"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp" wrote in
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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:18:54 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:48:29 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 19:43, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:25:35 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 03:59, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:18:22 +0100, Fredxxx
wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...estigation_and


Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total
Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs,

More should have voted Tory, then we wouldn't be in the position of
a
small party having so much power.

But they made the stupid mess! The election was called for no reason
but to ride to victory on what they thought was a pushover. Only one
of an endless series of idiotic errors.

while the
public rely on food banks,

I don't see any true reliance with very few exceptions. Next you
will be
claiming nurses need to use foodbanks because they used their cash
for
foreign travel

Don't be stupid, food banks are a fact. Food banks didn't exist
under
Labour, perhaps nurses found it more cost effective to buy clothes
for
trips abroad rather than beg for food?

a dysfunctional NHS and see the disabled
penalised because of they have a house with two bedrooms.

I don't see any disabled person owning their own house being
penalised.
I do see some living in bigger houses than they need. What is a
shame is
the bedroom tax didn't apply to those of pensionable age who really
ought to downsize.


Should they? What sort of sick society do you want, where people are
shifted from their homes because they are deemed to have an extra
room.

You are missing one important point: this IS NOT their home. These
are
usually heavily state-subsidised houses that belong to the state
(local
council). They were eligible for them because they managed to prove
that
they wouldn't not be able to otherwise afford such a house.

Now that they no longer require such large houses (and subsidies)
they
have two choices: pay market rate for them, of find more suitable
(i.e.
smaller) accommodation instead.
Smaller accomodation wasn't available in my locality. These "larger"
homes were merely two bedrooms, the norm in most places.

Then you need to move elsewhere because houses that you can afford are
not available in that locality. This is what the rest of us do - live
where we can afford to live.

What builder would put up a one bedroom house?

Living off the state (even partially), unless your are disabled or
similar, is not a God given right.
I think you will find that people living off the state may well be
disabled or unemployed.

If people are in need of help they do have a right to it.

Do they?
If people do not need help, it's a problem for the government.

Anyway the biggest drain on the welfare system is pensioners, let's
see the resident idiot at number 10 banish them to food banks.

More of your bull****. Pensioner make net contribution to the economy.

AB
But of course, silly me.

The factory gates are just swarming with pensioners at four oclock.

We have millions all ready and waiting to provide a few light bulbs at
B&Q.


To make a contribution to the economy you have to provide goods or
services.

Nope, just consume those.

Are you not aware of the falling birthrate problem and how it links to
pensions?

Not a problem while ever there are lots of immigrants showing up.

Try googling Ponzi, it may help you understand how the pension system
works.

Even sillier than you usually manage.

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Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
In article ,
Brian Gaff wrote:
Best thing to happen in my view would be a government of national
unity
a chance to see if all these people can put their dogmas to bed and
actually think of us for a change. Sadly that won't happen will it.

How can you have a government of national unity when the country is
more
split than for many a year?


The country is not split. The people want us to get out of the EU
ASAP. Even the Labour party.

perhaps not.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...solidifies-whi
ch-half-his-voters-should-he


tim




He hasn't a choice. In order to renationalise things he must be outside
the EU!

is that right?

I can't really believe it

Of course it isn't true. Typical Leave lies.
Look at Germany.

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:25:35 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 03:59, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:18:22 +0100, Fredxxx
wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp
wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nd_resignation

Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total
Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs,

More should have voted Tory, then we wouldn't be in the position of
a
small party having so much power.

But they made the stupid mess! The election was called for no reason
but to ride to victory on what they thought was a pushover. Only one
of an endless series of idiotic errors.

while the
public rely on food banks,

I don't see any true reliance with very few exceptions. Next you
will
be
claiming nurses need to use foodbanks because they used their cash
for
foreign travel

Don't be stupid, food banks are a fact. Food banks didn't exist
under
Labour, perhaps nurses found it more cost effective to buy clothes
for
trips abroad rather than beg for food?

a dysfunctional NHS and see the disabled
penalised because of they have a house with two bedrooms.

I don't see any disabled person owning their own house being
penalised.
I do see some living in bigger houses than they need. What is a
shame
is
the bedroom tax didn't apply to those of pensionable age who really
ought to downsize.


Should they? What sort of sick society do you want, where people are
shifted from their homes because they are deemed to have an extra
room.

You are missing one important point: this IS NOT their home. These are
usually heavily state-subsidised houses that belong to the state
(local
council). They were eligible for them because they managed to prove
that
they wouldn't not be able to otherwise afford such a house.

