I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.

Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?

AJH

On 20/10/17 10:01, wrote:
I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.

Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?



Nip around to the newsagents and buy the latest Linux magazine with a
free DVD on the cover. The flavour of Linux is not important. Boot it up
as a "live" Linux in the machine's optical drive or from an external
drive - you don't have to install anything but you may have to change
the boot order in the BIOS to do this or interrupt the boot on switch-on
(dabbing at f9 during boot-up does it for me with my HP machines.) If
they are still intact, you may be able to see the files and their
contents and copy them onto a memory stick or external HDD using the
Linux OS.

Good luck

Nick

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:01:03 +0100, wrote:

I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.

Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?

If you did want to have a go yourself the first thing I recommend you
do is take an image of the drive (various way of doing that) and then
playing with that. Then, if all else fails or you make things worse,
you still have the original drive to send away.

Ten, you can even run stuff like Chkdsk to see if there are any basic
filesystem type faults or Testdisk to copy recover the data etc.

A simple way to clone a drive is with one of the small desktop drive
cloning units (~25 quid on ebay) when you just plug the master into
one bay and the destination drive (bigger or the same size as the
original) into the other and press a button (do be very sure you get
them the right way round re Master and Slave though!!!!).

cough Backups? [1] ;-(

Cheers, T i m

[1] It's because I know how 'lazy' we all are (here at home) re
backups I made sure that was covered and pretty cheaply at the time
with a Windows Home Server (about 50 quid for the OS at the time).
Stick it on an old PC and it backs up all your PC's daily and
automatically without anyone having to do a thing ... and given 'most
people' (especially those who have ever lost a lot of data) don't
generally bother backing stuff up (other than in the cloud possibly
these days), it has proved invaluable.

You can restore anything from a single file to a complete bootable
system.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:34:29 +0100, T i m wrote:

Windows Home Server (about 50 quid for the OS at the time)

Some offers of a download/key for £15 or so on eBay at the moment -
prob have to run it on XP/Vista though - just a thought.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 11:44:02 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:34:29 +0100, T i m wrote:

Windows Home Server (about 50 quid for the OS at the time)

Some offers of a download/key for £15 or so on eBay at the moment -
prob have to run it on XP/Vista though - just a thought.

WHS (retrospectively referred to as V1) is actually Windows Server
2003 behind the user 'Dashboard', and the second (and last) version
(WHS 2011, go figure) is built on Windows Server 2008 (all from
memory).

So, they are both stand-alone / commercial Server OS's that have been
tweaked to make them user friendly for home use.

Basically both will support a maximum of 10 'Users' (that could be
shared) and / or machines (unique, for backups) and are very easy to
setup (you boot the CD and then follow the prompts). ;-)

We have used it (V1) in earnest at least a couple of times in the
checks 2418 days it's been online now. Both times the hdd failed in
the wife's PC and I stuck a new one in, booted the generic client
recovery CD, selected her account to recover off the server (all
wizard based) and around 40 minutes later she was all back up and
running exactly as she was the day before. ;-)

Initially I tried to build a file / backup server using Linux but
after wasting several days I gave up, spent the 50 quid and WHS was up
and running a few hours later. ;-)

I have also recommended it to a few mates with small businesses and
they are all equally happy (considering the cost and complexity of any
alternatives that offer the same features).

The server backs up the clients then can backup both itself (and the
client backups) onto another drive (I have a USB / removable). The
server can be recovered in a similar way to the clients, using a
recovery CD.

Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 20/10/17 10:01, wrote:
I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.

Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?

AJH

Before you do anything, boot your computer from a live Linux CD and copy
the raw disk of the USB thing onto a file on the computers main hard
drive. Then run fsck on the drive image copy, then mount the drive IMAGE
and if the data is there, copy it somewhere..

Here is a rough guide how to do it

https://www.novell.com/support/kb/doc.php?id=7009629

fsck should recognise a FAT drive or NTFS automnatically

Then thrwo the USB in the junk. Unless you unplugged it just after files
were added without waiting for it to update the internal FAT structure.




--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

On 20/10/17 12:27, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 11:44:02 +0100, mechanic
wrote:

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 10:34:29 +0100, T i m wrote:

Windows Home Server (about 50 quid for the OS at the time)

Some offers of a download/key for £15 or so on eBay at the moment -
prob have to run it on XP/Vista though - just a thought.

WHS (retrospectively referred to as V1) is actually Windows Server
2003 behind the user 'Dashboard', and the second (and last) version
(WHS 2011, go figure) is built on Windows Server 2008 (all from
memory).

