On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

Murmansk wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?

Elsewhere in North/Mid Wales, eg the A483 from Welshpool to Shrewsbury,
long stretches of single carriageway are signed 60mph. I take it that
they either want to remind people what the national speed limit is, or
just remind people to keep within it. Presumably it doesn't actually
breach any rules, but I don't actually know this. It is mildly
irritating, but not quite so irritating as long stretches of the same
road further West which are limited to 40mph or 50mph for no apparent
reason (few or no houses).



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On 17/11/17 19:23, Roger Hayter wrote:
long stretches of the same
road further West which are limited to 40mph or 50mph for no apparent
reason (few or no houses).

single carriageway limit is 50mph for anything over (3.5? 7.5?) tonnes

Its hell to get stuck behind a commercail looking out for his license



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The Natural Philosopher wrote:

On 17/11/17 19:23, Roger Hayter wrote:
long stretches of the same
road further West which are limited to 40mph or 50mph for no apparent
reason (few or no houses).

single carriageway limit is 50mph for anything over (3.5? 7.5?) tonnes

Its hell to get stuck behind a commercail looking out for his license

On this particular road, the main problem is commercial vehicles going
at 56mph on the short straight bits, 33mph on bends and even slower up
the hills.


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On 17/11/2017 19:23, Roger Hayter wrote:

Elsewhere in North/Mid Wales, eg the A483 from Welshpool to Shrewsbury,
long stretches of single carriageway are signed 60mph. I take it that
they either want to remind people what the national speed limit is, or
just remind people to keep within it.

I believe, from a friends experience[1], in that part of Wales they are
very strict in enforcing penalties for speeding in that they give zero
leeway over the limit plus 10%. Maybe in these areas the purpose is to
remind drivers so they have no excuse when caught speeding. I don't
know, but it may be a requirement to signpost the limit if mobile speed
cameras are being used in the area.

[1] When he went on his speed awareness course it was mentioned that
they had a lot of people caught on the Welsh side of the border for
speeds that they would have got away with 10 miles down the road in England


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Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

Yes, there's a reason. And it's a bit convoluted, so feel free to give
up part way :-)

That part of the A55 is a "Special Road". What's one of them? It's a
road that's not a highway - created by the Special Roads Act,
unsurprisingly. There's no general right to use it, utilities can't dig
it up, etc. Traffic is allowed to use it by an order which specfies what
types of traffic are allowed (unlike highways, which everyone can use
unless there's an order saying what traffic is *not* allowed). Most
Special Roads are Motorways, but some (like the A55) aren't.

Now, when the Act was created, it specified the speed limits for
Motorways, but failed to specify any default limit for other Special
Roads. The normal limits don't apply, since they only apply to highways.
So a specific limit has to be imposed and the correct sign displayed -
70, not NSL (which would mean "no limit" in this case).

If you want all the details, see
http://pathetic.org.uk/features/special_roads/

Mike

On 17-Nov-17 7:08 PM, Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?


It is that very rare beast - a non-motorway special road. Under the
special roads legislation, they have no speed limit, unless one is
specifically signed. At one time, motorways had 70mph signs at the start
of the motorway regulations, because of that. Later legislation amended
the special roads legislation, so that, unless otherwise signed,
motorways were subject to the national speed limit. Non-motorway special
roads were not included in that change, so still need 70mph signs where
that limit applies.


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In article ,
Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?


I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

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Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but they're
limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

Mike Humphrey Wrote in message:
Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

Yes, there's a reason. And it's a bit convoluted, so feel free to give
up part way :-)

That part of the A55 is a "Special Road". What's one of them? It's a
road that's not a highway - created by the Special Roads Act,
unsurprisingly. There's no general right to use it, utilities can't dig
it up, etc. Traffic is allowed to use it by an order which specfies what
types of traffic are allowed (unlike highways, which everyone can use
unless there's an order saying what traffic is *not* allowed). Most
Special Roads are Motorways, but some (like the A55) aren't.

Now, when the Act was created, it specified the speed limits for
Motorways, but failed to specify any default limit for other Special
Roads. The normal limits don't apply, since they only apply to highways.
So a specific limit has to be imposed and the correct sign displayed -
70, not NSL (which would mean "no limit" in this case).

