On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 21:09:50 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 14/10/2017 20:43, Steve Walker wrote:


The trouble with knives is that I have often been doing some diy. My
wife has called on me to go out shopping and the next thing is that I
find I am wandering around the supermarket with a knife, long, thin
screwdriver or similar in my pocket!

+1
When DIY I often carry one of those folding "Stanley blade" type knives
in my pocket and then when going out to get more supplies or even
walking to the local supermarket to get food I find I'm still carrying it.

I got frisked when going to see Genesis at Earls Court one day only to
get pulled to one side because I had a craft knife in my jacket
pocket. They confiscated that but didn't seem bothered about the
superglue, the 5 min epoxy, the other various small tools, a roll of
insulation tape and the glow plugs I was also carrying (in my only
'coat' that was also worn when RC modeling etc). ;-)

Cheers, T i m

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 04:09:49 +1100, "Jack Konstan"
wrote:



"The Natural Philosopher" wrote in message
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On 14/10/17 17:56, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:15:51 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990

Someone will blame it on the EU and say it's a new EU regulation.

We are capable of being just as stupid without EU assistance.

The 'carrying a concealed weapon' being used to prosecute some boy scouts
out camping in the middle of knowhere because one of themn had an
oversized penknife in his pocket

Techiunically driving around with a van full of tools is probably an
offence, if you are not a tradesman

No, its fine to borrow the van from the tradesman legally.

;-)

And / or to have 'tools' in say the boot, not easily accessible in the
front [1], you have a good reason ('going equipped'?) and you or your
car don't have a marker?

Cheers, T i m

[1] I have a Thule 'Areo' rack for the car and because I generally
keep it in the car and take it on and off depending on what is going
on (off if going on a long motorway trip or though the car wash, off
if running stuff about locally etc), I bought a nice screwdriver
handled ball ended hex driver to make the job quicker and easier (than
the supplied std Allen key). I thought the other day if it could be
considered 'a point' if any Plod wanted to be funny as I keep it in a
gully just by the drivers seat?

Cheers, T i m

On 15/10/2017 09:21, Nightjar wrote:
On 14-Oct-17 5:17 PM, wrote:
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 16:42:17 UTC+1, NightjarÂ* wrote:
On 14-Oct-17 2:10 PM, dennis@home wrote:
On 14/10/2017 13:15, tabbypurr wrote:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990

Rubbish, it doesn't stop you buying acids.

This is how I bought some last time:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Kilrock-Spi...pirits+of+salt

Considerably cheaper than buying it locally, although I was slightly
surprised that it came by ordinary carrier.

seems a lot for dilute acid.

It isn't all that dilute - about a dilution of 1+1 from the concentrated
form. Probably about as strong as makes sense to sell to the public.

Also not too bad for 3L of the stuff.

It fumes when you use it and costs about £5.50 a bottle in the local
ironmongers.

It probably smells faintly of HCl too despite the high solubility of the
gas in water. It is the most forgiving of the strong mineral acids and
is useful for removing limescale. You don't want to breathe the fumes.

Concentrated sulphuric acid should be a lot more tightly controlled than
it is at present. Nitric above 3% already is on a license required EPP
list (which seems way OTT to me).

https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ive-precursors

It is incredibly badly thought out and will likely get worse.

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wrote:
On Saturday, 14 October 2017 17:08:07 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 14/10/2017 16:48, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 14:11:47 +0100, alan_m
wrote:
On 14/10/2017 13:15, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990

An how is a corrosive substance going to be defined? My weekly/monthly
shop includes many substances labelled as corrosive.

See - "An individual caught with the substance would have to prove
they had good reason for possessing it."

and how can you possibly prove what you intend to do with it?

I was under the impression that in the UK the convention of innocent
until proved guilty prevails. I shouldn't have to prove that I have a
lawful purpose for what I'm carrying.

That might have been the case once. It certainly isn't today.

But surely only the EU made bad laws? Hence wanting to regain sovereignty.
To stop such things.

