Max Demian wrote:
On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures. Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?

No: soap/detergent washes them out. Surgeons don't boil their hands.


But they do wear sterile gloves.

Tim

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On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 17:16:17 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 12/12/2017 16:14, whisky-dave wrote:


Doesn't the same go for washing hands who uses boiling water for that ?

If a processes of washing your hands in cold water with an added
ingredients works the same must work for washing machines.

Not necessarily as you'll find differnt bacteria on differnt parts of the body and clothes.

Plus, in the
UK most water from the rising main will be chlorinated thus adding a
disinfectant to the mix in the washing machine.

I use the same sorce of water whethe rI;m washing cloths or hands.

Detergents also contain
bleaching agents adding to the disinfectant effect.

I think autoclaving reaches temperatures of 120C to get rid of 'all' bacteria.
Usually we just aim to get rid of as many as possible with as little effort as possible.

But many fabrics cannot be washed at a maximum temperature half or a
third of that temperatures.

Yes I know but as I said the idea is to get rid of as much as possible there is NO washing machine can guarantee 100% clean wash.


Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

For some, but I wouldn't considering that part of the washing cycle I'd call it part of the drying cycle.

There is little point in washing clothes if they are not dried
thoroughly afterwards. Leave damp clothes in a pile of for a day or two
and you will be able to identify them by the distinctive smell.

Yes so, that proves you need a drying cycle of some sort.

With any disinfectant or high temperature its also the amount of time
that the washing is sitting in the active disinfectant ingredient or at
the required temperature that is important.

Yes I know that;s why the;re a soak or hand wash cycle.

Do washing machines maintain
the higher temperatures for long enough to be effective against 'bugs',

Like radiators that would be dependant on the quality of the equipment used.

especially on ECO washes?
No idea but it would depend on what results you wanted.


All the rage are the steam cleaners that promise clean germ free work
surfaces, toilets, babies eating tables etc. What most people don't see
is the small print in the adverts for those products (paraphrasing)
"kills everything when held at the super-heated steam temperatures for
two MINUTES" which to me says kills bugger all when wafted around as
shown in the demonstrations.

Some of us read such things, I do for the gambling sites, not that I've ever subscribed to them (other than the national lottery).
Lots of cosmetics companies do similar with there of 77% of women tested agree that their skin feels better, tested on 132 or whatever .

On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:37:14 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:
"whisky-dave" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 11 December 2017 17:24:31 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 11/12/2017 13:27, wrote:


You certainly do have only half a clue. Nearly everyone does not wash
in cold water, most machines don't even have a program for it.


Most/all machines allow a cold wash (no heating of water) - and have
done for a decade or more.

I think all machines since 2013 have a 20C option.


I agree that many people probably don't realise that a cold wash will
get the cloths just as clean as with a hot wash.

And most don't realise the build up of bacteria when washing at low temps.
looking clean and being clean isn't the same.

And under 20C is only applicable to lightly soiled clothes.

Bull****.

No if you're washing bull**** off I'd use a hihger temerature than 20C most likey 60C or 90C.

On Wednesday, 13 December 2017 01:54:23 UTC, alan_m wrote:
On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures. Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?


Temperature, a quick google suggests 102C stops them reproducing, 120C+
kills them.
Lower temperatures can be used but may require the temperature to be
kept at that level for an hour.

You can also zap them chemically - chlorine in your cold water supply
for instance.

I wonder how they'd survive in a microwave oven.
Probbly be OK on defrost ;-)

On 2017-12-13, alan_m wrote:

On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures. Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?


Temperature, a quick google suggests 102C stops them reproducing, 120C+
kills them.
Lower temperatures can be used but may require the temperature to be
kept at that level for an hour.

You can also zap them chemically - chlorine in your cold water supply
for instance.

AIUI, the chlorine level in tap water is high enough to prevent
bacterial growth in it as long as it's physically clean, but not high
enough to do more than that. Otherwise, we wouldn't need soap to wash
our hands.

You can buy laundry disinfectant. I use Dettol Laundry Cleanser on
underwear, towels, & bedding (also on my hiking trousers if I get
manure on them).