So, they are both stand-alone / commercial Server OS's that have been
tweaked to make them user friendly for home use.

Basically both will support a maximum of 10 'Users' (that could be
shared) and / or machines (unique, for backups) and are very easy to
setup (you boot the CD and then follow the prompts). ;-)

We have used it (V1) in earnest at least a couple of times in the
checks 2418 days it's been online now. Both times the hdd failed in
the wife's PC and I stuck a new one in, booted the generic client
recovery CD, selected her account to recover off the server (all
wizard based) and around 40 minutes later she was all back up and
running exactly as she was the day before. ;-)

Initially I tried to build a file / backup server using Linux but
after wasting several days I gave up, spent the 50 quid and WHS was up
and running a few hours later. ;-)

I have also recommended it to a few mates with small businesses and
they are all equally happy (considering the cost and complexity of any
alternatives that offer the same features).

The server backs up the clients then can backup both itself (and the
client backups) onto another drive (I have a USB / removable). The
server can be recovered in a similar way to the clients, using a
recovery CD.

Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(


Because linux is free and works better?

Cheers, T i m




--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:31:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(


Because linux is free

Whilst Linux can be free, my time isn't always (depending on what I'm
doing).

and works better?

As a general file server, I'm sure it's ok.

As an easy to configure fully automated backup solution for all our
Windows PC's and laptops, not to me it wasn't.

And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually
'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it
actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it
would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and
have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.

eg, Once a day, a bare iron incremental (and fully retention time
configurable) backup using shadow copies (so no open files are
skipped) and where no files are duplicated on the server if common
across all 10 client machines (saving server space). A bare iron image
that I can recover using a few mouse clicks from a generic recovery
CD.

Where the total server drive capacity can be created using a drive
pool yet each drive could still be accessed individually and were
critical data can (optionally) be forced to be duplicated across more
than one drive.

And assuming I value my time at £25/hour, something I can setup in two
hours without having to learn anything?

Cheers, T i m

On 20/10/2017 12:27, T i m wrote:

Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(

Cheers, T i m



Couldn't compete with NAS drives I expect.

I use synology NAS drives (cheap 215j).
file history saves the changes every 10 minutes (or less)
Then the NAS backs it up, with versioning, to another NAS overnight.
The NAS drives are mirrored too.

That way I can recover any file version up to six months old.

On 20/10/2017 13:19, T i m wrote:


And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually
'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it
actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it
would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and
have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.

Win10 will do file history to a "linux" server.
What you do once you have one copy on the server is the interesting bit
as its not a backup yet.

My servers are linux based but I don't actually need to SSH into them to
do anything.

But then its a system designed for a job not a linux desktop.

That usually needs a reliable fat table though of whatever format. I think
these are duplicated, but if its an old table it might get confused.
Brian

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Wrote in message:
I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.

Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?

AJH


I've had some success with Recuva.

Tim
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:22:12 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 13:19, T i m wrote:


And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually
'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it
actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it
would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and
have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.

Win10 will do file history to a "linux" server.

Does that provide an automatic and complete 'bare iron' recovery
solution with the least amount of effort?

What you do once you have one copy on the server is the interesting bit
as its not a backup yet.

Ok.

My servers are linux based but I don't actually need to SSH into them to
do anything.

Ok.

But then its a system designed for a job not a linux desktop.


Ok.

If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:17:38 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 12:27, T i m wrote:

Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(


Couldn't compete with NAS drives I expect.

Whilst I agree for those looking for some sort of network shared
space, I question what percentage of the population have any sort of
clue re networked storage etc? The number of times I see people moving
files from one (networked) PC to another using Pen drives when a
simple network share would do it?

I use synology NAS drives (cheap 215j).
file history saves the changes every 10 minutes (or less)

That's quite 'regular'. ;-)

Then the NAS backs it up, with versioning, to another NAS overnight.
The NAS drives are mirrored too.

Not yer everyday consumer setup though eh?

And can you do a bare Iron recovery of any machine with that? The
point that whist the user date is most important, much of that *can*
be in the cloud these days (or spread around on Facebook etc) it can
still take quite a while to re-install the OS and all the apps and
prefs (assuming someone without a proper backup regime wouldn't know
how to back all that up either).

That way I can recover any file version up to six months old.

Cool.

Cheers, T i m

On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small simple
script.




--
"When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics."

Josef Stalin

On 20/10/17 17:08, T i m wrote:
And can you do a bare Iron recovery of any machine with that?