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On 15 Oct 2017 14:56:08 GMT, David wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:15:51 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990


NT

Does this mean that under 18s can no longer buy oven cleaner?


P.S. I know that oven cleaners are mainly alkali but they are still
extremely corrosive

People will just have to DIY and make Lye from the ashes of the
woodburner , be really eco and use rainwater from the garden butt
which will be the easiest way to get soft water for many.
Fortunately the sort of gansta youths who are responsible for the rise
in attacks by corrosive substances aren't likely to be living in a
home with either.

G.Harman

On 15/10/2017 19:55, Nightjar wrote:

Ebay's cheaper.

For several reasons, I don't use Ebay.



Amazon seems to have opened a French hub and if you order is sourced
from there the quoted delivery dates appear to be extended by a couple
of weeks. A 3 to 5 day delivery becomes a 14+ day delivery.

I'm falling out of favour with Amazon because of their delivery times.
They offer next day delivery if you sign up to Prime at near £100 annum
or they offer free delivery (free as in the item plus delivery costs no
more than other suppliers). With the free delivery they seem to
deliberately hold the item in the warehouse for a week, you then get an
email that the item has been dispatched and you receive it the next day
(unless it comes from France).

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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 11:50:35 +0100, alan_m wrote:

On 15/10/2017 19:55, Nightjar wrote:

Ebay's cheaper.

For several reasons, I don't use Ebay.



Amazon seems to have opened a French hub and if you order is sourced
from there the quoted delivery dates appear to be extended by a couple
of weeks. A 3 to 5 day delivery becomes a 14+ day delivery.

I'm falling out of favour with Amazon because of their delivery times.
They offer next day delivery if you sign up to Prime at near £100 annum
or they offer free delivery (free as in the item plus delivery costs no
more than other suppliers). With the free delivery they seem to
deliberately hold the item in the warehouse for a week, you then get an
email that the item has been dispatched and you receive it the next day
(unless it comes from France).

They fell out of favour with me when then jacked up the cost of Prime.

I am amazed how much money I have saved by going elsewhere, too. Delivery
times are a bit worse, some of the time - but rarely worse than non-Prime
Amazon.


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On 16/10/17 11:50, alan_m wrote:
On 15/10/2017 19:55, Nightjar wrote:

Ebay's cheaper.

For several reasons, I don't use Ebay.



Amazon seems to have opened a French hub and if you order is sourced
from there the quoted delivery dates appear to be extended by a couple
of weeks. A 3 to 5 day delivery becomes a 14+ day delivery.

I'm falling out of favour with Amazon because of their delivery times.
They offer next day delivery if you sign up to Prime at near £100 annum
or they offer free delivery (free as in the item plus delivery costs no
more than other suppliers).Â* With the free delivery they seem to
deliberately hold the item in the warehouse for a week, you then get an
email that the item has been dispatched and you receive it the next day
(unless it comes from France).

There is usually a standard delivery in a few days at a reasonable cost.

But frankly if it takesd two weeks for another set of underpants, I can
handle it.




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On Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37:31 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:40:20 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 14/10/2017 17:24, Tim Streater wrote:

Would that include explosives and firearms, then?


Yes
It's up to the authorities (Police/Courts) to prove that I have an
unlawful intent. It doesn't stop me from being arrested on suspicion in
the meantime.

Are you sure about that? I thought a firearm was a prohibited item
per se?

Then how would our olympic teams practice ?
http://britishshooting.org.uk/news/t...ound-up&d=1244

A friend of mine learnt how to hold and fire a gun when she was 15 at a rifle club.

On Saturday, 14 October 2017 19:37:57 UTC+1, alan_m wrote:
On 14/10/2017 18:37, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:40:20 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 14/10/2017 17:24, Tim Streater wrote:

Would that include explosives and firearms, then?


Yes
It's up to the authorities (Police/Courts) to prove that I have an
unlawful intent. It doesn't stop me from being arrested on suspicion in
the meantime.