Now that they no longer require such large houses (and subsidies) they
have two choices: pay market rate for them, of find more suitable
(i.e.
smaller) accommodation instead.
Smaller accomodation wasn't available in my locality. These "larger"
homes were merely two bedrooms, the norm in most places.

I really don't give a damn anyway, the pathetic pittance involved only
has relevance to someone who is in dire straits anyway.

It,s simply grinding those that have nothing into the mire.

No one has nothing, they obviously have their benefits.

And there is no mire either. They are free to take in a lodger.

Could be a rapist, murderer, child molester

Statistically very unlikely. Much more likely
that the other family members are that.

Oh come now!

That's a fact.

In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
On 26/06/2017 14:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing the DUP with
getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money? Just to keep herself in
office for a few more months?


Is it any different to the 'bribes' offered by (potential) governments
to the electorate?

Very much so. Those tend to be in the manifesto. This bribe has only one
purpose - to keep a very flawed PM in power. Very likely not for long,
either.

Unlike the SNP, the DUP have asked for a 'deal' much of which benefits
the wider UK.

Don't be silly. The SNP could be said to speak for Scotland given their
very big majority last time round. And still a big majority now.

BTW, while I dread the idea of Corbyn even walking by No 10, I've no
time for May. Sadly, the Tories see to have lost their way.

Think people are finally waking up to the point that the Tories only look
after a tiny percentage of the UK population. Despite their claims
otherwise.

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In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Of course, Our Dave wants to paint it as a "bribe to the DUP", a
typical socialist lie that tries to implant the idea that the DUP
itself gets the dosh.

Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. You've failed - again.

But perhaps you actually think the individual careers of those DUP MPs
won't benefit from this bribe?

It would be a very rare politician who didn't claim he was responsible for
things like extra investment in the infrastructure, etc.

But carry on with your feeble excuses. I can just imagine you frothing at
the mouth if a similar thing happened in the EU...

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On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:36:46 +0100, "dennis@home"
wrote:

On 27/06/2017 16:01, whisky-dave wrote:

yes on saturday I negotiated a kebab from the kebab shop.


How much discount did you get?

I paid the money they asked for. Which is similar to what the conseratives did, the DUP said 1 billion my kebab was a bit cheaper.



You should be negotiating brexit.

I'm certain he would do a better job than TM.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:10:35 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Mark
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 17:04:02 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , James Harris
wrote:

On 27/06/2017 14:18, Mark wrote:

It depends on what you mean by a "stable government".

Simply, one that will last for a while (for some definition of a while).

Corbyn leading a rainbow coalition of every other party would still not
get a majority without the support of the DUP or the Tories. The LibDems
and SNP have ruled out supporting the Conservatives. Hence there is
really no way to form a stable government at the moment other than Tory
+ DUP. There is no other option on the parliamentary arithmetic given
the entrenched positions of the LibDems, SNP etc.

Well quite.

Tories with DUP gives a majority which can govern. Having a government
with a decent majority is the best outcome after an election.

Not in this case.

At least
in 1997, when the charlatan Blair came to power, it was known who was
in charge and therefore responsible.

Still not good.

A lot better than a coalition.

I thought you were a died-in-the-wool Tory so wouldn't support in any
way a Labour government.

It's also worth pointing out to those who think that First Past The
Post is unfair, that the sort of mess we have now would be *routine*
with PR.

FPTP *is* unfair and undemocratic.

Who cares?

I do.

I want a government that can govern, which can take
decisions and which can be held accountable.

I want a government that represents the voters and can be held
accountable. There's very little accountability under the FPTP system
owing to many factors including "Safe Seats".

In 2010, the coalition we got then was put in place in, what
was it, 10 days? On the continent, three months is more usual, and the
Belgians went for a year without a government because one could not be
formed.

It doesn't need to be like this.

You got some magic formula then? Th eItalians and Belgians would love
to hear from you.

It's not magic, just common sense.

When New Zealand went PR, for the next election the two main parties
there had manifestos of about 20 pages each. Neither had a majority
after the election so they had to go into coalition. That took three
months to create, their coalition agreement was 60 pages long, and was
a document that no-one had voted for.

And no-one had voted for a Tory-DUP coalition.

It's not actually a coalition. The Tories will carry the can for all
decisions.

And do what the DUP tell them and the country will pay them loads of
money.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:37:08 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article . com, bm
wrote:

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 27/06/2017 21:14, Tim Streater wrote:

Steptoe hasn't condemned "violence of any kind". He doesn't give a ****
about what is said about him in the MSM or in Parliament. He's happy
just to pick up a mike and address 200k rich middle-class layabouts at
Glasto. And I expect you've all seen the pix of the mess they left
behind.

