On 22/10/17 13:39, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:24:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

snip

snip

If you want to live in a country and run computer sofrware thar has only
one ultimate purpose - to separate you from the fruits of your labours
and keep you enslaved in a commercial system run by people who despise
you, hell vote remain and run Microsoft Windows

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

Yes he does, and he runs it under a Windows VM and actually believes
that means he isn't running Windows!!

No, I run it inside a Linux VM, and freely admit that means I am running
two operating systrems. Is English not your native langgueage?



I run OSX, Windows XP, 7, 8.1 (on one Laptop) , WHS V1 and 2011 (So WS
2003/8), W10 and several eras, distros and DE's of Linux and Android
(that isn't GNU/Linux, it just runs on the Linux kernel, just as my TV
and router do).


OK...

So, I *know* very well what all of them can and can't do and how easy
it is for me to fix / recover / update any of them.

And yet fromn your frequent whinges its clear you do NOT know what they
can do...



I've been in IT most of my life and that includes me playing with PC
hardware and the OS's that make them useful. All I know is that there
are few things I can do on Linux (that I actually *want / need to do*)
that I can't easier do on Windows .. or in some cases, can *only* do
in Windows.

You mustr be very young. Ther wasnt an IT when I started work.Anless it
was in COBOL.




Now, the std reply to that from the LinuxBorg is not to use / do those
things! Talk about the tail wagging the dog!

I would love to be able to stick Linux on my little Acer Aspire
(touchscreen) V5 Netbook [1] and run up the car diagnostics software
(ForScan or OpCom) but they are Windows only. Same with updating my
Garmin GPS and a myriad of stuff that is only officially supported on
/ with Windows but you might get lucky if someone in a shed has
cobbled together an unsupported driver to allow the LinuxBorg to be
able to use some of it as well.

Se you are ****ingt useless at IT.

You buy premade stuff because you are a plonquer and complain that it
only works with other premade prepaid ****.




And try looking for 'Linux Compatible' hardware in your local PC shop
... of getting someone to sort out a problem on Linux for you.


Oh dear. Poor old D i m.

He doesnt even know enugh to not go to PC world for his tin.,


I've been in the game for nearly 40 years and I still don't know
personally of a single Linux users who could actually fix most of my
Linux problems. Actually ... maybe that is more about the sort of
people I'm likely to make a friend. ;-)

Do you have any friends T i m?




--
€œA leader is best When people barely know he exists. Of a good leader,
who talks little,When his work is done, his aim fulfilled,They will say,
€œWe did this ourselves.€�

ۥ Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching

On 22/10/17 13:47, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 10:12:40 +0100, Handsome Jack
wrote:

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Whilst I agree for those looking for some sort of network shared
space, I question what percentage of the population have any sort of
clue re networked storage etc? The number of times I see people moving
files from one (networked) PC to another using Pen drives when a
simple network share would do it?

Simple network shares don't always work between different versions of
Windows, though.

They can though, if you know what you are doing (as I have shares in
all sorts of directions here going between everything from XP to W10
etc).

The biggest problem I have is making sense of Linux shares.

Linux doesnt have 'shares'.

I have an
OMV file server running here on a RiPi3 / 3TB Laptop drive and I must
have wasted *hours* trying to make logical sense of the shares and
permissions etc. And I was a CNI (Certified Novell Instructor) and ran
several servers at work and so fairly conversant with the concepts of
such things.

In other words you collect qualifications but never learnt to think for
yourself.


I love it on a Linux Client when you get the 'Share' option and it
goes off and sorts out all the background stuff for you, very much
like earlier Windows etc). ;-)

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)


Its only so as not to upset dweebs like you D i m.

Cheers, T i m



--
"It is an established fact to 97% confidence limits that left wing
conspirators see right wing conspiracies everywhere"

On 22/10/2017 17:21, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/10/17 13:08, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 09:56:17 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

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Of course if I had to run one I would eschew windows completely.

Course you would.


The magic of Linux is that I dont have to.

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

Why are you so thick?

I dont have to run just one operatong system, I can run two

Thanks to Linux.

Could you not run a Linux virtual machine within Windows?


But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.

Thats fine, but then they complain that itsbuggy, unstable, full of
security flaws, slow and doesnt back itself up and can destroy hard drives.

Those are all Linux features too.

I am merely pointing out that there is an alternative.

OK, what you said seemed to go rather further than saying there is an
alternative, as long as you accept most can't get away from a Windows OS
for there being no Linux alternative to the software they want/need to run.

The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real
technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google
to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then
run away crying. ;-(


I am too polite to say why you have linux problems T i m,

It's certainly not as intuitive as Windows. For me the OS is a means to
run my applications and I use whichever is best at running them

On 22/10/2017 17:18, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/10/17 12:24, Fredxxx wrote:
On 22/10/2017 09:54, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 21/10/17 14:45, T i m wrote:
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017 19:09:18 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 20/10/2017 17:43, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 20/10/17 17:00, T i m wrote:
If we could get away with Linux workstations and had a Linux
server, I
wonder if that would make things any better from a complete and
automated solution POV?

Of course it would.

Any backup regime you want, just no expensive flashy app to do it.
You
might have to - gasp - set up a bit of software and write a small
simple
script.

Which is exactly why people don't do it!

Bingo.

Don't forget, the likes of TNP are part of the LinuxBorg hive so that
sort of thing ... and even considering the need to have to do that
sort of thing, is considered perfectly acceptable / reasonable to
them.