Why would you want to? If its a hardware issue, you need new bare iron,
and if it was a software issue, you are putting the same **** back to
fail again.

Asssuming you actually are running legal sofwtare, you only need your
data back - you can reinstall everything else on new iron



--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On 20/10/2017 17:00, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:22:12 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 13:19, T i m wrote:


And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually
'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it
actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it
would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and
have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.

Win10 will do file history to a "linux" server.

Does that provide an automatic and complete 'bare iron' recovery
solution with the least amount of effort?

It can but its a bit quicker to have a disk image to install too.
It can be out of date.
I have one on a USB stick.
You can even download the latest ISO and start with that if you want.

On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small simple
script.

Which is exactly why people don't do it!

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:28:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Before you do anything, boot your computer from a live Linux CD and copy
the raw disk of the USB thing onto a file on the computers main hard
drive.

No need as mint17 runs the xp vm I post from.

I can read the files with linux but my brother swears there is a
folder missing so I'll do as you say when I have a moment to dig into
the depths of my brain and run the command line without destroying
everything.

AJH

On 20/10/17 21:33, wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 12:28:44 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Before you do anything, boot your computer from a live Linux CD and copy
the raw disk of the USB thing onto a file on the computers main hard
drive.

No need as mint17 runs the xp vm I post from.

I can read the files with linux but my brother swears there is a
folder missing so I'll do as you say when I have a moment to dig into
the depths of my brain and run the command line without destroying
everything.

Copy what is there fisrt

Then

- unmount the drive
- run fsck on it

That is make or break

OTOH if your brother accidentally deleted the directory....

AJH



--
Theres a mighty big difference between good, sound reasons and reasons
that sound good.

Burton Hillis (William Vaughn, American columnist)

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:45:35 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 20/10/17 17:08, T i m wrote:
And can you do a bare Iron recovery of any machine with that?

Why would you want to?

What's this, an actual open minded question?

If its a hardware issue, you need new bare iron,

Of course ... (and then restore your data)

and if it was a software issue, you are putting the same **** back to
fail again.

Quite.

Asssuming you actually are running legal sofwtare,

Yup.

you only need your
data back - you can reinstall everything else on new iron

Oh dear, poor blinkered TNP. What is one of the lest reliable
components in a PC? Ok, I'll help you out here, the HDD. So, if the
HDD fails (and it has on the Mrs's PC twice since I've been running
the WHS), it's a very quick and easy task to recover the entire system
onto a new HDD!

There, that's another thing you have learned today. ;-)

(I fully understand though that the best way to hide any deficiencies
in Linux is to deny you or anyone else would ever need such a thing
..... then, when it finally catches up and *can* do it (like support
Steam or offer in place upgrades or you never know, automatic updates
....) you suddenly tout it as the best thing since sliced bread!)

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:09:18 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small simple
script.

Which is exactly why people don't do it!

Bingo.

Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that
sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that
sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to
them.

So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing
their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing
if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS
and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a
WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And,
they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after
being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a
solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have
to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends,
family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign
yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI
gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)

All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the
desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well
unknown to anyone.

Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because
it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non
starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make
it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for
all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday
solution.

Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 21/10/2017 14:45, T i m wrote:


Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

He gets away with it because his socks run the windows apps.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:15:33 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 21/10/2017 14:45, T i m wrote:


Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

He gets away with it because his socks run the windows apps.

LOL (it takes all sorts I guess).

Cheers, T i m

On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:08:25 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 17:00, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:22:12 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 13:19, T i m wrote:


And I would be very interested to hear from someone who actually
'knows Linux' (so not you as you are just full of bluster when it
actually comes down to it) to confirm just how easy / possible it
would be to duplicate the functionality I currently use and enjoy (and
have done for the last 6+ years) using Linux.

Win10 will do file history to a "linux" server.

Does that provide an automatic and complete 'bare iron' recovery
solution with the least amount of effort?

It can but its a bit quicker to have a disk image to install too.

Which is effectively what the WHS gives me.

It can be out of date.

As can the WHS, by a day. ;-)

I have one on a USB stick.

I also have Ghost images of machines I might want an additional
snapshot. Like if I've got a fresh laptop with a factory recovery
partition and I may want to use the whole drive for something (and so
be able to restore it easily later etc).

You can even download the latest ISO and start with that if you want.

I generally do and have a whole collection of Lini going back from
when it first because useable (without having to be a geek) so from
about Ubuntu 6 onwards.

