately)

With May and Barlow (+ later Plato and Penny Mallory)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driven_(TV_series)

With Richard Sutton
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deals_on_Wheels
(most likely as predecessor to wheeler dealer)

Edd China, Michele Newman, Mike Rutherford, and Sarah-Jane Mee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulling_Power

Also with Edd
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Trader_(TV_series)

On Sat, 06 Jan 2018 23:49:59 +0000, Peter Hill wrote:

Quite a few (unfortunately)

With May and Barlow (+ later Plato and Penny Mallory)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driven_(TV_series)

With Richard Sutton https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deals_on_Wheels (most
likely as predecessor to wheeler dealer)

Edd China, Michele Newman, Mike Rutherford, and Sarah-Jane Mee.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulling_Power

Also with Edd https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_Trader_(TV_series)

Anstead is an ex-copper, apparently. He must have thrown that career in
bloody early or else he got sacked. Now he's re-invented himself as a car
expert. There are some unaccountable holes in his CV. Anyone know a bit
more?



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Mr Pounder Esquire wrote:
I caught the program on Sky or somewhere last night and was not too
impressed. I watch very little telly but when channel flipping I used to
watch bits of the old show.
I know that the old show was just a show, but I never found it to be boring.
I thought that the mechanic, Ant, had absolutely no charisma, Ed China did
have that.
The cockney ****, Mike Brewer seemed to be groveling to him.
Quite disappointing.
I won't be bothering again.
Forgive cross post to uk.d-i-y.


I liked Car S.O.S. a lot. I hope they do some more.