So, find anyone looking at a failed hard drive (potentially containing
their entire photographic / document life) and the cost of even seeing
if they can get it recovered professionally, V 50 quids worth of WHS
and an old PC (or even a new one), they would consider the value of a
WHS (or similar from a NAS etc) very good VFM (or even 'cheap'). And,
they (ordinary users, not part of the LinuxBorg collective) and after
being given a few pointers, would be able to make good use of such a
solution. To get even close on Linux, you would be *expected* to have
to be assimilated into the LinuxBorg collective, discard any friends,
family or normal lifestyle, build yourself a basement and resign
yourself to reading .man files and pouring over code and CLI
gobbledygook for the rest of your (often sad) life. ;-)

All that is why, a good few years after Linux became useable on the
desktop (as a web-terminal / typewriter), it's still pretty well
unknown to anyone.

Linux (to most) is that deal that is too good to be true ... because
it is, because there is often a big 'gotcha' that makes it a non
starter. It is the electric car in an IC car world. That doesn't make
it in itself bad, it just means it generally doesn't fit in and for
all but a few, is totally unusable (let alone ideal) as an everyday
solution.

Feck, even TNP would have to run Windows if he was only allowed to
have one OS (and not run his 'Windows only' stuff in a Windows VM on
Linux and make believe he isn't still running Windows). Bless. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

What a wonderful display of envy and stupdity and venom to be sure.

All I have to say is that the OP is in the mess he is in because he
runs windows.

He needs more than a command line to get him out. Much more.

If you want to live in a country and run computer sofrware thar has
only one ultimate purpose - to separate you from the fruits of your
labours and keep you enslaved in a commercial system run by people
who despise you, hell vote remain and run Microsoft Windows

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

None that I use on a daily basis. Or even a weekly basis.

I have no need for it.

Fair enough.

On 22/10/17 14:20, wrote:
Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and when it
doesn't it's easier to sort out.

And that is the point. Back in the day we used to spend hours
reinstalling windows and later on MACOS9, and then OSX because the
information to fix it could not be found.

I have *never* had a linuix system degrade to the point where reinstall
was necessary. Though often its not bad think to upgrade every few years.




--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

On 22/10/17 16:32, T i m wrote:
Can't remember actually seeing a 'Designed for Linux' sticker on any
hardware or software in any shop (although such may well exist).

Of copurse not. All thsoe stickers are about separataing you and your
money. Linux is free. Why would any shop advertise that you can get away
without paying for an operating system, all te software you need and a
proper backup policy tailored to your needs?


--
"Women actually are capable of being far more than the feminists will
let them."

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 06:20:16 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

snip

I can't think of anything that would tempt me back to windows. Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and when it doesn't it's easier to sort out.

I think my mate may have an issue with his BT Broadband and I was
trying to email him some tips re how he can see if he has or not. I've
told him how to start a ping running and what to look out for but I
wondered if there was a nice ping GUI tool for Linux, as there are for
Windows (he's running the Mint 18 I installed for him the other day)
and went to try some on my Ubuntu.

So I go to install something from the CLI (copy and paste off the web)
only to find myself *again* clashing with the updates I'm also
running. ;-(

In Windows I can be doing the updates *and* install an app with no
issues.

Ok, I guess I'll just have to waste even more time, waiting for Linux
to allow me to get on with stuff ... ;-( sigh

Cheers, T i m

On 22/10/17 17:34, T i m wrote:
So I go to install something from the CLI (copy and paste off the web)
only to find myself*again* clashing with the updates I'm also
running. ;-(

In Windows I can be doing the updates*and* install an app with no
issues.

As I said, you have no clue about computers at all, unless someone has
written an expensive manual for you.



--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:34:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 16:32, T i m wrote:
Can't remember actually seeing a 'Designed for Linux' sticker on any
hardware or software in any shop (although such may well exist).

Of copurse not. All thsoe stickers are about separataing you and your
money. Linux is free. Why would any shop advertise that you can get away
without paying for an operating system, all te software you need and a
proper backup policy tailored to your needs?


Another left brainer reply.

Wouldn't *every* hardware manufacturer want to maximize their market
exposure (even if only for the 5% that equates to the Linux desktop)
and advertise on their product (so not the shop you LinuxBorg) that is
was 'Linux compatible'?

Maybe they don't want the aggravation that might bring is someone buys
it 'because it says it's compatible on the box' and then they find it
isn't actually compatible with their distro, kernel or DE? What *is* a
GNU/Linux install exactly?

At least with Windows (or OSX / Android) they have a fairly restricted
configuration set to be compatible with.

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:32:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 14:20, wrote:
Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and when it
doesn't it's easier to sort out.

And that is the point. Back in the day we used to spend hours
reinstalling windows and later on MACOS9, and then OSX because the
information to fix it could not be found.

Noob.

I have *never* had a linuix system degrade to the point where reinstall
was necessary.

Then you probably never try to (say) install a new video card and it's
driver, even by using the Hardware Wizard!

Though often its not bad think to upgrade every few years.

Yeah, I might get round to re-installing XP on this MacMini one day
(that can still do more and easier than I can do on the latest Linux
Mint for example).

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:51:22 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 17:34, T i m wrote:
So I go to install something from the CLI (copy and paste off the web)
only to find myself*again* clashing with the updates I'm also
running. ;-(

In Windows I can be doing the updates*and* install an app with no
issues.

As I said, you have no clue about computers at all, unless someone has
written an expensive manual for you.

Bwahahaha, another *classic* left brainer reply mate. You really love
helping yourself into these holes don't you!!

I mostly use Windows *BECAUSE I RARELY NEED TO READ ANY F*ING
MANUALS"!!!*

My test for any new piece of hardware or software is 'How intuitive is
it'?

I've just tried 3 supposed GUI interfaces to nmap on Ubuntu to find
one that just does what I can do *sooo* easily on Windows (for free),
and that's run a GUI based Ping-host logger.