I even put Mint Cinnamon 18.2 64 bit on my Yumi Multiboot pen stick
yesterday (another very handy but Windows only app, so that includes
running it under WINE or a Windows VM for all those Windows users in
denial). ;-)

https://www.pendrivelinux.com/yumi-m...t-usb-creator/

Cheers, T i m

On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:34:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Copy what is there fisrt

In progress, had to make space on sda2

I wish it had a progress indicator

Then

- unmount the drive
- run fsck on it

That is make or break

OTOH if your brother accidentally deleted the directory....

He may well have or moved it inadvertently but even so I should be
able to undelete it I thought.

AJH

On 21/10/17 14:45, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:09:18 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small simple
script.

Which is exactly why people don't do it!

Bingo.

Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that
sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that
sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to
them.

So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing
their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing
if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS
and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a
WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And,
they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after
being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a
solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have
to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends,
family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign
yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI
gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)

All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the
desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well
unknown to anyone.

Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because
it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non
starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make
it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for
all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday
solution.

Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

What a wonderful display of envy and stupdity and venom to be sure.

All I have to say is that the OP is in the mess he is in because he runs
windows.

He needs more than a command line to get him out. Much more.

If you want to live in a country and run computer sofrware thar has only
one ultimate purpose - to separate you from the fruits of your labours
and keep you enslaved in a commercial system run by people who despise
you, hell vote remain and run Microsoft Windows




--
You can get much farther with a kind word and a gun than you can with a
kind word alone.

Al Capone

On 21/10/17 17:57, T i m wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 17:15:33 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 21/10/2017 14:45, T i m wrote:


Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

He gets away with it because his socks run the windows apps.

LOL (it takes all sorts I guess).

Cheers, T i m

Of course if I had to run one I would eschew windows completely.


The magic of Linux is that I dont have to.

But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists



--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

On 21/10/17 22:32, wrote:
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017 11:34:34 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

Copy what is there fisrt

In progress, had to make space on sda2

I wish it had a progress indicator

Then

- unmount the drive
- run fsck on it

That is make or break

OTOH if your brother accidentally deleted the directory....

He may well have or moved it inadvertently but even so I should be
able to undelete it I thought.


Why would you think that?

AJH



--
New Socialism consists essentially in being seen to have your heart in
the right place whilst your head is in the clouds and your hand is in
someone else's pocket.

T i m posted
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 16:17:38 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 12:27, T i m wrote:

Why MS stopped making it I don't know. ;-(


Couldn't compete with NAS drives I expect.

Whilst I agree for those looking for some sort of network shared
space, I question what percentage of the population have any sort of
clue re networked storage etc? The number of times I see people moving
files from one (networked) PC to another using Pen drives when a
simple network share would do it?

Simple network shares don't always work between different versions of
Windows, though.

--
Jack

On 22/10/2017 09:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/10/17 14:45, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:09:18 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small
simple
script.

Which is exactly why people don't do it!

Bingo.

Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that
sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that
sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to
them.

So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing
their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing
if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS
and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a
WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And,
they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after
being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a
solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have
to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends,
family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign
yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI
gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)

All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the
desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well
unknown to anyone.

Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because
it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non
starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make
it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for
all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday
solution.

Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

What a wonderful display of envy and stupdity and venom to be sure.

All I have to say is that the OP is in the mess he is in because he runs
windows.

He needs more than a command line to get him out. Much more.

If you want to live in a country and run computer sofrware thar has only
one ultimate purpose - to separate you from the fruits of your labours
and keep you enslaved in a commercial system run by people who despise
you, hell vote remain and run Microsoft Windows

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Of course if I had to run one I would eschew windows completely.

Course you would.


The magic of Linux is that I dont have to.

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.

The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real
technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google
to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then
run away crying. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:24:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

snip

snip

If you want to live in a country and run computer sofrware thar has only
one ultimate purpose - to separate you from the fruits of your labours
and keep you enslaved in a commercial system run by people who despise
you, hell vote remain and run Microsoft Windows

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

Yes he does, and he runs it under a Windows VM and actually believes
that means he isn't running Windows!!

I run OSX, Windows XP, 7, 8.1 (on one Laptop) , WHS V1 and 2011 (So WS
2003/8), W10 and several eras, distros and DE's of Linux and Android
(that isn't GNU/Linux, it just runs on the Linux kernel, just as my TV
and router do).

So, I *know* very well what all of them can and can't do and how easy
it is for me to fix / recover / update any of them.