If you want all the details, see
http://pathetic.org.uk/features/special_roads/

Mike


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On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but they're
limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.


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the ultimate consequences to which these principles will lead. They must
face it, then decide whether this is what they want or not.

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Well at the bottom of my road which is often so full of parked cars any
large vehicle would soon get stuck. The council has a huge picture of a
truck with a line through it and the Tonnage in both imperial and metric on
the sign. You still get them trying to come up the road cos their sat nave
tells them its a faster route to the M25.
I rest my case.
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"Murmansk" wrote in message
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On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?

The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Andy Burns wrote:

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but they're
limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

Though they don't apply to all HGV ...

On 18/11/17 10:44, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but they're
limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.


However the issue here is the vehicle limiters.

I believe two laws apply.



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On 18-Nov-17 10:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but they're
limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in England and
Wales is in breach of the construction and use regulations, which cover
the speed limiter, but is not exceeding the speed limit.

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On 18/11/17 11:05, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 10:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but they're
limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in England and
Wales is in breach of the construction and use regulations, which cover
the speed limiter, but is not exceeding the speed limit.

Its still a legal limit


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Nightjar wrote:

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in England and
Wales is in breach of the construction and use regulations, which cover
the speed limiter, but is not exceeding the speed limit.

In most cases ... not all vehicles have a 90kph limiter, depending on
fuel and age, some can still have 60mph limiters (e.g. older horseboxes
above 3.5t) other specialist vehicles e.g. emergency service vehicles
have not limiters.

On 18-Nov-17 11:15 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 11:05, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 10:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but
they're limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in England
and Wales is in breach of the construction and use regulations, which
cover the speed limiter, but is not exceeding the speed limit.

Its still a legal limit

It is a legally required speed limiter setting, which is not the same as
a legal speed limit. As I said, an LGV driver doing 60mph on a motorway
can't be charged with exceeding the speed limit.

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On 18/11/17 12:41, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 11:15 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 11:05, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 10:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but
they're limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in England
and Wales is in breach of the construction and use regulations, which
cover the speed limiter, but is not exceeding the speed limit.

Its still a legal limit

It is a legally required speed limiter setting, which is not the same as
a legal speed limit. As I said, an LGV driver doing 60mph on a motorway
can't be charged with exceeding the speed limit.

Did I ever suggest that he could?


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On 18-Nov-17 1:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 12:41, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 11:15 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 11:05, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 10:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but
they're limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in England
and Wales is in breach of the construction and use regulations,
which cover the speed limiter, but is not exceeding the speed limit.

Its still a legal limit

It is a legally required speed limiter setting, which is not the same
as a legal speed limit. As I said, an LGV driver doing 60mph on a
motorway can't be charged with exceeding the speed limit.

Did I ever suggest that he could?

Yes, by claiming that 90kph is a legal limit. That implies that
travelling faster than that is an offence, which it is not on UK motorways.

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"Dave Plowman (News)" wrote in message
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In article ,
Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?


I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

Fark, wota packa dinosaurs.

"jim" k wrote in message
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Mike Humphrey Wrote in message:
Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?

Yes, there's a reason. And it's a bit convoluted, so feel free to give
up part way :-)

That part of the A55 is a "Special Road". What's one of them? It's a
road that's not a highway - created by the Special Roads Act,
unsurprisingly. There's no general right to use it, utilities can't dig
it up, etc. Traffic is allowed to use it by an order which specfies what
types of traffic are allowed (unlike highways, which everyone can use
unless there's an order saying what traffic is *not* allowed). Most
Special Roads are Motorways, but some (like the A55) aren't.

Now, when the Act was created, it specified the speed limits for
Motorways, but failed to specify any default limit for other Special
Roads. The normal limits don't apply, since they only apply to highways.
So a specific limit has to be imposed and the correct sign displayed -
70, not NSL (which would mean "no limit" in this case).