It was Glasto of Armed Forces Day gatherings for him to choose from...

No contest. He could bull**** Glasto more easily especially if they'll pay
~200 notes to get in.
Heaven help us if he ever becomes PM.
Actually, heaven help the following Tory guvmint.

If Corbyn gets in, there prolly wouldn't *be* a "following Tory
Gumment", or indeed any Gumment except more Steptoe. He'd act as
quickly as Adolf did in 1933, and in just the same way.

He'd soon be "acting to prevent disorder", and if that involved asking
for military help from "friendly Socialist countries" in order to
"enforce the settled will of the people", then so be it.

You have a real talent for fiction. I think a career as an author
beckons.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:16:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:

In article ,
Brian Reay wrote:
On 26/06/2017 14:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing the DUP with
getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money? Just to keep herself in
office for a few more months?


Is it any different to the 'bribes' offered by (potential) governments
to the electorate?

Very much so. Those tend to be in the manifesto. This bribe has only one
purpose - to keep a very flawed PM in power. Very likely not for long,
either.

Unlike the SNP, the DUP have asked for a 'deal' much of which benefits
the wider UK.

Don't be silly. The SNP could be said to speak for Scotland given their
very big majority last time round. And still a big majority now.

BTW, while I dread the idea of Corbyn even walking by No 10, I've no
time for May. Sadly, the Tories see to have lost their way.

Think people are finally waking up to the point that the Tories only look
after a tiny percentage of the UK population. Despite their claims
otherwise.

If only. Too many people seemed to be taken in by Tory propaganda.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:29:51 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, 27 June 2017 19:48:37 UTC+1, JoeJoe wrote:
Smaller accomodation wasn't available in my locality. These "larger"
homes were merely two bedrooms, the norm in most places.
Then you need to move elsewhere because houses that you can afford are
not available in that locality. This is what the rest of us do - live
where we can afford to live.

Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)

Iff you have a spare room.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:00:47 +0100, Capitol wrote:

Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:56:25 +0100, Capitol wrote:

RJH wrote:
On 27/06/2017 09:59, JoeJoe wrote:
On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nd_resignation


Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs, while the
public rely on food banks,

Nobody in this country requires a food bank.

It's difficult to know where to start with a comment like that.

You're wrong, obviously. But whether that's ignorance and bigotry, or
some sort of trolling, or you have some non-familiar definition of
'require' is difficult to tell.

I'll give you a couple of sources that have informed my view:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2j1u30Sk_Y
https://www.jrf.org.uk/austerity-uk-food-bank-queues-highlight-impact-rising-bills


And obviously visiting a couple of them.

I don't expect a reply ;-)


Nobody in this counry needs a food bank. They might need training on
how to stop wasting a limited supply of money.

If only that were true. Unfortunately even employed people have need
of food banks. I don't believe anyone would use them without proper
need. Would you?


I have lived on the poverty line, have you? My comments are based on
experience.

I find that hard to believe, given your naivity. I have been poor and
even homeless for a short time so I have real experience.

But you haven't answered the question.

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:06:55 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 20:04, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:59:07 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nd_resignation

Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs, while the
public rely on food banks,

Nobody in this country requires a food bank.

Precisely, a bit like wine bars and theatres. A place to socialise,
and discuss the merits of own brand beans.

It really is sad that there are people as ignorant as yourself around.

People do rely on food banks, and it's a disgusting national disgrace.

They may rely on them, but they don't need them.

People DO need them. Even employed people on low wages often don't
have enough money to make ends meet. Inflation is much higher than
wage-growth for many people.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:59:27 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article , Mark
wrote:

On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 21:10:35 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

I want a government that can govern, which can take
decisions and which can be held accountable.

I want a government that represents the voters and can be held
accountable. There's very little accountability under the FPTP system
owing to many factors including "Safe Seats".

A seat is only "safe" because lots of people vote in one particular
way. Not for some spurious other reason.

There's many reasons. If the seats weren't safe the parties would
parachute in senior party members to be the candidate.

In 2010, the coalition we got then was put in place in, what
was it, 10 days? On the continent, three months is more usual, and the
Belgians went for a year without a government because one could not be
formed.

It doesn't need to be like this.

You got some magic formula then? Th eItalians and Belgians would love
to hear from you.

It's not magic, just common sense.

Oh please do expand on that.

I don't believe in magic.

When New Zealand went PR, for the next election the two main parties
there had manifestos of about 20 pages each. Neither had a majority
after the election so they had to go into coalition. That took three
months to create, their coalition agreement was 60 pages long, and was
a document that no-one had voted for.