I failed with all of them ... because they were designed by and
supposed to be used by Geeks, not ordinary computer users trying to
use (what should be) a basic tool to do a basic job.

So, *you* obviously love and get a buzz out of pouring though numerous
man pages and manuals whilst I do not (and never have). And with
Windows (or OSX / Android apps in general), I've never needed to!]

Good luck with your hobby. I'll carry on getting on with my life. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:29:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

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The biggest problem I have is making sense of Linux shares.

Linux doesnt have 'shares'.

Another left brainer and BS reply.

I have an
OMV file server running here on a RiPi3 / 3TB Laptop drive and I must
have wasted *hours* trying to make logical sense of the shares and
permissions etc. And I was a CNI (Certified Novell Instructor) and ran
several servers at work and so fairly conversant with the concepts of
such things.

In other words you collect qualifications but never learnt to think for
yourself.

I didn't 'collect qualifications' mate, I earned them from practical
experience. My CNI was because I had built and administered a Netware
server for many years. My MCI was based on my in depth knowledge of MS
Mail. My A+CT was based on many many years building, maintaining and
installing PC's. One thing I was known for is *not* presenting
anything I hadn't previously lived.


I love it on a Linux Client when you get the 'Share' option and it
goes off and sorts out all the background stuff for you, very much
like earlier Windows etc). ;-)

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)


Its only so as not to upset dweebs like you D i m.

Ah, now we are getting nearer the truth. The likes of Mark with
Canonical / Ubuntu and Clem with Mint would disagree with you of
course as they are both trying to make their distros as easy for the
likes of me as possible (and slowly and possibly surely are doing so).

What you will never be able to comprehend (because you are a LinuxBorg
/ left brainer) is that most people CGAF about the OS (including me)
as long as they can do what they want.

I'm guessing that if Linux gave 'most people' that and was free (of
cost, few people care about any other kind of free and most would
still prefer to pay for something that worked fully than only worked
partially after a big struggle) Linux would be doing better than being
stagnant at around 6% of the desktop PC market?

https://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

No, make 'a Linux' that all the software developers and hardware
manufacturers could hang their hats on and Linux *could* take off ...
but that isn't going to happen when the Linux community is busy
forking itself every which way. ;-(

Linux is it's own restriction.

Cheers, T i m

On 22/10/17 18:14, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:34:24 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 16:32, T i m wrote:
Can't remember actually seeing a 'Designed for Linux' sticker on any
hardware or software in any shop (although such may well exist).

Of copurse not. All thsoe stickers are about separataing you and your
money. Linux is free. Why would any shop advertise that you can get away
without paying for an operating system, all te software you need and a
proper backup policy tailored to your needs?


Another left brainer reply.

Wouldn't *every* hardware manufacturer want to maximize their market
exposure (even if only for the 5% that equates to the Linux desktop)
and advertise on their product (so not the shop you LinuxBorg) that is
was 'Linux compatible'?


Not if Microsoft then locked them out of their developer policy and not
if they then lost sales of operating systems and software.

You are rather sweet really D I m ., Its this naive trist in the likes
of microsoft (and te EU of course) that really stuns me: Aftert 40 years
(allegdly) in ITR you havent learnt the commercial basiscs at all.

Bless.



Maybe they don't want the aggravation that might bring is someone buys
it 'because it says it's compatible on the box' and then they find it
isn't actually compatible with their distro, kernel or DE? What *is* a
GNU/Linux install exactly?

I have no idea D i m. I just put the DVD in the slot and there it is.


At least with Windows (or OSX / Android) they have a fairly restricted
configuration set to be compatible with.


So restricting the stupid user to a known subset of choices that dont
get hin what he actually wants is 'good software'?
#
I see you are a microsoft (and EU) man through and through.



Cheers, T i m



--
Climate Change: Socialism wearing a lab coat.

On 22/10/17 18:17, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:32:23 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 14:20, wrote:
Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and when it
doesn't it's easier to sort out.

And that is the point. Back in the day we used to spend hours
reinstalling windows and later on MACOS9, and then OSX because the
information to fix it could not be found.

Noob.

I have *never* had a linuix system degrade to the point where reinstall
was necessary.

Then you probably never try to (say) install a new video card and it's
driver, even by using the Hardware Wizard!

Though often its not bad think to upgrade every few years.

Yeah, I might get round to re-installing XP on this MacMini one day
(that can still do more and easier than I can do on the latest Linux
Mint for example).

I wouldn't boast about your utter incoimpetence D i m. It makes you look
as stupid as you really are.



--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 22/10/17 18:26, T i m wrote:
I failed with all of them

Why does that not surprise me?


--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 22/10/2017 17:32, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/10/17 14:20, wrote:
Linux just works way more of the time than win ever did, and when it
doesn't it's easier to sort out.

And that is the point. Back in the day we used to spend hours
reinstallingÂ* windows and later on MACOS9, and then OSX because the
information to fix it could not be found.

I have *never* had a linuix system degrade to the point where reinstall
was necessary. Though often its not bad think to upgrade every few years.





Well given the number of long standing security holes in linux you would
be pretty stupid not to upgrade to a version that was being maintained.

Maybe you think 10 year old linux is OK?
You appear to think windows stopped being developed 10 years ago.

On 22/10/17 18:41, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:29:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

The biggest problem I have is making sense of Linux shares.

Linux doesnt have 'shares'.

Another left brainer and BS reply.

I have an
OMV file server running here on a RiPi3 / 3TB Laptop drive and I must
have wasted *hours* trying to make logical sense of the shares and
permissions etc. And I was a CNI (Certified Novell Instructor) and ran
several servers at work and so fairly conversant with the concepts of
such things.

In other words you collect qualifications but never learnt to think for
yourself.