If you want all the details, see
http://pathetic.org.uk/features/special_roads/

Mike


How wonderfully blitish :-D

Yeah, that was my reaction too. Wota packa ****wits
for not fixing the problem the only sensible way.

On Sat, 18 Nov 2017 10:11:38 +0000, Nightjar wrote:

It is that very rare beast - a non-motorway special road. Under the
special roads legislation, they have no speed limit, unless one is
specifically signed. At one time, motorways had 70mph signs at the start
of the motorway regulations, ...

They still do in Scotland.

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On 17/11/17 19:08, Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

http://www.cbrd.co.uk/motorway/a55

On 18/11/17 16:52, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 1:10 PM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 12:41, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 11:15 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 11:05, Nightjar wrote:
On 18-Nov-17 10:44 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 18/11/17 10:38, Andy Burns wrote:
Dave Plowman wrote:

Murmansk wrote:

It occurred to me that it MIGHT have something to do with that
road
being used by foreign lorry drivers coming from Holyhead?

I'd hope not. Lorries in the UK are restricted to 58 mph.

I thought the legal limit on motorways for HGV was 60mph, but
they're limited by EU regulations to 90kph=56mph ?

EU regulations ARE a legal limit. Until we leave the EU.

An LGV doing 60mph on a motorway or on a dual carriageway in
England and Wales is in breach of the construction and use
regulations, which cover the speed limiter, but is not exceeding
the speed limit.

Its still a legal limit

It is a legally required speed limiter setting, which is not the same
as a legal speed limit. As I said, an LGV driver doing 60mph on a
motorway can't be charged with exceeding the speed limit.

Did I ever suggest that he could?

Yes, by claiming that 90kph is a legal limit.

It is.

Just a not a speed limit as such

That implies that
travelling faster than that is an offence, which it is not on UK motorways.

Ot is an offence as you pointed out agianst constructiuon and use .


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"jim" k wrote in message
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"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:


"jim" k wrote in message
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Mike Humphrey Wrote in message:
Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with
a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being
a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry
drivers
coming from Holyhead?

Yes, there's a reason. And it's a bit convoluted, so feel free to give
up part way :-)

That part of the A55 is a "Special Road". What's one of them? It's a
road that's not a highway - created by the Special Roads Act,
unsurprisingly. There's no general right to use it, utilities can't dig
it up, etc. Traffic is allowed to use it by an order which specfies
what
types of traffic are allowed (unlike highways, which everyone can use
unless there's an order saying what traffic is *not* allowed). Most
Special Roads are Motorways, but some (like the A55) aren't.

Now, when the Act was created, it specified the speed limits for
Motorways, but failed to specify any default limit for other Special
Roads. The normal limits don't apply, since they only apply to
highways.
So a specific limit has to be imposed and the correct sign displayed -
70, not NSL (which would mean "no limit" in this case).

If you want all the details, see
http://pathetic.org.uk/features/special_roads/

Mike


How wonderfully blitish :-D

Yeah, that was my reaction too. Wota packa ****wits
for not fixing the problem the only sensible way.



Transportation.... Sorts all sorts....

Nope, leaves the incompetent dregs like you that can't even
work out what timber is needed for a lean to garage roof.

"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:


"jim" k wrote in message
...
Mike Humphrey Wrote in message:
Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?

Yes, there's a reason. And it's a bit convoluted, so feel free to give
up part way :-)

That part of the A55 is a "Special Road". What's one of them? It's a
road that's not a highway - created by the Special Roads Act,
unsurprisingly. There's no general right to use it, utilities can't dig
it up, etc. Traffic is allowed to use it by an order which specfies what
types of traffic are allowed (unlike highways, which everyone can use
unless there's an order saying what traffic is *not* allowed). Most
Special Roads are Motorways, but some (like the A55) aren't.

Now, when the Act was created, it specified the speed limits for
Motorways, but failed to specify any default limit for other Special
Roads. The normal limits don't apply, since they only apply to highways.
So a specific limit has to be imposed and the correct sign displayed -
70, not NSL (which would mean "no limit" in this case).

If you want all the details, see
http://pathetic.org.uk/features/special_roads/

Mike


How wonderfully blitish :-D

Yeah, that was my reaction too. Wota packa ****wits
for not fixing the problem the only sensible way.