On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 18:37:14 UTC, Rod Speed wrote:

Bull****.

doesn't he always?

On Wednesday, 13 December 2017 13:30:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2017-12-13, alan_m wrote:

On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures. Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?


Temperature, a quick google suggests 102C stops them reproducing, 120C+
kills them.
Lower temperatures can be used but may require the temperature to be
kept at that level for an hour.

You can also zap them chemically - chlorine in your cold water supply
for instance.

AIUI, the chlorine level in tap water is high enough to prevent
bacterial growth in it as long as it's physically clean, but not high
enough to do more than that. Otherwise, we wouldn't need soap to wash
our hands.

You can buy laundry disinfectant. I use Dettol Laundry Cleanser on
underwear, towels, & bedding (also on my hiking trousers if I get
manure on them).

Why don't you pull them down, before taking a **** ;-)

On 13/12/17 01:54, alan_m wrote:
On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures.Â* Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?


Temperature, a quick google suggests 102C stops them reproducing, 120C+
kills them.

Yes. Thats why building control mandates that hot water be stored at
60C....not?

Lower temperatures can be used but may require the temperature to be
kept at that level for an hour.

You can also zap them chemically - chlorine in your cold water supply
for instance.



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On 13/12/17 10:12, Max Demian wrote:
On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Â*Â*Â* alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures.Â* Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?

No: soap/detergent washes them out. Surgeons don't boil their hands.

dry clean em if fussy.


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On 2017-12-13, whisky-dave wrote:

On Wednesday, 13 December 2017 13:30:06 UTC, Adam Funk wrote:
On 2017-12-13, alan_m wrote:

On 13/12/2017 01:06, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
alan_m wrote:
But you would have to actually boil your cloths for minutes to kill the
all bacteria and machines don't reach those temperatures. Part of the
washing cycle is hanging out the cloths to dry/air.

Do you actually have to boil to kill bacteria?


Temperature, a quick google suggests 102C stops them reproducing, 120C+
kills them.
Lower temperatures can be used but may require the temperature to be
kept at that level for an hour.

You can also zap them chemically - chlorine in your cold water supply
for instance.

AIUI, the chlorine level in tap water is high enough to prevent
bacterial growth in it as long as it's physically clean, but not high
enough to do more than that. Otherwise, we wouldn't need soap to wash
our hands.

You can buy laundry disinfectant. I use Dettol Laundry Cleanser on
underwear, towels, & bedding (also on my hiking trousers if I get
manure on them).

Why don't you pull them down, before taking a **** ;-)

I'm pretty sure it was horse manure *on the outside* last weekend, but
I did set myself up for that.

In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Doesn't the same go for washing hands who uses boiling water for
that ?

If a processes of washing your hands in cold water with an added
ingredients works the same must work for washing machines.

Not necessarily as you'll find differnt bacteria on differnt parts of
the body and clothes.

Well quite. One good fart and those nice clean Y-fronts are full of
bacteria.

Gawd knows what the Brexiteers on here shirts are like with all their
dribbling.

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On Wednesday, 13 December 2017 16:04:17 UTC, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
whisky-dave wrote:
Doesn't the same go for washing hands who uses boiling water for
that ?

If a processes of washing your hands in cold water with an added
ingredients works the same must work for washing machines.

Not necessarily as you'll find differnt bacteria on differnt parts of
the body and clothes.

Well quite. One good fart and those nice clean Y-fronts are full of
bacteria.

I wonder if they stay there all month ;-)


Gawd knows what the Brexiteers on here shirts are like with all their
dribbling.


Probbbly similar to remoaners tears I'd have thought.

On 13/12/2017 16:03, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Gawd knows what the Brexiteers on here shirts are like with all their
dribbling.


Or the underpants of the remoaners always talking out of their arses.

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On Wed, 13 Dec 2017 13:26:58 +0000
Adam Funk wrote:

You can buy laundry disinfectant. I use Dettol Laundry Cleanser on
underwear, towels, & bedding (also on my hiking trousers if I get
manure on them).

You may be worrying too much/not enough about bacteria in the
environment.