I've been in IT most of my life and that includes me playing with PC
hardware and the OS's that make them useful. All I know is that there
are few things I can do on Linux (that I actually *want / need to do*)
that I can't easier do on Windows .. or in some cases, can *only* do
in Windows.

Now, the std reply to that from the LinuxBorg is not to use / do those
things! Talk about the tail wagging the dog!

I would love to be able to stick Linux on my little Acer Aspire
(touchscreen) V5 Netbook [1] and run up the car diagnostics software
(ForScan or OpCom) but they are Windows only. Same with updating my
Garmin GPS and a myriad of stuff that is only officially supported on
/ with Windows but you might get lucky if someone in a shed has
cobbled together an unsupported driver to allow the LinuxBorg to be
able to use some of it as well.

And try looking for 'Linux Compatible' hardware in your local PC shop
.... of getting someone to sort out a problem on Linux for you.

I've been in the game for nearly 40 years and I still don't know
personally of a single Linux users who could actually fix most of my
Linux problems. Actually ... maybe that is more about the sort of
people I'm likely to make a friend. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

[1] I actually have it dual booting W7 with Mint 18 Mate and it mostly
works (inc the touchscreen) but whilst the trackpad X axis movement is
good (one sweep of the pad = the mouse covering the width of the
screen) the Y axis is way less?

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:12:40 +0100, Handsome Jack
wrote:

snip

Whilst I agree for those looking for some sort of network shared
space, I question what percentage of the population have any sort of
clue re networked storage etc? The number of times I see people moving
files from one (networked) PC to another using Pen drives when a
simple network share would do it?

Simple network shares don't always work between different versions of
Windows, though.

They can though, if you know what you are doing (as I have shares in
all sorts of directions here going between everything from XP to W10
etc).

The biggest problem I have is making sense of Linux shares. I have an
OMV file server running here on a RiPi3 / 3TB Laptop drive and I must
have wasted *hours* trying to make logical sense of the shares and
permissions etc. And I was a CNI (Certified Novell Instructor) and ran
several servers at work and so fairly conversant with the concepts of
such things.

I love it on a Linux Client when you get the 'Share' option and it
goes off and sorts out all the background stuff for you, very much
like earlier Windows etc). ;-)

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sunday, 22 October 2017 13:47:50 UTC+1, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:12:40 +0100, Handsome Jack
wrote:

snip

Whilst I agree for those looking for some sort of network shared
space, I question what percentage of the population have any sort of
clue re networked storage etc? The number of times I see people moving
files from one (networked) PC to another using Pen drives when a
simple network share would do it?

Simple network shares don't always work between different versions of
Windows, though.

They can though, if you know what you are doing (as I have shares in
all sorts of directions here going between everything from XP to W10
etc).

The biggest problem I have is making sense of Linux shares. I have an
OMV file server running here on a RiPi3 / 3TB Laptop drive and I must
have wasted *hours* trying to make logical sense of the shares and
permissions etc. And I was a CNI (Certified Novell Instructor) and ran
several servers at work and so fairly conversant with the concepts of
such things.

I love it on a Linux Client when you get the 'Share' option and it
goes off and sorts out all the background stuff for you, very much
like earlier Windows etc). ;-)

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

When windows doesn't work you need to fix it, or discover no fix is known.
When linux doesn't work you can just change distro. It saves time & hassle.
I can't think of anything that would tempt me back to windows. Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and when it doesn't it's easier to sort out.


NT

On 22/10/2017 14:20, wrote:

When windows doesn't work you need to fix it, or discover no fix is
known. When linux doesn't work you can just change distro. It saves
time & hassle. I can't think of anything that would tempt me back to
windows. Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and
when it doesn't it's easier to sort out.

IME if windows doesn't work its the hardware.
When there is a serious windows bug someone will be working to fix it.

When there is a linux bug you may well have to fix it yourself.
This is beyond 99.9% of users so they are in the same boat as windows
users who need someone else to fix it.

Windows has lots of automated tools that will fix problems these days.

On Friday, October 20, 2017 at 4:30:58 PM UTC+1, Brian Gaff wrote:
That usually needs a reliable fat table though of whatever format. I think
these are duplicated, but if its an old table it might get confused.
Brian

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"Tim+" wrote in message
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Wrote in message:
I have a usb3 1TB Hitachi hdd with which I have a problem, the drive
is recognised and the folders are all, bar one, displayed in the pick
table but all the folder contents appear empty. I suspect the table
shown is a previous one and hence the pointers are mis directing. The
disk properties show 180GB used.