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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:21:18 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

travelling faster than that is an offence, which it is not on UK motorways.

Ot is an offence as you pointed out agianst constructiuon and use .

Like anyone gives a **** about 4mph over anything.

You HAD to "grace" also THIS thread with your insuperable idiocy, eh,
Birdbrain?

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have 15% of the vote. If 75% of that 15% stop voting for them because they
don't want it legalised, they're down to 3.75%. But 25% of the 85% who
didn't previously vote for them, change their mind due to this policy, they
gain 21.25%, giving them a total of 25%, well up from 15%."
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On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 21:21:57 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson"),
the pathological attention whore of all the uk ngs, blathered again:

FLUSH idiot's inevitable drivel

--
Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson") about himself:
"I can sleep outside in a temperature of -20C wearing only shorts".
"I once took a dump behind some bushes and slid down a hill to wipe my
arse".
(Courtesy of Mr Pounder)

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in France. What's
the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs meant
"derestricted". They didn't want to change all the signs when they
brought in the national speed limit.


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Roger Hayter

On 24/11/2017 23:33, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 22:43:30 -0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk
wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there
being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in France.
What's
the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs meant
"derestricted".** They didn't want to change all the signs when they
brought in the national speed limit.

But they might aswell put in the proper number when they put up new
ones.* They change limits so bloody often (100 times more often than the
national limit), so they might aswell.

The meaning of the "derestriction" sign varies - I think it's 70 for
dual carriageways and 60 for single. Also sometimes they change the
meaning temporarily, such as in the 70s when it meant 50 mph (I think)
for a while when fuel was in short supply.

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Max Demian

On 25/11/2017 13:19, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 13:11:49 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 24/11/2017 23:33, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 22:43:30 -0000, Roger Hayter
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk
wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle
with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there
being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it
MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry
drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in France.
What's
the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs meant
"derestricted".** They didn't want to change all the signs when they
brought in the national speed limit.

But they might aswell put in the proper number when they put up new
ones.* They change limits so bloody often (100 times more often than the
national limit), so they might aswell.

The meaning of the "derestriction" sign varies - I think it's 70 for
dual carriageways and 60 for single.

What's wrong with a 60 or 70 sign?* In France it's quite clear, you go
on a motorway and it says "110".

Maybe they didn't fancy changing thousands of signs when they brought
the national speed limits in.

--
Max Demian

On 26/11/2017 12:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:43:00 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 25/11/2017 13:19, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 13:11:49 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 24/11/2017 23:33, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 22:43:30 -0000, Roger Hayter
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk
wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle
with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there
being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black
sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it
MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry
drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in France.
What's
the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs meant
"derestricted".** They didn't want to change all the signs when they
brought in the national speed limit.

But they might aswell put in the proper number when they put up new
ones.* They change limits so bloody often (100 times more often
than the
national limit), so they might aswell.

The meaning of the "derestriction" sign varies - I think it's 70 for
dual carriageways and 60 for single.

What's wrong with a 60 or 70 sign?* In France it's quite clear, you go
on a motorway and it says "110".

Maybe they didn't fancy changing thousands of signs when they brought
the national speed limits in.

Firstly, why did they use NSL signs in the first place?

Because most people aren't familiar with the infinity symbol.

Secondly, why when putting a up a new sign don't they just use the
number, since the NSL has changed only once.

That would be confusing to have two styles of sign that mean the same thing.

--
Max Demian

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:43:00 -0000, Max Demian wrote:

On 25/11/2017 13:19, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 13:11:49 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 24/11/2017 23:33, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 22:43:30 -0000, Roger Hayter
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk
wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there are
stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's shown by a
conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a red circle
with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there
being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it
MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry
drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in France.
What's
the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs meant
"derestricted". They didn't want to change all the signs when they
brought in the national speed limit.

But they might aswell put in the proper number when they put up new
ones. They change limits so bloody often (100 times more often than the
national limit), so they might aswell.

The meaning of the "derestriction" sign varies - I think it's 70 for
dual carriageways and 60 for single.

