After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is well
designed.

DerbyBorn wrote:

After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I painted all my woodwork once soon after moving in (27 odd years ago)
and thought "never again", so left them until they *really* needed
doing, then replaced all doors/windows/soffits with PVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is well
designed.

Ditto, even with pretty cheap windows (from the dunster house
recommended on here) they were easy to fit (with a bit of help on the
largest ones), seal well and are quiet.

Been thinking about self-build for a while (but no plot yet) and if so I
might go with powder coated alu, or alu faced timber if I did.

But then if I consider a plot in a conservation area, they all go nuts
about timber windows, some of the foil grained, PVC made to mimic timber
windows (without welded corner joints, with real or fake butt hinges
added georgian bars, equal sight lines etc) look good to me, but I don't
know if it's possible to get them past the conservation mob - anyone tried?

On 15/08/17 16:35, DerbyBorn wrote:
After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is well
designed.



We've replaced the windows in our last two houses with uVPC ones. The
previous house had metal- steel- windows, with double glazed sealed
units (added by the previous owner). The sealed units had a small gap
and the metal frames, while in good condition, were terrible heat loss
wise (condensation etc). The change in our heating bills and general
'comfort' was huge.

This house had wooden frames with narrow gap sealed units. The frames
were in vary states of repair and some of the sealed units have failed.
We had them all replaced with modern uVPC- the dark wood finish outside,
white inside, with 'leaded' units. We also had the facias and soffits
replaced and, later, a porch added by 'filling in' and open porch.

Again, the change in heating bills and general comfort was huge- no
drafts, reduced bills, we were able to set the thermostat lower etc. an
still be very comfortable. Plus, of course, zero maintenance.

In the 'old' house, we had white finish, which was the same as the
originals. When he moved on, perhaps 7 years after the windows had been
replaced, the windows were fine but a bit 'grey'- not the pristine
white. We live near the old house and the windows are still, as far as I
know, they and look fine. From the road they don't look discoloured-
they will be something like 27 years old now.

The ones here have been in place may be 12 years, we've had no real
issues with them. A minor problem with the fit of one window, fixed
under warranty, and a problem with the front door lock, also fixed under
warranty without any fuss.

We've been looking at several other properties, not as a replacements,
an additional holiday place. A couple were 'Grade 2 listed' and the idea
of not being able to replace the windows etc with zero maintenance uVPC
filled me with dread. After years of not needing to worry about
painting exterior woodwork etc, I really don't want to face it again-
either as a DIY task or paying someone to bodge it.

In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
On 15/08/17 16:35, DerbyBorn wrote:
After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is well
designed.



We've replaced the windows in our last two houses with uVPC ones. The
previous house had metal- steel- windows, with double glazed sealed
units (added by the previous owner). The sealed units had a small gap
and the metal frames, while in good condition, were terrible heat loss
wise (condensation etc). The change in our heating bills and general
'comfort' was huge.

This house had wooden frames with narrow gap sealed units. The frames
were in vary states of repair and some of the sealed units have failed.
We had them all replaced with modern uVPC- the dark wood finish outside,
white inside, with 'leaded' units. We also had the facias and soffits
replaced and, later, a porch added by 'filling in' and open porch.

Again, the change in heating bills and general comfort was huge- no
drafts, reduced bills, we were able to set the thermostat lower etc. an
still be very comfortable. Plus, of course, zero maintenance.

In the 'old' house, we had white finish, which was the same as the
originals. When he moved on, perhaps 7 years after the windows had been
replaced, the windows were fine but a bit 'grey'- not the pristine
white. We live near the old house and the windows are still, as far as I
know, they and look fine. From the road they don't look discoloured-
they will be something like 27 years old now.

The ones here have been in place may be 12 years, we've had no real
issues with them. A minor problem with the fit of one window, fixed
under warranty, and a problem with the front door lock, also fixed under
warranty without any fuss.

We've been looking at several other properties, not as a replacements,
an additional holiday place. A couple were 'Grade 2 listed' and the idea
of not being able to replace the windows etc with zero maintenance uVPC
filled me with dread. After years of not needing to worry about
painting exterior woodwork etc, I really don't want to face it again-
either as a DIY task or paying someone to bodge it.

go for new wooden windows. We have. I had a colleague (I say had becasue
his funeral is next week) who foun the burglar resitance of uPVC to be zero
- a good push and they fall in.

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from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Tue, 15 Aug 2017 15:35:00 +0000, DerbyBorn wrote:

After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is
well designed.

Wise move. I wonder how much longer it will be before they declare uPVC
to be an environmental hazard, claim that it takes 1,000 years to
decompose in landfill so we'll have to pay a *massive* tax on it to
discourage its use. I'm surprised they haven't already tried this on, in
fact.



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In article 6,
DerbyBorn wrote:
After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is
well designed.

The quality does seem to vary, though. Pal had to replace a couple due to
the fittings rusting up. At about 10 years old.

I bought stock sized ones from Screwfix years ago - for the kitchen where
I wasn't worried about looks. (Don't want PVC in the living areas which
are original sash). And they've lasted very very well.

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Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article , Tim Streater
wrote:
In article , charles
wrote:

go for new wooden windows. We have. I had a colleague (I say had
becasue his funeral is next week) who foun the burglar resitance of uPVC
to be zero - a good push and they fall in.

Stuff and nonsense.

It happened to Martyn

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from KT24 in Surrey, England

On Tuesday, 15 August 2017 18:41:28 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article 6,
DerbyBorn wrote:
After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I really think the quality of them is fantastic. Obviously the
manufactureres are well tooled up - but everything fits so well and is
well designed.

The quality does seem to vary, though. Pal had to replace a couple due to
the fittings rusting up. At about 10 years old.

I bought stock sized ones from Screwfix years ago - for the kitchen where
I wasn't worried about looks. (Don't want PVC in the living areas which
are original sash). And they've lasted very very well.

--
*Rehab is for quitters

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

All the fittings are easily available.

"charles" wrote in message
...
In article , Tim Streater
wrote:
In article , charles
wrote:

go for new wooden windows. We have. I had a colleague (I say had
becasue his funeral is next week) who foun the burglar resitance of uPVC
to be zero - a good push and they fall in.

Stuff and nonsense.

It happened to Martyn

Because some ****wit ****ed up that window completely.

And when its even easier to break the glass, so ****ing what ?

DerbyBorn explained on 15/08/2017 :
After maintaining wooden window frames for about 30 years I have finally
changed them to uPVC.

I went through a similar process of fighting not to replace the wood
with PVC. I changed mine 5 years ago, best decision I ever made.

charles brought next idea :
go for new wooden windows. We have. I had a colleague (I say had becasue
his funeral is next week) who foun the burglar resitance of uPVC to be zero
- a good push and they fall in.

Maybe the early designs, not true of the modern ones.

In article , Harry Bloomfield
wrote:
charles brought next idea :
go for new wooden windows. We have. I had a colleague (I say had
becasue his funeral is next week) who foun the burglar resitance of
uPVC to be zero - a good push and they fall in.

Maybe the early designs, not true of the modern ones.

this was about 25 years ago.

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from KT24 in Surrey, England

On 15/08/2017 18:09, Cursitor Doom wrote:
Wise move. I wonder how much longer it will be before they declare uPVC
to be an environmental hazard, claim that it takes 1,000 years to
decompose in landfill

Which is all true not to mention generating HCl in a fire

so we'll have to pay a*massive* tax on it to
discourage its use. I'm surprised they haven't already tried this on, in
fact.

Andy