I didn't 'collect qualifications' mate, I earned them from practical
experience. My CNI was because I had built and administered a Netware
server for many years. My MCI was based on my in depth knowledge of MS
Mail. My A+CT was based on many many years building, maintaining and
installing PC's. One thing I was known for is *not* presenting
anything I hadn't previously lived.


I love it on a Linux Client when you get the 'Share' option and it
goes off and sorts out all the background stuff for you, very much
like earlier Windows etc). ;-)

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)


Its only so as not to upset dweebs like you D i m.

Ah, now we are getting nearer the truth. The likes of Mark with
Canonical / Ubuntu and Clem with Mint would disagree with you of
course as they are both trying to make their distros as easy for the
likes of me as possible (and slowly and possibly surely are doing so).


Exactly,. And thats disagrees with what I said in what way exactly?


Linux is very compassionate. It understands that you have been
indoctrinated bby years of exposure to OSX and Windoes, and in trying
to break that addiction, it can deskill Linux to thw point where a
complete morion can actually isntall it.


Sadly tahts still not enough is it?

Not for people who need soemoen to hold their willies while they pee.



What you will never be able to comprehend (because you are a LinuxBorg
/ left brainer) is that most people CGAF about the OS (including me)
as long as they can do what they want.


But the whole startinng poinnt of this thread was that someone could NOT
do what they want. Windoes had failed them.


I'm guessing that if Linux gave 'most people' that and was free (of
cost, few people care about any other kind of free and most would
still prefer to pay for something that worked fully than only worked
partially after a big struggle) Linux would be doing better than being
stagnant at around 6% of the desktop PC market?


Its on no ones interest to adevretise it and promote it because it IS free!

The point here is taht te majority idusers dio not buy: they are sold to.,

And you are teh classic case in point. A total dweeb who thinks they
know far far more than they really do, because marketing has bombarded
you with propaganda to tell you how smart you are, and of course rather
than accepr you are dim to mediocre, you believed them and bought the
product.

Now I can't deal with your lack of self esteem. Thats for your
psychiatric counseeller.

But I do resent your dissing perfectly good sof****re simply because
you, personally are too stupid to use it.




--
Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as
foolish, and by the rulers as useful.

(Seneca the Younger, 65 AD)

On 22/10/2017 17:34, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/10/17 16:32, T i m wrote:
Can't remember actually seeing a 'Designed for Linux' sticker on any
hardware or software in any shop (although such may well exist).

Of copurse not. All thsoe stickers are about separataing you and your
money. Linux is free. Why would any shop advertise that you can get away
without paying for an operating system, all te software you need and a
proper backup policy tailored to your needs?



The shops did try and sell linux machines.
They didn't sell very well and most of those that did were returned and
I helped factory reset loads of them to be returned.

Most people do not want linux whatever you say.

It has uses but shoving on desktop machines for the average user just
isn't one of them.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:21:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

Why are you so thick?

Why are you in denial?

I dont have to run just one operatong system, I can run two

So do I .. I can either reboot into OSX or Linux or could run a
Windows VM on OSX / Linux or run Linux in a VM on Windows. What do you
think you are doing that is so special (apart from actually having
access to Windows to run your Windows only programs)?

Thanks to Linux.

Or thanks to Windows.


But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.

Thats fine, but then they complain that itsbuggy, unstable, full of
security flaws, slow and doesnt back itself up and can destroy hard drives.

Who does, given the vast majority of people run Windows in the desktop
and have no issues?

I am merely pointing out that there is an alternative.

You are continually dissing Windows (hypocrite) and Advocating Linux.


The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real
technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google
to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then
run away crying. ;-(


I am too polite to say why you have linux problems T i m,

No, you are too full of bluster to actually answer my Linux questions.
We all know why I have them, it's because I'm trying to use it (unlike
the vast majority etc).

There is no way a left brained LinuxBorg *couldn't* answer a technical
question if they had the answer! ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:27:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 13:39, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:24:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:
snip

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

Yes he does, and he runs it under a Windows VM and actually believes
that means he isn't running Windows!!

No, I run it inside a Linux VM, and freely admit that means I am running
two operating systrems.

Ah, we are getting closer. We just need you to admit you are running
*Windows* ...

Is English not your native langgueage?

It's not that whatever that is. ;-)

snip

You buy premade stuff because you are a plonquer and complain that it
only works with other premade prepaid ****.

Yes, because I just want to use it, not make it myself. I would be
interested to see the Video card or printer you built from scratch.




And try looking for 'Linux Compatible' hardware in your local PC shop
... of getting someone to sort out a problem on Linux for you.


Oh dear. Poor old D i m.

He doesnt even know enugh to not go to PC world for his tin.,

Again with the feeble Left Brainer putdowns. I rarely go to PCW for
anything, I was talking of 'most people'.


I've been in the game for nearly 40 years and I still don't know
personally of a single Linux users who could actually fix most of my
Linux problems. Actually ... maybe that is more about the sort of
people I'm likely to make a friend. ;-)

Do you have any friends T i m?

Oooh, you really don't want to go there do you? The last time you
tried you ended up in floods of tears. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:30:25 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

snip

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

None that I use on a daily basis. Or even a weekly basis.

I have no need for it.

Fair enough.

It's not, because the point is he *has* to keep Windows on hand to run
stuff (however infrequently) because there is no Linux equivalent.

Cheers, T i m

On 22/10/17 19:13, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:21:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

Why are you so thick?

Why are you in denial?

I dont have to run just one operatong system, I can run two

So do I .. I can either reboot into OSX or Linux or could run a
Windows VM on OSX / Linux or run Linux in a VM on Windows. What do you
think you are doing that is so special (apart from actually having
access to Windows to run your Windows only programs)?

Thanks to Linux.

Or thanks to Windows.