And no-one had voted for a Tory-DUP coalition.

It's not actually a coalition. The Tories will carry the can for all
decisions.

And do what the DUP tell them and the country will pay them loads of
money.

The DUP won't be telling them anything. And the DUP won't be getting
any money, either.

There's loads of money on the table. And the DUP will demand
concessions for their support.

In article ,
Mark wrote:
Think people are finally waking up to the point that the Tories only
look after a tiny percentage of the UK population. Despite their claims
otherwise.

If only. Too many people seemed to be taken in by Tory propaganda.

I was too. After May's very pretty speech on gaining power. Where she said
she was going to help the underprivileged and the 'only just managing'.

One year down the line, she calls an election. Having done precisely
nothing to help those. And the manifesto is about cutting spending on
OAPs, school meals, and care for the elderly.

Her idea of the underprivileged are obviously the Rees-Moggs of this world.

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In article ,
Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
For those, incentives have to be provided. To simply cut benefits out
of hand is wrong. Unfortunately it takes a lot of time and money to
police the welfare system.

And there is the rub. The right wing who want tighter control over
benefits etc also don't want to pay for the numbers of civil servants
needed to do so. Same as they're going to find out with so called secure
borders.

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On 28/06/17 12:36, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:16:56 +0100, "Dave Plowman (News)"
wrote:


Think people are finally waking up to the point that the Tories only look
after a tiny percentage of the UK population. Despite their claims
otherwise.

If only. Too many people seemed to be taken in by Tory propaganda.

But socialists look after no one at all.


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On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:45:55 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger
in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is
tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)
Iff you have a spare room.

If you don't have a spare room you won't have to pay the 'bedroom tax' will you?

Owain

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:45:55 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger
in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is
tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)
Iff you have a spare room.

If you don't have a spare room you won't have to pay the 'bedroom tax' will you?

So? If you live in an expensive area then you may struggle without
paying "bedrooom tax".

On 28/06/2017 16:03, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:45:55 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger
in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is
tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)
Iff you have a spare room.

If you don't have a spare room you won't have to pay the 'bedroom tax' will you?

So? If you live in an expensive area then you may struggle without
paying "bedrooom tax".


So move to an area where you can afford to live... Just like the rest of us.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:12:00 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 28/06/2017 16:03, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:45:55 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger
in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is
tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)
Iff you have a spare room.

If you don't have a spare room you won't have to pay the 'bedroom tax' will you?

So? If you live in an expensive area then you may struggle without
paying "bedrooom tax".

So move to an area where you can afford to live... Just like the rest of us.

What if they need to live there to work? Do you think they would be
better moving to a cheaper area and living off benefits instead?

On 27/06/2017 17:34, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:35:10 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

I was helping my daughter with a school project last year - she was
tasked with feeding our family, healthily, on a minimal budget (I think
it was something like £25/week, 3 meals a day, 4 people). Trust me, it
is possible with careful planning.

Please share the recipes.


Yes, I'd be interested too.

Plus keeping safe, mobile, warm, dry, clothed and clean on top of fed -
all adds up.

As I've said elsewhere, research has been done explaining how this leads
to poverty and food banks. But it's tricky to get across if it's
instantly despatched as 'lies' without any explanation.

--
Cheers, Rob

On 28/06/2017 12:58, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:06:55 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 20:04, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:59:07 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nd_resignation

Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs, while the
public rely on food banks,

Nobody in this country requires a food bank.

Precisely, a bit like wine bars and theatres. A place to socialise,
and discuss the merits of own brand beans.

It really is sad that there are people as ignorant as yourself around.

People do rely on food banks, and it's a disgusting national disgrace.

They may rely on them, but they don't need them.

People DO need them. Even employed people on low wages often don't
have enough money to make ends meet. Inflation is much higher than
wage-growth for many people.


Indeed - the low paid are some of the poorest:

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org...opics/low-pay/

(in the passing hope that the NPI is at least borderline credible)

--
Cheers, Rob

On 28/06/2017 16:51, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 16:12:00 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 28/06/2017 16:03, Mark wrote:
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:12:02 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:45:55 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger
in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is
tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)
Iff you have a spare room.

If you don't have a spare room you won't have to pay the 'bedroom tax' will you?

So? If you live in an expensive area then you may struggle without
paying "bedrooom tax".

So move to an area where you can afford to live... Just like the rest of us.

What if they need to live there to work? Do you think they would be
better moving to a cheaper area and living off benefits instead?

Some of us, believe it or not, have jobs and live where we can afford to
live, and without any handouts. Welcome to the real world...