Are you sure about that? I thought a firearm was a prohibited item
per se?


Around my way on a calm day you can hear guns going off for most of the
day (usually weekends). I assume wild fowl/rabbit shooting.

Sorry but there's not many wild rabbits in Hackney, you'r ebeing lied to ;-)

On Sunday, 15 October 2017 15:56:11 UTC+1, David WE Roberts (Google) wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:15:51 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990


NT

Does this mean that under 18s can no longer buy oven cleaner?

I'd find it a bit suscpicious if an sub 18 year-old had a carry bag full of oven cleaner. I doubt many 18 year-olds know what an oven is.
You should see the queues in the takaways when school chucks out.

On 16-Oct-17 11:50 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/10/2017 19:55, Nightjar wrote:

Ebay's cheaper.

For several reasons, I don't use Ebay.



Amazon seems to have opened a French hub and if you order is sourced
from there the quoted delivery dates appear to be extended by a couple
of weeks. A 3 to 5 day delivery becomes a 14+ day delivery.

Not had that problem, but most of the stuff I order that actually comes
from Amazon, rather than from a company selling through them, seems to
come from Spain.

I'm falling out of favour with Amazon because of their delivery times.
They offer next day delivery if you sign up to Prime at near £100 annum
or they offer free delivery (free as in the item plus delivery costs no
more than other suppliers).Â* With the free delivery they seem to
deliberately hold the item in the warehouse for a week, you then get an
email that the item has been dispatched and you receive it the next day
(unless it comes from France).

I never saw the point of Prime, given that most stuff arrives within a
few days.


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On 16/10/2017 18:18, Nightjar wrote:
On 16-Oct-17 11:50 AM, alan_m wrote:
On 15/10/2017 19:55, Nightjar wrote:

Ebay's cheaper.

For several reasons, I don't use Ebay.



Amazon seems to have opened a French hub and if you order is sourced
from there the quoted delivery dates appear to be extended by a couple
of weeks. A 3 to 5 day delivery becomes a 14+ day delivery.

Not had that problem, but most of the stuff I order that actually comes
from Amazon, rather than from a company selling through them, seems to
come from Spain.

I am writing about direct from Amazon but by way of their French
distribution.


I never saw the point of Prime, given that most stuff arrives within a
few days.

I've found that in the past few months 'free' delivery is a week or more
with Amazon. On the Amazon market place the same traders use Ebay where
they sell for a lower price and with a faster delivery.



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On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:01:10 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

On Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37:31 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:40:20 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 14/10/2017 17:24, Tim Streater wrote:

Would that include explosives and firearms, then?


Yes It's up to the authorities (Police/Courts) to prove that I have an
unlawful intent. It doesn't stop me from being arrested on suspicion
in the meantime.

Are you sure about that? I thought a firearm was a prohibited item per
se?

Then how would our olympic teams practice ?
http://britishshooting.org.uk/news/t...Olympic_Round-
up&d=1244

A friend of mine learnt how to hold and fire a gun when she was 15 at a
rifle club.

At that age, I was firing Sterling sub machine guns...



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On 16/10/2017 11:09, wrote:
On 15 Oct 2017 14:56:08 GMT, David wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:15:51 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990


NT

Does this mean that under 18s can no longer buy oven cleaner?


P.S. I know that oven cleaners are mainly alkali but they are still
extremely corrosive

People will just have to DIY and make Lye from the ashes of the
woodburner , be really eco and use rainwater from the garden butt
which will be the easiest way to get soft water for many.
Fortunately the sort of gansta youths who are responsible for the rise
in attacks by corrosive substances aren't likely to be living in a
home with either.

So they'll just use a flammable liquid and a lighter instead of acid.

Could someone even be arrested for carrying a can a lighter fuel when
they can argue that it is to refill the lighter that they're also carrying?

SteveW

On 16/10/2017 19:00, Bob Eager wrote:
At that age, I was firing Sterling sub machine guns...

fx me too

First time I fired a full bore rifle I was so small the recoil was
moving me about. I had to crawl back up to the point every few shots. So
much for keeping point of aim...