But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.

Thats fine, but then they complain that itsbuggy, unstable, full of
security flaws, slow and doesnt back itself up and can destroy hard drives.

Who does, given the vast majority of people run Windows in the desktop
and have no issues?

I have never met a single person who runs ANY dekstop who haqsnt had issues.

So we can see immdeietraly that yiu are lying.



I am merely pointing out that there is an alternative.

You are continually dissing Windows (hypocrite) and Advocating Linux.


The irony of course is whenever I've pushed *you* to giving any real
technical solutions to my Linux problems (that you can't easily Google
to, as if you could I would already have done so), you faceplant then
run away crying. ;-(


I am too polite to say why you have linux problems T i m,

No, you are too full of bluster to actually answer my Linux questions.
We all know why I have them, it's because I'm trying to use it (unlike
the vast majority etc).

Thats notr bluster D i m.


There is no way a left brained LinuxBorg *couldn't* answer a technical
question if they had the answer! ;-)


Pore Ole Dim. always going for the emotional narrative when common sense
and logic fails


Cheers, T i m



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On 22/10/17 19:21, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:27:26 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 13:39, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 12:24:35 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:
snip

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

Yes he does, and he runs it under a Windows VM and actually believes
that means he isn't running Windows!!

No, I run it inside a Linux VM, and freely admit that means I am running
two operating systrems.

Ah, we are getting closer. We just need you to admit you are running
*Windows* ...

I have never denied that occasioanlly I do, so what?

I run a 10 year+ old copy of XP for a few thiungs that linux cabnnot do0,.

As compared with te 100+ things that windows cannot do.

Eunbning it inside a sandnbox VM allows it to almost work and makes
backup of it much easier

Is English not your native langgueage?

It's not that whatever that is. ;-)
So waht *is* your native language D i m?


snip

You buy premade stuff because you are a plonquer and complain that it
only works with other premade prepaid ****.

Yes, because I just want to use it, not make it myself. I would be
interested to see the Video card or printer you built from scratch.

Why would I need to do that?

You are ...odd...






And try looking for 'Linux Compatible' hardware in your local PC shop
... of getting someone to sort out a problem on Linux for you.


Oh dear. Poor old D i m.

He doesnt even know enugh to not go to PC world for his tin.,

Again with the feeble Left Brainer putdowns. I rarely go to PCW for
anything, I was talking of 'most people'.

Typical lefty****. Always defending imaginary 'other people' when they
have nothing to say for themselves..




I've been in the game for nearly 40 years and I still don't know
personally of a single Linux users who could actually fix most of my
Linux problems. Actually ... maybe that is more about the sort of
people I'm likely to make a friend. ;-)

Do you have any friends T i m?

Oooh, you really don't want to go there do you? The last time you
tried you ended up in floods of tears. ;-(


I habve no idea what you are talking about. It just sounds nasty
malicious and typical of the sort of egotists who defend Microsoft.

Cheers, T i m

****ing hypocrite...



--
"When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
that the dunces are all in confederacy against him."

Jonathan Swift.

On 22/10/17 19:23, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:30:25 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

snip

Do you not have any 'windows' software? That would be quite impressive.

None that I use on a daily basis. Or even a weekly basis.

I have no need for it.

Fair enough.

It's not, because the point is he *has* to keep Windows on hand to run
stuff (however infrequently) because there is no Linux equivalent.

Cheers, T i m


Pore ole D i m.

Just has to believe he is not a microsoft droid and that he actually
really chose to run it...

Whrn a main clains 40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to work...

....you know all you need to know about his intelligence.


--
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news paper, you are mis-informed."

Mark Twain

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:55:15 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

sip

Wouldn't *every* hardware manufacturer want to maximize their market
exposure (even if only for the 5% that equates to the Linux desktop)
and advertise on their product (so not the shop you LinuxBorg) that is
was 'Linux compatible'?


Not if Microsoft then locked them out of their developer policy and not
if they then lost sales of operating systems and software.

And you think that stops all the Chinese manufacturers?

You are rather sweet really D I m

Aww, bless.

Its this naive trist in the likes
of microsoft (and te EU of course) that really stuns me:

I'm sure they aren't the only things that 'stun you' mate. I bet
'sunshine' is another. ;-(

Aftert 40 years
(allegdly) in ITR

ITR?

you havent learnt the commercial basiscs at all.

And you don't seem to have installed (or mastered) the use of the
keyboard or spell checker. Cummon, once you have finished typing and
the red mist dies down, wipe the bile from your keyboard and press
'spell check'.



Bless.



Maybe they don't want the aggravation that might bring is someone buys
it 'because it says it's compatible on the box' and then they find it
isn't actually compatible with their distro, kernel or DE? What *is* a
GNU/Linux install exactly?

I have no idea D i m.

Ah, some honesty at last. ;-)

I just put the DVD in the slot and there it is.

Funny. So, no actual answer to the question. Thought not.


At least with Windows (or OSX / Android) they have a fairly restricted
configuration set to be compatible with.


So restricting the stupid user to a known subset of choices that dont
get hin what he actually wants is 'good software'?

I never said any of that. People (so not you obviously) do get what
they want from MS OS' or they would all be flocking to find something
else (like OSX or Linux)?

Except, after many many years and numerous opportunities given to the
Linux fraternally by MS (and OS changes no one wanted or asked for),
Linux *still* didn't get it's act together.


I see you are a microsoft (and EU) man through and through.

You are so blinkered I'm not surprised to can only see lies and
darkness and bs (so basically your own reflection).

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:57:16 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

On 22/10/17 18:26, T i m wrote:
I failed with all of them

Why does that not surprise me?

Because you are a left brainer LinuxBorg and so don't really have a
good understanding of the real world?