On 28/06/2017 17:04, RJH wrote:
On 28/06/2017 12:58, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:06:55 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 20:04, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:59:07 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nd_resignation


Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total
Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs, while the
public rely on food banks,

Nobody in this country requires a food bank.

Precisely, a bit like wine bars and theatres. A place to socialise,
and discuss the merits of own brand beans.

It really is sad that there are people as ignorant as yourself around.

People do rely on food banks, and it's a disgusting national disgrace.

They may rely on them, but they don't need them.

People DO need them. Even employed people on low wages often don't
have enough money to make ends meet. Inflation is much higher than
wage-growth for many people.


Indeed - the low paid are some of the poorest:

http://www.londonspovertyprofile.org...opics/low-pay/

(in the passing hope that the NPI is at least borderline credible)

Many people, even those who work very hard, cannot afford to live in
London (and many have families there etc). Why shouldn't the same rule
apply to those who live off the state?

In article ,
Mark wrote:
So move to an area where you can afford to live... Just like the rest of us.

What if they need to live there to work? Do you think they would be
better moving to a cheaper area and living off benefits instead?

It is a very real problem in many of our cities. People we *need* working
there - say firemen, nurses etc - having a very long commute to work. With
many working shift making that commute even longer. Not ideal when the
call goes out for those on days off etc to come in for an emergency.

The answer is simple and has been known for many a year. You either make
housing available that they can afford, or pay them enough to afford
available housing.

--
*Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

In article ,
RJH wrote:
On 27/06/2017 17:34, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:35:10 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

I was helping my daughter with a school project last year - she was
tasked with feeding our family, healthily, on a minimal budget (I think
it was something like £25/week, 3 meals a day, 4 people). Trust me, it
is possible with careful planning.

Please share the recipes.


Yes, I'd be interested too.

Plus keeping safe, mobile, warm, dry, clothed and clean on top of fed -
all adds up.

As I've said elsewhere, research has been done explaining how this leads
to poverty and food banks. But it's tricky to get across if it's
instantly despatched as 'lies' without any explanation.

It's like those 'personalities' who say they could easily live well on
benefits - and what's more easily find a job. Until put to the test. Love
to hear of one who succeeded.

-

--
*The modem is the message *

Dave Plowman London SW
To e-mail, change noise into sound.

"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:29:51 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Tuesday, 27 June 2017 19:48:37 UTC+1, JoeJoe wrote:
Smaller accomodation wasn't available in my locality. These "larger"
homes were merely two bedrooms, the norm in most places.
Then you need to move elsewhere because houses that you can afford are
not available in that locality. This is what the rest of us do - live
where we can afford to live.

Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger in the
spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is tax-exempt under the
Rent A Room Scheme too.)

Iff you have a spare room.

If you dont, you dont have a problem with the bedroom tax, stupid.

"Mark" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 20:06:55 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 20:04, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:59:07 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nd_resignation

Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total
Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs, while the
public rely on food banks,

Nobody in this country requires a food bank.

Precisely, a bit like wine bars and theatres. A place to socialise,
and discuss the merits of own brand beans.

It really is sad that there are people as ignorant as yourself around.

People do rely on food banks, and it's a disgusting national disgrace.

They may rely on them, but they don't need them.

People DO need them.

Don't believe that even with the illegals.

Even employed people on low wages often
don't have enough money to make ends meet.

That's bull**** on the often.

Inflation is much higher than wage-growth for many people.

More drivel.

On 28/06/2017 17:02, RJH wrote:
On 27/06/2017 17:34, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:35:10 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

I was helping my daughter with a school project last year - she was
tasked with feeding our family, healthily, on a minimal budget (I think
it was something like £25/week, 3 meals a day, 4 people). Trust me, it
is possible with careful planning.

Please share the recipes.


Yes, I'd be interested too.

I already have - look up in the thread.

On 28/06/2017 17:02, RJH wrote:
On 27/06/2017 17:34, Mark wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 13:35:10 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

I was helping my daughter with a school project last year - she was
tasked with feeding our family, healthily, on a minimal budget (I think
it was something like £25/week, 3 meals a day, 4 people). Trust me, it
is possible with careful planning.

Please share the recipes.


Yes, I'd be interested too.

Plus keeping safe, mobile, warm, dry, clothed and clean on top of fed -
all adds up.

It is not supposed to be easy (unless you have physical or mental
condition that prevents you from looking after yourself). Living on
handouts is supposed to be a temporary phase where the state helps you
to get back on your feet, not a lifestyle choice.

