patching up a garage roof where old flaky diy glulam beams have
failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?
These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the rear
wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to be demolished &
rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks? But how big a pillar?

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patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

But how big a pillar?

You'd need a 16" square pillar so two blocks interleaved.

"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough. I already have the telegraph poles.


Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough. Correct steels hugely expensive & heavier.
I already have the telegraph poles.


These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

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jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

Yes it is.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough.

That's just plain wrong.

I already have the telegraph poles.

Sure, that's a significant consideration, but you have
to consider the higher cost of holding them up too.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough.

That is just plain wrong and even with telegraph
poles you are free to use say 6x6" etc anyway.

Correct steels hugely expensive

Nope.

& heavier.

Duh.

I already have the telegraph poles.

But have to consider the cost of holding them
up and the cost of getting them up there too.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

It clearly is for you given you were stupid enough to
consider 4" concrete blocks to hold up telegraph poles.

"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

Yes it is.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough.

That's just plain wrong.

I already have the telegraph poles.

Sure, that's a significant consideration, but you have
to consider the higher cost of holding them up too.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough.

That is just plain wrong and even with telegraph
poles you are free to use say 6x6" etc anyway.

Correct steels hugely expensive

Nope.

& heavier.

Duh.

I already have the telegraph poles.

But have to consider the cost of holding them
up and the cost of getting them up there too.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

It clearly is for you given you were stupid enough to
consider 4" concrete blocks to hold up telegraph poles.


Standard building block in UK.

Only a terminal dumb ass ****wit would start claiming they know
anything about the structural detail of something they haven't
seen, have no measurements of nor detailed description! :-D :-D


Only a real ultimate knobhead would then defend their "assertions"
without asking for further info..

That would be so you woddles :-D
Thanks for reminding me :-D

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"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

Yes it is.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough.

That's just plain wrong.

I already have the telegraph poles.

Sure, that's a significant consideration, but you have
to consider the higher cost of holding them up too.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough.

That is just plain wrong and even with telegraph
poles you are free to use say 6x6" etc anyway.

Correct steels hugely expensive

Nope.

& heavier.

Duh.

I already have the telegraph poles.

But have to consider the cost of holding them
up and the cost of getting them up there too.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

It clearly is for you given you were stupid enough to
consider 4" concrete blocks to hold up telegraph poles.


Standard building block in UK.

But not for making pillars with telegraph poles
on with a single block wide stack of them.

Only a terminal dumb ass ****wit would start claiming they know
anything about the structural detail of something they haven't
seen, have no measurements of nor detailed description! :-D :-D

Don't need anything more than you clear statement that
you will be stupid enough to use telegraph poles for a shed
roof just because you happen to have them and that you
are actually stupid enough to not realise that pillars of
4" blocks stacked on top of each other aint gunna fly.

Only a real ultimate knobhead would then defend
their "assertions" without asking for further info..

Don't need any, what you have already provided is ample.

"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:


"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

Yes it is.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough.

That's just plain wrong.

I already have the telegraph poles.

Sure, that's a significant consideration, but you have
to consider the higher cost of holding them up too.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough.

That is just plain wrong and even with telegraph
poles you are free to use say 6x6" etc anyway.

Correct steels hugely expensive

Nope.

& heavier.

Duh.

I already have the telegraph poles.

But have to consider the cost of holding them
up and the cost of getting them up there too.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

It clearly is for you given you were stupid enough to
consider 4" concrete blocks to hold up telegraph poles.


Standard building block in UK.

But not for making pillars with telegraph poles
on with a single block wide stack of them.

Only a terminal dumb ass ****wit would start claiming they know
anything about the structural detail of something they haven't
seen, have no measurements of nor detailed description! :-D :-D

Don't need anything more than you clear statement that
you will be stupid enough to use telegraph poles for a shed
roof just because you happen to have them and that you
are actually stupid enough to not realise that pillars of
4" blocks stacked on top of each other aint gunna fly.

Only a real ultimate knobhead would then defend
their "assertions" without asking for further info..

Don't need any, what you have already provided is ample.

:-D Walker :-D
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jim k Wrote in message:
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:


"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

Yes it is.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough.

That's just plain wrong.

I already have the telegraph poles.

Sure, that's a significant consideration, but you have
to consider the higher cost of holding them up too.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough.

That is just plain wrong and even with telegraph
poles you are free to use say 6x6" etc anyway.

Correct steels hugely expensive

Nope.

& heavier.

Duh.

I already have the telegraph poles.

But have to consider the cost of holding them
up and the cost of getting them up there too.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

It clearly is for you given you were stupid enough to
consider 4" concrete blocks to hold up telegraph poles.


Standard building block in UK.

But not for making pillars with telegraph poles
on with a single block wide stack of them.

Only a terminal dumb ass ****wit would start claiming they know
anything about the structural detail of something they haven't
seen, have no measurements of nor detailed description! :-D :-D

Don't need anything more than you clear statement that
you will be stupid enough to use telegraph poles for a shed
roof just because you happen to have them and that you
are actually stupid enough to not realise that pillars of
4" blocks stacked on top of each other aint gunna fly.

Only a real ultimate knobhead would then defend
their "assertions" without asking for further info..

Don't need any, what you have already provided is ample.

:-D Walker :-D

Damn auto correct......

:-D ****** :-D :-D

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"jim" k wrote in message
...
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:


"jim" k wrote in message
o.uk...
"Rod Speed" Wrote in message:
jim k wrote
Rod Speed wrote
jim k wrote

patching up a garage roof where old
flaky diy glulam beams have failed.

Using telegraph poles in place of them.

That's considerable over design
and a lot of weight to hold up.

Not in this application it's not.

Yes it is.

I'd use galvanised pressed steel beams
myself, in fact have done for the house.

Not strong enough.

That's just plain wrong.

I already have the telegraph poles.

Sure, that's a significant consideration, but you have
to consider the higher cost of holding them up too.

Want to build 7ft piers/pillars to support the far ends &
wondering what's the best way to design & build them?

I'd use 4x2" steel RHS myself.

Not strong enough.

That is just plain wrong and even with telegraph
poles you are free to use say 6x6" etc anyway.

Correct steels hugely expensive

Nope.

& heavier.

Duh.

I already have the telegraph poles.

But have to consider the cost of holding them
up and the cost of getting them up there too.

These pillars won't (initially or ever) be attached to the
rear wall of the garage as this has bowed & is next to
be demolished & rebuilt once the roof is sorted.

Dugout and laid a strong rebarred foundation approx 1m x 0.5m.

So thinking 4" concrete blocks?

Not rigid enough, you'd need 8" concrete blocks if you are
going that route even if you don't use telegraph poles and
would need that in spades if you still use telegraph poles.

That's why that wall has bowed, it isnt rigid enough.

No ****!

It clearly is for you given you were stupid enough to
consider 4" concrete blocks to hold up telegraph poles.


Standard building block in UK.

But not for making pillars with telegraph poles
on with a single block wide stack of them.

Only a terminal dumb ass ****wit would start claiming they know
anything about the structural detail of something they haven't
seen, have no measurements of nor detailed description! :-D :-D

Don't need anything more than you clear statement that
you will be stupid enough to use telegraph poles for a shed
roof just because you happen to have them and that you
are actually stupid enough to not realise that pillars of
4" blocks stacked on top of each other aint gunna fly.

Only a real ultimate knobhead would then defend
their "assertions" without asking for further info..

Don't need any, what you have already provided is ample.

:-D Walker :-D

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.