What's wrong with a 60 or 70 sign? In France it's quite clear, you go
on a motorway and it says "110".

Maybe they didn't fancy changing thousands of signs when they brought
the national speed limits in.

Firstly, why did they use NSL signs in the first place?

Because there wasn't a national speed limit, and the sign meant "no
speed limit".




Secondly, why when putting a up a new sign don't they just use the number,
since the NSL has changed only once.


--

Roger Hayter

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 13:44:35 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 26/11/2017 12:44, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:43:00 -0000, Max Demian

wrote:

On 25/11/2017 13:19, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Sat, 25 Nov
2017 13:11:49 -0000, Max Demian wrote:
On 24/11/2017 23:33, James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Fri, 24 Nov
2017 22:43:30 -0000, Roger Hayter wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote: On Fri, 17
Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk wrote:
On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay
there are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's
shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in a
red circle with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of there
being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black
sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50 sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that it
MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry
drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in France.
What's
the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs
meant "derestricted". They didn't want to change all the signs
when they brought in the national speed limit.

But they might aswell put in the proper number when they put up new
ones. They change limits so bloody often (100 times more often
than the
national limit), so they might aswell.

The meaning of the "derestriction" sign varies - I think it's 70 for
dual carriageways and 60 for single.

What's wrong with a 60 or 70 sign? In France it's quite clear, you go
on a motorway and it says "110".

Maybe they didn't fancy changing thousands of signs when they brought
the national speed limits in.

Firstly, why did they use NSL signs in the first place?

Because most people aren't familiar with the infinity symbol.

We don't have an infinite speed limit in this country. And everybody
knows what infinity means, probably a lot more than a circle with a
diagonal line, which only exists on roadsigns.


Well we did. Although I believe the police did not approve of FTL
speeds in practice.


Secondly, why when putting a up a new sign don't they just use the
number, since the NSL has changed only once.

That would be confusing to have two styles of sign that mean the same thing.

No it wouldn't. Everybody knows if they see a sign with a red circle and
a number on it, you're to keep to that speed.


--

Roger Hayter

In article , James Wilkinson Sword
wrote:
On Sun, 26 Nov 2017 15:36:55 -0000, Roger Hayter wrote:

James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:43:00 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 25/11/2017 13:19, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 13:11:49 -0000, Max Demian
wrote:

On 24/11/2017 23:33, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 24 Nov 2017 22:43:30 -0000, Roger Hayter
wrote:
James Wilkinson Sword wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 19:08:10 -0000, Murmansk
wrote:

On the A55 in North Wales near LLandudno and Colwyn Bay there
are stretches where it has a 50mph speed limit and that's
shown by a conventional circular sign with 50 written on it in
a red circle
with a
white background.

What puzzles me is that when the 50 limit ends instead of
there
being a
National Speed Limit Applies sign (white circle with a black
sloping
bar
through it) they have a 70 sign in the same style as the 50
sign.

Is there any specific reason for this? It occurred to me that
it
MIGHT
have something to do with that road being used by foreign lorry
drivers
coming from Holyhead?

They should all just have the speed limit, like they do in
France. What's the point in having an NSL sign?

For some years there was no national speed limit and the signs
meant "derestricted". They didn't want to change all the signs
when they brought in the national speed limit.

But they might aswell put in the proper number when they put up
new ones. They change limits so bloody often (100 times more
often than the national limit), so they might aswell.

The meaning of the "derestriction" sign varies - I think it's 70
for dual carriageways and 60 for single.

What's wrong with a 60 or 70 sign? In France it's quite clear, you
go on a motorway and it says "110".

Maybe they didn't fancy changing thousands of signs when they
brought the national speed limits in.

Firstly, why did they use NSL signs in the first place?

Because there wasn't a national speed limit, and the sign meant "no
speed limit".

Then once we got a speed limit, they should have just used numbers for
any new or replacement signs.

Secondly, why when putting a up a new sign don't they just use the
number, since the NSL has changed only once.



Except that the limits are different for cars, busses & lorries

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from KT24 in Surrey, England