In article . com, bm
writes

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
. ..
In article . com, bm
wrote:

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 27/06/2017 21:14, Tim Streater wrote:

Steptoe hasn't condemned "violence of any kind". He doesn't give a ****
about what is said about him in the MSM or in Parliament. He's happy
just to pick up a mike and address 200k rich middle-class layabouts at
Glasto. And I expect you've all seen the pix of the mess they left
behind.

It was Glasto of Armed Forces Day gatherings for him to choose from...

No contest. He could bull**** Glasto more easily especially if they'll pay
~200 notes to get in.
Heaven help us if he ever becomes PM.
Actually, heaven help the following Tory guvmint.

If Corbyn gets in, there prolly wouldn't *be* a "following Tory
Gumment", or indeed any Gumment except more Steptoe. He'd act as
quickly as Adolf did in 1933, and in just the same way.

He'd soon be "acting to prevent disorder", and if that involved asking
for military help from "friendly Socialist countries" in order to
"enforce the settled will of the people", then so be it.

Quite possibly, also, that prick o'donnell is stupidly dangerous.


He is dangerous but he's no prick - that's what makes him much more
dangerous than Corbyn
--
bert

In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article . com, bm
wrote:

"Tim Streater" wrote in message
...
In article . com, bm
wrote:

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 27/06/2017 21:14, Tim Streater wrote:

Steptoe hasn't condemned "violence of any kind". He doesn't give a ****
about what is said about him in the MSM or in Parliament. He's happy
just to pick up a mike and address 200k rich middle-class layabouts at
Glasto. And I expect you've all seen the pix of the mess they left
behind.

It was Glasto of Armed Forces Day gatherings for him to choose from...

No contest. He could bull**** Glasto more easily especially if
they'll pay ~200 notes to get in.
Heaven help us if he ever becomes PM.
Actually, heaven help the following Tory guvmint.

If Corbyn gets in, there prolly wouldn't *be* a "following Tory
Gumment", or indeed any Gumment except more Steptoe. He'd act as
quickly as Adolf did in 1933, and in just the same way.

He'd soon be "acting to prevent disorder", and if that involved asking
for military help from "friendly Socialist countries" in order to
"enforce the settled will of the people", then so be it.

Quite possibly, also, that prick o'donnell is stupidly dangerous.

Nice article in the Times today by Danny the Fink. All about Steptoe.
He and his cohort simply have a different view of what constitutes
democracy.

Similar to Stalin's. After all he held democratic elections in Eastern
Europe after WW2
--
bert

In article , The Natural Philosopher
writes
On 27/06/17 23:37, Tim Streater wrote:
In article . com, bm
wrote:

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 27/06/2017 21:14, Tim Streater wrote:

Steptoe hasn't condemned "violence of any kind". He doesn't give a
****
about what is said about him in the MSM or in Parliament. He's happy
just to pick up a mike and address 200k rich middle-class layabouts at
Glasto. And I expect you've all seen the pix of the mess they left
behind.

It was Glasto of Armed Forces Day gatherings for him to choose from...

No contest. He could bull**** Glasto more easily especially if
they'll pay ~200 notes to get in.
Heaven help us if he ever becomes PM.
Actually, heaven help the following Tory guvmint.
If Corbyn gets in, there prolly wouldn't *be* a "following Tory
Gumment", or indeed any Gumment except more Steptoe. He'd act as
quickly as Adolf did in 1933, and in just the same way.
He'd soon be "acting to prevent disorder", and if that involved
asking
for military help from "friendly Socialist countries" in order to
"enforce the settled will of the people", then so be it.

Yup. Marxism is a one way street, with no U turns allowed.

People don't realise that te Socailist Revolution is supposed to
destroy existing cultures nations and in fact everything in order that
a more 'natural' 'caring' society will emerge.

Sadly wherever its been tried what emerges is a more bloody ruthless
and unfree one.

Steptoe is just another Robert Mugabe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LKR9yvJp3R8

Yup. Requisition all the expensive houses in Kensington to house the
displaced, then grab them all for him and his mates.
--
bert

In article , Mark
writes
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:37:08 +0100, Tim Streater
wrote:

In article . com, bm
wrote:

"JoeJoe" wrote in message
...
On 27/06/2017 21:14, Tim Streater wrote:

Steptoe hasn't condemned "violence of any kind". He doesn't give a ****
about what is said about him in the MSM or in Parliament. He's happy
just to pick up a mike and address 200k rich middle-class layabouts at
Glasto. And I expect you've all seen the pix of the mess they left
behind.

It was Glasto of Armed Forces Day gatherings for him to choose from...

No contest. He could bull**** Glasto more easily especially if they'll pay
~200 notes to get in.
Heaven help us if he ever becomes PM.
Actually, heaven help the following Tory guvmint.