HTH.

Cheers, T i m

On 22/10/2017 19:30, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/10/17 19:13, T i m wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 17:21:59 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Really? Oh, sorry, I know ... the denial that Windows in a VM isn't
Windows ... Bwhahahahaha!

Why are you so thick?

Why are you in denial?

I dont have to run just one operatong system, I can run two

So do I .. I can either reboot into OSX or Linux or could run a
Windows VM on OSX / Linux or run Linux in a VM on Windows. What do you
think you are doing that is so special (apart from actually having
access to Windows to run your Windows only programs)?

Thanks to Linux.

Or thanks to Windows.


But remember' you do need to be able to think and have more than
half a
brain for linux, which is why windows exists

Bingo. Windows is for the vast majority of ordinary people who
actually have lives and can do everything they want easily under
Windows and then the tiny (and often weird) minority who don't have
lives (or girlfriends in many cases) and who want to make a hobby /
study out of what should be (in 2017) an appliance.

Thats fine, but then they complain that itsbuggy, unstable, full of
security flaws, slow and doesnt back itself up and can destroy hard
drives.

Who does, given the vast majority of people run Windows in the desktop
and have no issues?

I have never met a single person who runs ANY dekstop who haqsnt had
issues.

I have had Windows machine run for months without reboot. I would say
the issue between Windows and Linux are on par.

Things have come a long way since Win95, where reliability was measured
in reboots per day.

On 22/10/2017 19:37, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I run a 10 year+ old copy of XP for a few thiungs that linux cabnnot do0,.

That is your problem, you think windows stopped 10 year ago and keep
comparing it with this years linux.

If you compare 10 year old linux with current windows then I can assure
you that linux is crap.

Why don't you either get up to date or stop your stupid claims.


As compared with te 100+ things that windows cannot do.

What open source applications won't run on windows?
I have had no problem running any of the popular ones.

I admit its hard to cross compile Android on windows but it hardly a
mainstream app.

You do understand the difference between linux and open source apps?

You do not need linux to run most open source apps whatever you may think.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:07:31 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

In fact, the more they make Linux work like Windows, the easier it is
to use. Strange that eh! ;-)


Its only so as not to upset dweebs like you D i m.

Ah, now we are getting nearer the truth. The likes of Mark with
Canonical / Ubuntu and Clem with Mint would disagree with you of
course as they are both trying to make their distros as easy for the
likes of me as possible (and slowly and possibly surely are doing so).


Exactly,. And thats disagrees with what I said in what way exactly?

It doesn't. I was saying that whilst you and I know Linux isn't really
easy enough for 'most people', they are trying to make it so (not
retain it in the domain of just the LinuxBorg).


Linux is very compassionate.

It's as compassionate as you are(n't).

It understands that you have been
indoctrinated bby years of exposure to OSX and Windoes, and in trying
to break that addiction, it can deskill Linux to thw point where a
complete morion can actually isntall it.

Pull yourself together mate FFS. Your spelling accuracy seems to be
disproportionate to your excitement. ;-(


Sadly tahts still not enough is it?

No, it isn't. We (those of us would would actually *like* to have the
option to use Linux as a real alternative) need more manufacturers and
developers to get onboard.

Not for people who need soemoen to hold their willies while they pee.

Is that an offer? That's what Windows does for me so I see no reason
why every OS shouldn't do the same (in 2017 ffs).



What you will never be able to comprehend (because you are a LinuxBorg
/ left brainer) is that most people CGAF about the OS (including me)
as long as they can do what they want.


But the whole startinng poinnt of this thread was that someone could NOT
do what they want.

Who said it couldn't? You can run Teskdisk and loads of other
utilities under Windows and such solutions were suggested.


Windoes had failed them.

Aww bless, is that like Linsux or just another typo?



I'm guessing that if Linux gave 'most people' that and was free (of
cost, few people care about any other kind of free and most would
still prefer to pay for something that worked fully than only worked
partially after a big struggle) Linux would be doing better than being
stagnant at around 6% of the desktop PC market?


Its on no ones interest to adevretise it and promote it because it IS free!

Except that's exactly was nearly every distro does?

Have you never looked here?

https://linuxmint.com/
Or he
https://www.ubuntu.com/


The point here is taht te majority idusers dio not buy: they are sold to.,

Really? How many years has Windows been about now? Do you think people
actually buy Windows or does it just come on the PC they buy?

And you are teh classic case in point. A total dweeb who thinks they
know far far more than they really do,

Aww bless ... the old 'left brain' bias coming out again. ;-(

because marketing has bombarded
you with propaganda to tell you how smart you are, and of course rather
than accepr you are dim to mediocre, you believed them and bought the
product.

You really have lost the plot mate. I suggest you go sit down in a
darkened room till you calm down (and hopefully see / talk sense). I
am the last person to ever be swayed by any form of marketing.

Now I can't deal with your lack of self esteem. Thats for your
psychiatric counseeller.

Grow up.

But I do resent your dissing perfectly good sof****re simply because
you, personally are too stupid to use it.

To stupid to make it do what it can't possibly do?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 18:56:30 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Yeah, I might get round to re-installing XP on this MacMini one day
(that can still do more and easier than I can do on the latest Linux
Mint for example).

I wouldn't boast about your utter incoimpetence D i m. It makes you look
as stupid as you really are.

What the F has that got to do with one OS's ability to do more of what
I need than another? You are happy to uses your machines as just a
typewriter, I happen to need to interface mine with loads of different
hardware that was inevitably designed for Windows and the software
Windows only?

And it still doesn't explain how you can't offer solutions to my Linux
problems (given how competent you are and how stupid my questions must
be)?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:30:54 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Who does, given the vast majority of people run Windows in the desktop
and have no issues?