A few years later when I'd got heavier I could handle it. I was never
good enough for the team, but not far off.

I dare say these days I couldn't see both sights and target at the same
time

Andy

"Steve Walker" wrote in message
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On 16/10/2017 11:09, wrote:
On 15 Oct 2017 14:56:08 GMT, David wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:15:51 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990


NT

Does this mean that under 18s can no longer buy oven cleaner?


P.S. I know that oven cleaners are mainly alkali but they are still
extremely corrosive

People will just have to DIY and make Lye from the ashes of the
woodburner , be really eco and use rainwater from the garden butt
which will be the easiest way to get soft water for many.
Fortunately the sort of gansta youths who are responsible for the rise
in attacks by corrosive substances aren't likely to be living in a
home with either.

So they'll just use a flammable liquid and a lighter instead of acid.

Could someone even be arrested for carrying a can a lighter fuel when they
can argue that it is to refill the lighter that they're also carrying?

Likely not given that only dinosaurs with zimmer frames use refillable
lighters anymore.

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:01:10 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

On Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37:31 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:40:20 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 14/10/2017 17:24, Tim Streater wrote:

Would that include explosives and firearms, then?


Yes It's up to the authorities (Police/Courts) to prove that I have an
unlawful intent. It doesn't stop me from being arrested on suspicion
in the meantime.

Are you sure about that? I thought a firearm was a prohibited item per
se?

Then how would our olympic teams practice ?
http://britishshooting.org.uk/news/t...Olympic_Round-
up&d=1244

A friend of mine learnt how to hold and fire a gun when she was 15 at a
rifle club.

At that age, I was firing Sterling sub machine guns...

ah - you did National Serviece?

I was rifle shooting at the age of 12.

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On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 10:39:20 +0100, charles wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 09:01:10 -0700, whisky-dave wrote:

On Saturday, 14 October 2017 18:37:31 UTC+1, Scott wrote:
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 17:40:20 +0100, alan_m
wrote:

On 14/10/2017 17:24, Tim Streater wrote:

Would that include explosives and firearms, then?


Yes It's up to the authorities (Police/Courts) to prove that I have
an unlawful intent. It doesn't stop me from being arrested on
suspicion in the meantime.

Are you sure about that? I thought a firearm was a prohibited item
per se?

Then how would our olympic teams practice ?
http://britishshooting.org.uk/news/t...Olympic_Round-
up&d=1244

A friend of mine learnt how to hold and fire a gun when she was 15 at
a rifle club.

At that age, I was firing Sterling sub machine guns...

ah - you did National Serviece?

No, Royal Marine Cadets. I don't think National service started at 15.


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On Monday, 16 October 2017 20:02:14 UTC+1, Steve Walker wrote:
On 16/10/2017 11:09, wrote:
On 15 Oct 2017 14:56:08 GMT, David wrote:

On Sat, 14 Oct 2017 05:15:51 -0700, tabbypurr wrote:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41614990


NT

Does this mean that under 18s can no longer buy oven cleaner?


P.S. I know that oven cleaners are mainly alkali but they are still
extremely corrosive

People will just have to DIY and make Lye from the ashes of the
woodburner , be really eco and use rainwater from the garden butt
which will be the easiest way to get soft water for many.
Fortunately the sort of gansta youths who are responsible for the rise
in attacks by corrosive substances aren't likely to be living in a
home with either.

So they'll just use a flammable liquid and a lighter instead of acid.

Could someone even be arrested for carrying a can a lighter fuel when
they can argue that it is to refill the lighter that they're also carrying?

SteveW

I wouldn't have thought so and what about a none smoker carrying such a thing shcok horror. Well I've carried a few in my time for my butane gas soldering iron.
I think it's reasonable easy detecting whether someone aims to do harm to another or is using the product as intended, although those with rather low IQs might have problems or easily fooled.