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I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

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Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

I doubt that you can get brass ones.
I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them
to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint.

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I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


Maybe just make it difficult by filling the screw slots with clear epoxy?

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Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

I doubt that you can get brass ones.
I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them
to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint.

Another Bob

There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one
would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads
slot. Before

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Modified

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As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying
to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate
rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver
out as it rotates.

The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted".

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On 22/07/2017 13:31, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

I doubt that you can get brass ones.
I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them
to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint.

Another Bob

There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one
would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads
slot. Before

||
||

Modified

\|
|\

As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying
to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate
rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver
out as it rotates.

The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted".


I would have thought an impact driver, depending on the precise use,
could be used to turn a difficult screw.


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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

I doubt that you can get brass ones.
I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them
to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint.

Another Bob

There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one
would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads
slot. Before

||
||

Modified

\|
|\

As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying
to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate
rather than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver
out as it rotates.

The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted".

AB


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB
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I would have thought


And everyone fell about laughing.


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On 22/07/2017 12:55, Clive Arthur wrote:
On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


Maybe just make it difficult by filling the screw slots with clear epoxy?

Cheers


Or - tap a short length of thick enough copper wire into the slot using
a screwdriver. The wire should be sized to deform and jam in.

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I would have thought


And everyone fell about laughing.


Any amusement will be down to your infatuation with Andrea Leadsom.
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 05:31:25 -0700, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:

On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 12:36:09 +0100, Bob Minchin
wrote:

Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws
in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way'
ones.

I doubt that you can get brass ones.
I'd opt for stainless steel and a home blackening kit if you want them
to blend in with the door or even a dab of black paint.

Another Bob

There used to bi a trick before security screws came along where one
would file or even cut an angle on the edges of a slotted screw heads
slot. Before

||
||

Modified

\|
|\

As the above hopefully depicts, the screw can be tightened, but trying
to turn the screwdriver anticlockwise allows the driver to rotate rather
than turn the screw. A small incline will push the screwdriver out as it
rotates.

The screw is in for good though it would have to be "extracted".


As I said, I don't really want 'one way' ones. I have fitted some of
those to a back gate before now.



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Hi Bob

Bob Eager wrote:

I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

Perhaps you could get Philips/Pozi Brass screws, and then countersink the
screw head after fitting? Tho' TBH I am not sure if these exist, given the
relative softness of brass.

Just a thought...

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On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


There is a trick that michaelcthulhu uses when making some of his
fantasy swords, to get something not brass to look like it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/michaelcthulhu

It basically involves heating the steel, and then brushing it with a
brass bristle brush while hot. The brass gets deposited onto the steel,
plating it and making it look like brass.

Probably would work on steel security screws.

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Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)


I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).


Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts
inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will
turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets,
etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)

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On Saturday, 22 July 2017 12:22:21 UTC+1, Bob Eager wrote:

I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


There is another option. Put epoxy in the pilot hole before the screw. Then it won't unscrew. Heat it up to get it out.


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Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)


I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws
in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).


Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts
inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will
turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets,
etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Yes, I was wondering about that. I'll have a look.



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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:18:15 +0100, John Rumm wrote:

On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws
in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


There is a trick that michaelcthulhu uses when making some of his
fantasy swords, to get something not brass to look like it.

https://www.youtube.com/user/michaelcthulhu

It basically involves heating the steel, and then brushing it with a
brass bristle brush while hot. The brass gets deposited onto the steel,
plating it and making it look like brass.

Probably would work on steel security screws.


I'll try that! Thanks.



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Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.

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On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.


Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw
attention to themselves!


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On 7/22/2017 3:48 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:32:47 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

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Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)


I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws
in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).


Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.


Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking nuts
inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the nuts will
turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily for sockets,
etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Yes, I was wondering about that. I'll have a look.



I wouldn't trust self locking nuts. Either two nuts as a proper lock
nut, or (since you are using brass) just solder nuts on the inside.
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It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated :
3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary.


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On 7/22/2017 3:48 PM, Bob Eager wrote:
On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 15:32:47 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

In article ,
Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws
in case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way'
ones.

Instead of using wood screws, use machine screws with self locking
nuts inside? Then if anyone tries to unscrew from the outside, the
nuts will turn with the screws? Long brass screws can be got easily
for sockets, etc. 3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Yes, I was wondering about that. I'll have a look.



I wouldn't trust self locking nuts. Either two nuts as a proper lock
nut, or (since you are using brass) just solder nuts on the inside.


That's a good idea.



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On 22/07/2017 12:22, Bob Eager wrote:
I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

You could always just paint over them a lot. Just like the hinge screws
on most of my doors, and they take forever to unscrew.....
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On 22/07/2017 16:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:30, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.


Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw
attention to themselves!



If someone came and parked a van saying doors and windows outside your
house and then started to work on your front door do you really think
anyone would take any notice?