I have never met a single person who runs ANY dekstop who haqsnt had issues.

Again, a literal left-brained interpretation of my valid point. I turn
my Windows PC on in the morning, use it all day and turn it off again
at night, as does the Mrs and daughter with theirs ... as do
*millions* of people around the world at home and work every single
day. 'Of course' each is bound to have something go wrong now and
again, but if was anything like as bad as you suggest and the
alternatives actually any better *for them* (not a LinuxBorg), I'm
sure they would be using it.

Talking of that, does anyone know how those Linux rollouts that were
going on in German Councils (was it) are getting on?

So we can see immdeietraly that yiu are lying.

And you still can't use a spell checker. ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Whrn a main clains 40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to work...

...you know all you need to know about his intelligence.

Linux has not been around for all that time - 25 years ago it was
unstable and relatively little used.

You confuse knowledge and intelligence.

You appear to have knowledge, but the intelligence is lacking.

Tim's intelligence means you could acquire the know;edge - if he wanted
to.
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On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher
wrote:

snip

Pore ole D i m.

Pore?

Just has to believe he is not a microsoft droid and that he actually
really chose to run it...

There wasn't much else about in 1980 was there mate?

Whrn

Whrn?

a main

main?

clains

clains?

40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to work...

Yup, only goes to show how 'different' it is eh?

And I really wish you wouldn't keep making stuff up mate (although you
probably can't help it). WTF would I say I couldn't get Linux to work
when I have it here working on many machines? What I have said is
there are times when Linux won't work with some specific hardware and
it is at those times that I find it more difficult to find a solution
(probably because there isn't one) than when compared with Windows
(that the majority of hardware and software is 'Designed for')?

...you know all you need to know about his intelligence.

And with every post you are signposting just how low your EQ is.

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:54:34 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Whrn a main clains 40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to
work...

...you know all you need to know about his intelligence.

Linux has not been around for all that time - 25 years ago it was
unstable and relatively little used.

You confuse knowledge and intelligence.

You appear to have knowledge, but the intelligence is lacking.

Tim's intelligence means you could acquire the know;edge - if he wanted
to.

Of course, I meant Tim could acquire the knowledge! TNP is beyond hope.



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"Tim Streater" wrote in message
.. .
In article , Fredxxx
wrote:

I well remember the day some years ago when my brother, a Win fanboi
worse even than T i m , showed me how it was possible on his Winbox to
have two screens, and move a window from one to the other with the
mouse.

His face fell a bit when I pointed out that this had been possible on
the Mac since 1987.



Bit ironic really that they only introduced that feature in 1987. Same time as
the introduction of the Mac 11 with the much larger screen. Even if it
did cost US$5,498 (equivalent to $11,590 in 2016).

When up until that point Macintosh users were stuck with a 9 inch
monochrome screen. If only they'd have thought of that feature
earlier ? They might even have been able to stick an extra
$,1000 on the price

michael adams

microsoft windows - for people who want a computer

linux - for people want a hobby

apple macintosh - for people who want a computer costing twice
as much which is 2mm thinner 10 mg lighter, with a big apple
logo on the lid which lights up. Saving them having to get it
tattooed on their forehead.

On 22 Oct 2017 19:54:34 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Whrn a main clains 40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to work...

...you know all you need to know about his intelligence.

Linux has not been around for all that time - 25 years ago it was
unstable and relatively little used.

And ironically my first exposure to it was SLS V 0.9 running an AX.25
Packet Radio node at home. It came (well I downloaded it) onto 3 x
3.5" floppies and installed it from them. ;-)

You confuse knowledge and intelligence.

Because he has a low EQ Bob so I'm pretty sure he can't help it.

You appear to have knowledge, but the intelligence is lacking.

And the EQ. If he had a reasonable EQ he would *understand* we are all
different, *realise* therefore we all have different needs, ideals and
goals and *accept* them. However, he (obviously) can't do any of those
because to him, we are just 'talking heads' and to be ignored.

Tim's intelligence means you could acquire the know;edge - if he wanted
to.

Thanks for the thought and whilst you are probably right (and I
believe I have come a long way with my understanding of at least the
'everyday' face of Linux, you are spot on in that I really don't have
the time, the interest or the mindset to deal with Linux, or any other
OS for that matter beyond doing what I must / can to get it running
.... doing what I want and need.

The difference between TNP and I is that I can see and accept that. I
do appreciate Linux every time I install it and it 'sees' all the
hardware and 'just works'. However, I would say W10 isn't so
dissimilar these days and in addition, also comes with a myriad of
complete, supported and well designed (as in it's intuitivety)
software.

So, there are now three people for whom I recommended and installed
Linux and who now happily run it each day as their man (or in one
case, only) OS and I was able to do so for those three over the
possibly hundreds of others because it was a 'good fit'. They *just*
wanted to access their emails, the *just* wanted to browse the net and
they *just* wanted to type the odd letter or open the odd spreadsheet.
What none of them wanted (or worse, 'needed') to do was run iTunes,
use some specific hardware (and even ensuring Linux could work with
their printer and scanner could have been a deal breaker) or play a
specific game.

For the vast majority I've shown Linux to (and that number is probably
greater than the likes of TNP) there was often a 'gotcha' that simply
made it a non starter (and nothing I could or wanted to do about
that).

So, when I get given an old PC or laptop. the first thing I do is wipe
the existing OS and re--install whatever it came with, and. assuming
'a Linux' looks like it will run ok (from a live DVD or USB etc), I'll
install it dual boot. It is then that I will be able to make direct
and obvious comparison re the virtues and weaknesses of both.

Often, Linux will find most of the hardware devices OOTB, whereas
Windows (pre W10 especially) may need some help re say a network card
driver so that it can get online. At that point there is a good chance
that Windows Update will fill in all the missing pieces.

