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I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. I doubt that you can get brass ones. I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint. Another Bob |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote: Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. I doubt that you can get brass ones. I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint. Another Bob There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads slot. Before || || Modified \| |\ As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver out as it rotates. The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted". AB |
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On 22/07/2017 13:31, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. I doubt that you can get brass ones. I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint. Another Bob There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads slot. Before || || Modified \| |\ As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver out as it rotates. The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted". I would have thought an impact driver, depending on the precise use, could be used to turn a difficult screw. |
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On 22/07/17 13:35, Fredxxx wrote:
I would have thought And everyone fell about laughing. -- The biggest threat to humanity comes from socialism, which has utterly diverted our attention away from what really matters to our existential survival, to indulging in navel gazing and faux moral investigations into what the world ought to be, whilst we fail utterly to deal with what it actually is. |
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On 22/07/2017 14:12, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 22/07/17 13:35, Fredxxx wrote: I would have thought And everyone fell about laughing. Any amusement will be down to your infatuation with Andrea Leadsom. |
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Fredxxx wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:31, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. I doubt that you can get brass ones. I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint. Another Bob There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads slot. Before || || Modified \| |\ As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver out as it rotates. The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted". I would have thought an impact driver, depending on the precise use, could be used to turn a difficult screw. Or a hacksaw/Dremel cut at right angles to the original one. -- Roger Hayter |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:31:25 -0700, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. I doubt that you can get brass ones. I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint. Another Bob There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads slot. Before || || Modified \| |\ As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver out as it rotates. The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted". AB Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones". Sorry :-( AB |
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On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones". Sorry :-( AB They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the screwdriver grip them. |
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On 22/07/2017 16:30, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote: Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones". Sorry :-( AB They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the screwdriver grip them. Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw attention to themselves! -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:31:25 -0700, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin wrote: Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. I doubt that you can get brass ones. I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint. Another Bob There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads slot. Before || || Modified \| |\ As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver out as it rotates. The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted". As I said, I don't really want 'one way' ones. I have fitted some of those to a back gate before now. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Maybe just make it difficult by filling the screw slots with clear epoxy? Cheers -- Clive |
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On 22/07/2017 12:55, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Maybe just make it difficult by filling the screw slots with clear epoxy? Cheers Or - tap a short length of thick enough copper wire into the slot using a screwdriver. The wire should be sized to deform and jam in. Cheers -- Clive |
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Hi Bob
Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Perhaps you could get Philips/Pozi Brass screws, and then countersink the screw head after fitting? Tho' TBH I am not sure if these exist, given the relative softness of brass. Just a thought... Jon N |
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On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. There is a trick that michaelcthulhu uses when making some of his fantasy swords, to get something not brass to look like it. https://www.youtube.com/user/michaelcthulhu It basically involves heating the steel, and then brushing it with a brass bristle brush while hot. The brass gets deposited onto the steel, plating it and making it look like brass. Probably would work on steel security screws. -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:18:15 +0100, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. There is a trick that michaelcthulhu uses when making some of his fantasy swords, to get something not brass to look like it. https://www.youtube.com/user/michaelcthulhu It basically involves heating the steel, and then brushing it with a brass bristle brush while hot. The brass gets deposited onto the steel, plating it and making it look like brass. Probably would work on steel security screws. I'll try that! Thanks. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 22/07/2017 15:18, John Rumm wrote:
Probably would work on steel security screws. My experience with brass coated steal screws is that the rust shows through quite quickly. -- mailto: news {at} admac {dot] myzen {dot} co {dot} uk |
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On Fri, 28 Jul 2017 18:26:45 +0100, alan_m
wrote: On 22/07/2017 15:18, John Rumm wrote: Probably would work on steel security screws. My experience with brass coated steal screws is that the rust shows through quite quickly. Love that new name for security screws you did there. G.Harman |
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On 28/07/2017 18:26, alan_m wrote:
On 22/07/2017 15:18, John Rumm wrote: Probably would work on steel security screws. My experience with brass coated steal screws is that the rust shows through quite quickly. Use stainless screws as a base then... -- Cheers, John. /================================================== ===============\ | Internode Ltd - http://www.internode.co.uk | |-----------------------------------------------------------------| | John Rumm - john(at)internode(dot)co(dot)uk | \================================================= ================/ |
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On Saturday, 22 July 2017 12:22:21 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. There is another option. Put epoxy in the pilot hole before the screw. Then it won't unscrew. Heat it up to get it out. NT |
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Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets, etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) -- *Cover me. I'm changing lanes. Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:32:47 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets, etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Yes, I was wondering about that. I'll have a look. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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On 7/22/2017 3:48 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:32:47 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets, etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Yes, I was wondering about that. I'll have a look. I wouldn't trust self locking nuts. Either two nuts as a proper lock nut, or (since you are using brass) just solder nuts on the inside. |
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 19:23:46 +0100, newshound wrote:
On 7/22/2017 3:48 PM, Bob Eager wrote: On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:32:47 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: In article , Bob Eager wrote: I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets, etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Yes, I was wondering about that. I'll have a look. I wouldn't trust self locking nuts. Either two nuts as a proper lock nut, or (since you are using brass) just solder nuts on the inside. That's a good idea. -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated :
3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary. |
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Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated : 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary. *Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-) -- *Wrinkled was not one of the things I wanted to be when I grew up Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-) Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5 Farnell: 1419448 -- Cheers Dave. |
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Dave Liquorice wrote: On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote: *Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-) Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5 Farnell: 1419448 Oh - indeed. I meant in terms of popping down your local shed to get them. Last time I looked, Screwfix didn't have them. -- *Until I was thirteen, I thought my name was SHUT UP . Dave Plowman London SW To e-mail, change noise into sound. |
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On 23/07/2017 10:42, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated : 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary. *Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-) http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M3-5-3-5mm...-/111655726331 |
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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article , Harry Bloomfield wrote: It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated : 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-) Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary. *Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-) https://www.comdir.co.uk/hexagonal-nuts.html -- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor |
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Dave Plowman (News) brought next idea :
*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-) I think I have a few in a box somewhere.. |
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On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've cleaned the rest of the brass!) I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones. You could always just paint over them a lot. Just like the hinge screws on most of my doors, and they take forever to unscrew..... |
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On 22 Jul 2017 11:22:17 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though). Hum, if you live in area where a small brass plate is going to go walkies, you probably have other problems to worry about. That's assuming the brass plate isn't "collectable" for a reason other than scrap value. -- Cheers Dave. |
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On 22 Jul 2017 11:22:17 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:
-- My posts are my copyright and if @diy_forums or Home Owners' Hub wish to copy them they can pay me £1 a message. Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org *lightning surge protection* - a w_tom conductor Your link contains no payment details. When you say 'can pay me' I assume this is a voluntary payment. Out of interest, do you find this a lucrative exercise? |
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