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On 22 Jul 2017 11:22:17 GMT, Bob Eager wrote:

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is,
though).


Hum, if you live in area where a small brass plate is going to go
walkies, you probably have other problems to worry about. That's
assuming the brass plate isn't "collectable" for a reason other than
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On 22/07/2017 16:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:30, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.


Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw
attention to themselves!



If someone came and parked a van saying doors and windows outside your
house and then started to work on your front door do you really think
anyone would take any notice?


Unlikely they would spend that much on their van just to get a brass plate.

Someone as stupid as you may well be that stupid.



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On 22/07/2017 21:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:30, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.


Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw
attention to themselves!



If someone came and parked a van saying doors and windows outside your
house and then started to work on your front door do you really think
anyone would take any notice?


That seems like a lot of effort to go to to pinch a brass plate!


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chuckle. Well if the locals want to nick brass plates do you have an alarm
system? I wince made one to protect a key switch holder blocking up an
internal door letter box with a plate, but behind the plate was a spring
contact for the alarm so removing the plate screws and pulling the plate set
the alarm off.



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I am about to fix a small brass plate to the front door. The door is
black, with brass door furniture, so it should look OK (after I've
cleaned the rest of the brass!)

I'd like to use some brass screws, but wondered about security screws in
case some scrote decides to nick it (not sure how likely this is, though).

Can you get brass security screws, or are they too soft to work? Even
Torx or Torx+pin would be good; I don't really want the 'one way' ones.

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3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary.


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On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)


Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5
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On 22/07/2017 21:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:30, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.

Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw
attention to themselves!



If someone came and parked a van saying doors and windows outside your
house and then started to work on your front door do you really think
anyone would take any notice?


That seems like a lot of effort to go to to pinch a brass plate!



Just an example, people really don't take much notice of "workmen".



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It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated :
3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary.


*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)


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Harry Bloomfield wrote:
It happens that Dave Plowman (News) formulated :
3.5mm locking nuts might take some finding. ;-)


Thread-lock makes locking nuts unnecessary.


*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)


https://www.comdir.co.uk/hexagonal-nuts.html

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On 23/07/2017 12:13, dennis@home wrote:
On 23/07/2017 00:57, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 21:00, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:39, John Rumm wrote:
On 22/07/2017 16:30, dennis@home wrote:
On 22/07/2017 13:38, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:


Apologies! Just realised these are "one way ones".

Sorry :-(


AB


They aren't really one way as a few taps with a hammer will make the
screwdriver grip them.

Although on a front door, someone hitting it with a hammer might draw
attention to themselves!



If someone came and parked a van saying doors and windows outside your
house and then started to work on your front door do you really think
anyone would take any notice?


That seems like a lot of effort to go to to pinch a brass plate!



Just an example, people really don't take much notice of "workmen".


Indeed, one of the ironies of HiVis clothing - it makes you invisible.


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*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)


Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5
Farnell: 1419448


Oh - indeed. I meant in terms of popping down your local shed to get them.
Last time I looked, Screwfix didn't have them.

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On Sunday, 23 July 2017 15:33:04 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)


Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5
Farnell: 1419448


Oh - indeed. I meant in terms of popping down your local shed to get them.
Last time I looked, Screwfix didn't have them.


if you do electrical diy you'll have plenty sitting about.


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On Sunday, 23 July 2017 15:33:04 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)


Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5 Farnell: 1419448


Oh - indeed. I meant in terms of popping down your local shed to get
them. Last time I looked, Screwfix didn't have them.


if you do electrical diy you'll have plenty sitting about.


Screws of various lengths, yes; a tap for opening out old 4BA holes, but
screws? I've never found the need.

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In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
wrote:
On Sunday, 23 July 2017 15:33:04 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)

Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5 Farnell: 1419448

Oh - indeed. I meant in terms of popping down your local shed to get
them. Last time I looked, Screwfix didn't have them.


if you do electrical diy you'll have plenty sitting about.


Screws of various lengths, yes; a tap for opening out old 4BA holes, but
screws? I've never found the need.


sory, I meant "nuts".

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I've never found the need.
sory, I meant "nuts".


I've quite enjoyed having mine :-)

Owain

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On Sunday, 23 July 2017 16:31:47 UTC+1, charles wrote:
In article ,
charles wrote:
In article ,
tabbypurr wrote:
On Sunday, 23 July 2017 15:33:04 UTC+1, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article l.net,
Dave Liquorice wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jul 2017 10:42:00 +0100, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:


*Any* 3.5mm nuts may take some finding. ;-)

Full nut, steel, BZP, M3.5 Farnell: 1419448

Oh - indeed. I meant in terms of popping down your local shed to get
them. Last time I looked, Screwfix didn't have them.


if you do electrical diy you'll have plenty sitting about.


Screws of various lengths, yes; a tap for opening out old 4BA holes, but
screws? I've never found the need.


sory, I meant "nuts".


I'm sorry to hear you've never found the need for your nuts. Nearly every electrical backbox contains a pair.


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