If Corbyn gets in, there prolly wouldn't *be* a "following Tory
Gumment", or indeed any Gumment except more Steptoe. He'd act as
quickly as Adolf did in 1933, and in just the same way.

He'd soon be "acting to prevent disorder", and if that involved asking
for military help from "friendly Socialist countries" in order to
"enforce the settled will of the people", then so be it.

You have a real talent for fiction. I think a career as an author
beckons.

The socialists on here are so naive. They don't realise that they too
will end up in the firing line. Just like the Kulaks under Stalin.
--
bert

In article , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 23:18:54 +0100, bert wrote:

In article , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 19:48:29 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 19:43, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:25:35 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 03:59, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:18:22 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...estigation_and


Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is
Total Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs,

More should have voted Tory, then we wouldn't be in the position of a
small party having so much power.

But they made the stupid mess! The election was called for no reason
but to ride to victory on what they thought was a pushover. Only one
of an endless series of idiotic errors.

while the
public rely on food banks,

I don't see any true reliance with very few exceptions. Next
you will be
claiming nurses need to use foodbanks because they used their cash for
foreign travel

Don't be stupid, food banks are a fact. Food banks didn't exist under
Labour, perhaps nurses found it more cost effective to buy clothes for
trips abroad rather than beg for food?

a dysfunctional NHS and see the disabled
penalised because of they have a house with two bedrooms.

I don't see any disabled person owning their own house being penalised.
I do see some living in bigger houses than they need. What is a
shame is
the bedroom tax didn't apply to those of pensionable age who really
ought to downsize.


Should they? What sort of sick society do you want, where people are
shifted from their homes because they are deemed to have an extra
room.

You are missing one important point: this IS NOT their home. These are
usually heavily state-subsidised houses that belong to the state (local
council). They were eligible for them because they managed to prove that
they wouldn't not be able to otherwise afford such a house.

Now that they no longer require such large houses (and subsidies) they
have two choices: pay market rate for them, of find more suitable (i.e.
smaller) accommodation instead.
Smaller accomodation wasn't available in my locality. These "larger"
homes were merely two bedrooms, the norm in most places.

Then you need to move elsewhere because houses that you can afford are
not available in that locality. This is what the rest of us do - live
where we can afford to live.

What builder would put up a one bedroom house?

Living off the state (even partially), unless your are disabled or
similar, is not a God given right.
I think you will find that people living off the state may well be
disabled or unemployed.

If people are in need of help they do have a right to it.

Do they?
If people do not need help, it's a problem for the government.

Anyway the biggest drain on the welfare system is pensioners, let's
see the resident idiot at number 10 banish them to food banks.

More of your bull****. Pensioner make net contribution to the economy.

AB
But of course, silly me.

The factory gates are just swarming with pensioners at four oclock.

We have millions all ready and waiting to provide a few light bulbs at
B&Q.


To make a contribution to the economy you have to provide goods or
services.

Are you not aware of the falling birthrate problem and how it links to
pensions?


Try googling Ponzi, it may help you understand how the pension system
works.

AB

I suggest you learn a little about how a modern economy works - and I
suspect I know a lot more about the state pension system than you do.
--
bert

In article ,
writes
On Wednesday, 28 June 2017 12:45:55 UTC+1, Mark wrote:
Or, if you have to live where you can't afford to, take a lodger
in the spare room. (The first £3k approx of lodger income is
tax-exempt under the Rent A Room Scheme too.)
Iff you have a spare room.

If you don't have a spare room you won't have to pay the 'bedroom tax'
will you?

Owain

No-one "pays" a bedroom tax.
--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Mark wrote:
So move to an area where you can afford to live... Just like the rest of us.

What if they need to live there to work? Do you think they would be
better moving to a cheaper area and living off benefits instead?

It is a very real problem in many of our cities. People we *need* working
there - say firemen, nurses etc - having a very long commute to work. With
many working shift making that commute even longer. Not ideal when the
call goes out for those on days off etc to come in for an emergency.

The answer is simple and has been known for many a year. You either make
housing available that they can afford, or pay them enough to afford
available housing.

So increase council tax in the cities and introduce regional pay
bargaining in the public sector.
--
bert

In article , Archibald
Tarquin Blenkinsopp writes
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 10:25:19 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp" wrote in
message ...
On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 07:22:09 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp" wrote in
message ...
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 10:25:35 +0100, JoeJoe wrote:

On 27/06/2017 03:59, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 02:18:22 +0100, Fredxxx wrote:

On 27/06/2017 01:56, Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote:
On Tue, 27 Jun 2017 08:21:02 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:

Archibald Tarquin Blenkinsopp wrote
bm wrote
Dave Plowman (News) wrote

Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing
the DUP with getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money?
Just to keep herself in office for a few more months?