Before I send it away to a data recovery firm is there anything simple
I can do to recover files?

AJH


I've had some success with Recuva.

Tim
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One of my friends had an external hard drive, with loads of work resources on it. The technicians at work had a go at getting the data off. They failed and I was given a shot. I plugged the drive into a machine running UBUNTU and I could see and copy the files, as if they had been working all the time. It was too easy, I had to check with her that they were the actual files she was after.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

snip

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)


When windows doesn't work you need to fix it,

Of course, same as anything that can be broken I guess?

or discover no fix is known.

Whilst it's entirely possible, I can't think of the last time I
discovered such. The reason being, pretty well *every* piece of
hardware and software is created with Windows in mind, then, OSX, then
(and if you are lucky), Linux. But what Linux, what distro with what
kernel with what desktop etc etc. I've downloaded many a Windows app
that states it's compatible with Wxp to W10, 32/64 bit. With Linux you
often have at least 4 main choices (to make), of not many more. And
you can also 'build it yourself', but I can't think many who would be
able to and again, the 'instructions' (as required by anyone who isn't
a LinuxBorg or programmer etc) are only for that distro and that
kernel and that DE etc etc.


When linux doesn't work you can just change distro.

What, from say Mint to Ubuntu ... or Debian etc? And then you find the
tools you just started getting used to don't exist on that distro and
when you install them they bring in loads of other cruft or
duplications that you really didn't want.

It saves time & hassle.

Oh, you mean 'Reinstalling your OS from scratch'? Isn't that what we
are told we have to do with Windows?

I can't think of anything that would tempt me back to windows.

I'm not aware of anyone who is trying to. ;-)

Linux just works way more of the time

'For you' ... but then if all you need is a web terminal and
typewriter, then so it should!

than win ever did, and when it doesn't it's easier to sort out.

Well, you are lucky to have the time, skill and interest to be able
to. I'd rather not need to in the first place are rarely ever need to
with Windows (for the reasons stated above).

Can't remember actually seeing a 'Designed for Linux' sticker on any
hardware or software in any shop (although such may well exist).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUk1yNVeEI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KFKxlYNfT_o

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 08:16:03 -0700 (PDT), misterroy
wrote:

snip

One of my friends had an external hard drive, with loads of work resources on it. The technicians at work had a go at getting the data off. They failed and I was given a shot. I plugged the drive into a machine running UBUNTU and I could see and copy the files, as if they had been working all the time. It was too easy, I had to check with her that they were the actual files she was after.

;-)

I've done the same a few times by putting a drive into a USB 'desktop
caddy' plugged into a Linux system and in fact, set the local PC shop
with such a system for those drives that Windows didn't like (or even
a LiveDVD/USB and another USB drive (or DVDRW if running from USB) to
dump the files on).

As you say, 'very easy' when it works like that. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 22/10/17 12:24, Fredxxx wrote:
On 22/10/2017 09:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/10/17 14:45, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:09:18 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux
server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it. You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small
simple
script.

Which is exactly why people don't do it!

Bingo.

Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that
sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that
sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to
them.

So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing
their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing
if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS
and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a
WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And,
they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after
being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a
solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have
to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends,
family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign
yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI
gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)

All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the
desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well
unknown to anyone.

Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because
it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non
starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make
it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for
all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday
solution.

Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

What a wonderful display of envy and stupdity and venom to be sure.

All I have to say is that the OP is in the mess he is in because he
runs windows.

He needs more than a command line to get him out. Much more.

If you want to live in a country and run computer sofrware thar has
only one ultimate purpose - to separate you from the fruits of your
labours and keep you enslaved in a commercial system run by people who
despise you, hell vote remain and run Microsoft Windows

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

None that I use on a daily basis. Or even a weekly basis.

I have no need for it.


--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler

On 22/10/17 13:08, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Of course if I had to run one I would eschew windows completely.

Course you would.


The magic of Linux is that I dont have to.

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

Why are you so thick?

I dont have to run just one operatong system, I can run two

Thanks to Linux.




But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.

Thats fine, but then they complain that itsbuggy, unstable, full of
security flaws, slow and doesnt back itself up and can destroy hard drives.

I am merely pointing out that there is an alternative.




The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real
technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google
to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then
run away crying. ;-(


I am too polite to say why you have linux problems T i m,
Cheers, T i m



--
How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think.

Adolf Hitler