Now we have both OS's basically running. I may try say Youtube and
it's then that I could find the sound isn't working in Linux or the
video performance is slow. Resolving either could be fraught with
loads of Googling, CLI work and discarding outdated or irrelevant
information. I can install LibreOffice on Windows, I can install
Firefox and Thunderbird on Windows I can install Teamviewer on both
(although the Linux one works under WINE), but I can't install Yumi on
Linux (or find an equiv), or Irfanview (other than mucking about with
WINE again) or Forte Agent (and Pan is less responsive and less
flexible from my experience).

I can also install the Arduino IDE on Linux but when I updated it
screwed it up. It has never done that on Windows. I can run loads of
3D Printing software on Windows but less on Linux. I can run all my
vehicle diagnostic tools on Windows but none on Linux.

So, if I want to boot into an OS that *I* can do more in / with, it
would have to be Windows.

If I wanted to mount and partition an external HDD, I'd probably use
Linux and Gparted, but that is one of the few examples of actually
requiring Linux.

Now, if I wasn't just a practical support / hardware guy but a
software developer or programmer, I'd probably prefer Linux because I
might be able to do more with it?

Cheers, T i m

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 20:14:18 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Fredxxx
wrote:

I have had Windows machine run for months without reboot. I would say
the issue between Windows and Linux are on par.

Things have come a long way since Win95, where reliability was measured
in reboots per day.

I would grant that it is a lot more reliable than it was back then. But
you still have the registry,

And why is that an issue for you or more importantly, the vast
majority of computer users?

the stupid drive letters,

That make reasonable sense if you have tried to talk someone though
finding a mount point.

and the
primitive file system that prevents you moving or renaming a file just
because gasp some other bit of software has it open for writing.

Yup and again, whilst it makes sense *why* it might work like that,
isn't something 'most people' would *ever* have an issue with? Just
like I can't see why you can't just right click on the desktop and
create a new text file there (unless you now can with OSX)?

Even Microsoft Office on the Mac handles *that* OK, so there's no
excuse really.

But that's 'backward compatibility' for you. Just like when my Dad
bought a new iMac and then found he couldn't run his OS9 apps on it.

I well remember the day some years ago when my brother, a Win fanboi
worse even than T i m ,

Me, a Windows fanboi? I am a user of several OS's but generally use
the one that can do the most *for me*. That just happens to be
Windows.

showed me how it was possible on his Winbox to
have two screens, and move a window from one to the other with the
mouse.

His face fell a bit when I pointed out that this had been possible on
the Mac since 1987.

And that was because the Apples were often brought in to DTP and not
the huge range of roles IBM PC clones have been put to over the years.

That's not to say Apples *couldn't* do most of those things (assuming
the hardware manufacturer made a card to fit the Apple I/O bus that
was in fashion at the time) and the software required was available.

Apple made a smart move when they went over to the Intel processors as
that mean many people could run OSX *and* Windows on the same hardware
natively so they could still access all the stuff they couldn't
directly from OSX.

I could reboot this MacMini into OSX but haven't done so for probably
a couple of years now. I haven't done so, not because I 'love' Windows
but because of the real-world fact that OSX does less for me when
Windows can?

Now, if I was like most Apple users and just wanted a typewriter and
Web terminal I could equally be happy g, but if the latest MacBook /
OSX can't run my OBD tools ... ;-(

Cheers, T i m

On 22 Oct 2017 20:15:18 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:54:34 +0000, Bob Eager wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Whrn a main clains 40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to
work...

...you know all you need to know about his intelligence.

Linux has not been around for all that time - 25 years ago it was
unstable and relatively little used.

You confuse knowledge and intelligence.

You appear to have knowledge, but the intelligence is lacking.

Tim's intelligence means you could acquire the know;edge - if he wanted
to.

Of course, I meant Tim could acquire the knowledge!

Any right brainer could work out what you meant Bob. ;-)

But not wanting to contradict your kind intentions, I'm not sure I
could really get under the hood of Linux (or anything similar), simply
because I don't work / think that way. It's like I have no interest in
playing Chess or cards, possibly because I don't have a good memory or
a 'mathematical mind?

By that I mean there are people who are good with (say) hardware and
people who are good with software and I'm definitely not the latter.
Ok, I *have* done some coding over the years (PDP 11 / Sinclair / BBC
basic) and recently with the Arduino microcontrollers and whilst I
enjoy it when it works (and appreciate it's power and flexibility), I
get very very frustrated not knowing what I need to do to make
something I want work. Now, I dare say with the right tuition /
mentoring or enough trial and error I might be able to do more, I
really don't think I'm wired to ever be good at it (especially in
comparison with my programmer mate who seems able to glance at some
code and instinctively (it seems) understand it)? He helps me with
doing what he understands and is good at and I in turn help him with
electronics and hardware. 'Everyone to their own'. ;-)

TNP is beyond hope.

I'm beginning to believe you are right. ;-(

Oh well, if nothing else, those who bother with him could be
considered to be playing a positive part in his 'eCare in the
community'. ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On 22/10/17 20:54, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017 19:41:39 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

Whrn a main clains 40 years IT experience and can't get Linux to work...

...you know all you need to know about his intelligence.

Linux has not been around for all that time - 25 years ago it was
unstable and relatively little used.

You confuse knowledge and intelligence.

You appear to have knowledge, but the intelligence is lacking.

Tim's intelligence means you could acquire the know;edge - if he wanted
to.

ROFLMAO!

On 22/10/17 22:39, T i m wrote:
those who bother with him could be
considered to be playing a positive part in his 'eCare in the
community'.

you will live to eat those words

I can see exactly how your life will pan out