Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).

Cheers,

Tim

On 18/10/2017 17:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).

Cheers,

Tim

It's not notifiable - or at least not mentioned in the new Part P.

Under the old prat P rules it could only be changed if the cable was
damaged and that only applied to a single circuit (to stop people doing
rewires) and the cable had to follow the same route [1] and use cable of
the same current carrying capacity[2].

[1] Brilliant rule that one - so you hit a cable that is running
diagonally across a wall but you are NOT allowed to reroute the cable
along a new route that meets the regs.

[2] Well 10mm is 10mm isn't it.......



Cheers


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Adam

On 18/10/17 18:14, ARW wrote:
On 18/10/2017 17:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).lea

Cheers,

Tim

It's not notifiable - or at least not mentioned in the new Part P.

Under the old prat P rules it could only be changed if the cable was
damaged and that only applied to a single circuit (to stop people doing
rewires) and the cable had to follow the same route [1] and use cable of
the same current carrying capacity[2].

[1] Brilliant rule that one - so you hit a cable that is running
diagonally across a wall but you are NOT allowed to reroute the cable
along a new route that meets the regs.

[2] Well 10mm is 10mm isn't it.......


Excellent - I thought that was likely the case, thank you for confirming

Apart from the shower room (which will have the tail end of a 12/24V
lighting system - all mains outside) I've cleared the notifiable work
and plan on getting the BCO in as soon as we've finished a couple of
tiny bits with the drains and insulation. I have a few additions to do
to the lighting and a bit of tidying up after the sparky I got in for
the fairly numerous lighting circuits (50 off cables).

Mostly taking the metal light switch plates off and making sure the CPC
actually goes to the plate terminal as well as the box terminal as I
found it didn't in at least one case... Wasn't happy with that, but he
was other wise quite a helpful chap so I'll just fix that quietly.

On 18/10/2017 18:14, ARW wrote:
On 18/10/2017 17:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).

Cheers,

Tim

It's not notifiable - or at least not mentioned in the new Part P.

Under the old prat P rules it could only be changed if the cable was
damaged and that only applied to a single circuit (to stop people doing
rewires) and the cable had to follow the same route [1] and use cable of
the same current carrying capacity[2].

[1] Brilliant rule that one - so you hit a cable that is running
diagonally across a wall but you are NOT allowed to reroute the cable
along a new route that meets the regs.

[2] Well 10mm is 10mm isn't it.......

and 16mm would carry the same current that 10mm would... ;-) (even if
the reverse is not true)

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Cheers,

John.

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In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).

It's an interesting point, but at the end of the day who's going to notice
anyway? Certainly not the average survey done if you decide to sell.

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*The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on my list.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

On 18/10/2017 18:14, ARW wrote:
[2] Well 10mm is 10mm isn't it.......

Not if it was made by that infamous Turkish company :-(

On 19/10/2017 00:29, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Tim Watts wrote:
Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).

It's an interesting point, but at the end of the day who's going to notice
anyway? Certainly not the average survey done if you decide to sell.

You would be hard pushed to tell even if you did a full EICR and had
Tim's installation certificate in front of you.


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Adam

ARW wrote:
On 18/10/2017 17:42, Tim Watts wrote:
Just a quick check - legalistic Q

Is replacing a cable with one of equivalent or better spec from the
MCB/RCBO right through to the end device *not notifiable* in England?

This is outside of any special locations...

This is replacing a T+E 10mm2 with 10mm2 singles in conduit - either i
need to do this prior to signing off the Building Notice, but more
convenient to leave until later...

As far as I can see - cable replacement is not notifiable generally -
but it's not quite like for like (different cable type).

Cheers,

Tim

It's not notifiable - or at least not mentioned in the new Part P.

Under the old prat P rules it could only be changed if the cable was
damaged and that only applied to a single circuit (to stop people doing
rewires) and the cable had to follow the same route [1] and use cable of
the same current carrying capacity[2].

[1] Brilliant rule that one - so you hit a cable that is running
diagonally across a wall but you are NOT allowed to reroute the cable
along a new route that meets the regs.

[2] Well 10mm is 10mm isn't it.......

Except when it is 7/.052




Cheers