We actually had one state premier sacked for a much
less significant bribe to stay in office than that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_G...nvestigation_a


Worth every penny to keep JC out for a while.

I used to vote Conservative once, the stupidity of the party
is unbelievable. Mind you I remember what the party and
indeed the country did to Heath. It was the start of the rot
when the backboneless masses failed to support him.

Black Wednsday was a Tory thing, the current stupidity is Total
Tory.

Everyone denounces Labour as a party
of debt and financial mismanagement,

With good reason.

Really? Why?

How many billions will be wasted in bribes and exit costs,

More should have voted Tory, then we wouldn't be in the position of a
small party having so much power.

But they made the stupid mess! The election was called for no reason
but to ride to victory on what they thought was a pushover. Only one
of an endless series of idiotic errors.

while the
public rely on food banks,

I don't see any true reliance with very few exceptions. Next you will
be
claiming nurses need to use foodbanks because they used their cash
for
foreign travel

Don't be stupid, food banks are a fact. Food banks didn't exist under
Labour, perhaps nurses found it more cost effective to buy clothes for
trips abroad rather than beg for food?

a dysfunctional NHS and see the disabled
penalised because of they have a house with two bedrooms.

I don't see any disabled person owning their own house being
penalised.
I do see some living in bigger houses than they need. What is a shame
is
the bedroom tax didn't apply to those of pensionable age who really
ought to downsize.


Should they? What sort of sick society do you want, where people are
shifted from their homes because they are deemed to have an extra
room.

You are missing one important point: this IS NOT their home. These are
usually heavily state-subsidised houses that belong to the state (local
council). They were eligible for them because they managed to prove that
they wouldn't not be able to otherwise afford such a house.

Now that they no longer require such large houses (and subsidies) they
have two choices: pay market rate for them, of find more suitable (i.e.
smaller) accommodation instead.
Smaller accomodation wasn't available in my locality. These "larger"
homes were merely two bedrooms, the norm in most places.

I really don't give a damn anyway, the pathetic pittance involved only
has relevance to someone who is in dire straits anyway.

It,s simply grinding those that have nothing into the mire.

No one has nothing, they obviously have their benefits.

And there is no mire either. They are free to take in a lodger.

Could be a rapist, murderer, child molester

Statistically very unlikely. Much more likely
that the other family members are that.

Oh come now!

One nasty word to the child of the house and your favourite red top
would be spouting vitriol like there was no tomorrow.

We live in a country where relationships are either phoaor!!! or
perverse.

One incident and Murdochs rubbish would turn the public into another
Paulsgrove hate mob scouting for the blood of lodgers everywhere.


AB
You demonstrate your ignorance once more. I think you are Speed in
disguise AICMFP
--
bert

In article , Tim Streater
writes
In article , Brian Reay wrote:

On 26/06/2017 14:52, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
Wonder how all the tories on here defend Ms May bribing the DUP with
getting on for 2 billion of taxpayers money? Just to keep herself in
office for a few more months?

Of course, Our Dave wants to paint it as a "bribe to the DUP", a
typical socialist lie that tries to implant the idea that the DUP
itself gets the dosh.

Is it any different to the 'bribes' offered by (potential) governments
to the electorate?

Or any different to Labour talking to the DUP in 2010.

Unlike the SNP, the DUP have asked for a 'deal' much of which benefits
the wider UK.

I didn't and I don't see anything wrong with means testing the WFP, or
the other changes that were proposed. All of which would cost richer
people more than poorer people.

Simpler cost effective solution would be to make it taxable income -
like the rest of the state pension.
BTW, while I dread the idea of Corbyn even walking by No 10, I've no
time for May. Sadly, the Tories see to have lost their way.


--
bert

In article , "Dave Plowman (News)"
writes
In article ,
Tim Streater wrote:
Of course, Our Dave wants to paint it as a "bribe to the DUP", a
typical socialist lie that tries to implant the idea that the DUP
itself gets the dosh.

Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. You've failed - again.

Pot kettle black springs to mind.
But perhaps you actually think the individual careers of those DUP MPs
won't benefit from this bribe?

It would be a very rare politician who didn't claim he was responsible for
things like extra investment in the infrastructure, etc.

But carry on with your feeble excuses. I can just imagine you frothing at
the mouth if a similar thing happened in the EU...

It does happen in the EU - how do you think the Canadian trade deal was
passed?
--
bert